Hey You!
'Bout time you snuck in here, young lady!:mad:
When I don’t see these encyclopedic threads of yours, dontcha think I worry???
DAMMIT, these kids!!! No respect for their decrepit elders:)
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Oh, wait, so the instances being done aren’t the level 80 ones? Damn. I’ll have to try to power-level my DK. She’s at 61. . .so close. . .
Yeah, the Wednesday runs are alt characters that we’re leveling up through dungeons. The typical group range is about 62-64 right now. Two spots are reserved for the tank (Rillian) and healer (Mordrin), with the DPS spots going to whoever’s available at the time. Right now we’re pretty consistently filling the group with guildies, but if you show up on Wednesday I’m sure we’d be happy to rotate folks around.
I experienced my first tie in WSG last night. The other Horde members were playing way to defensively. I was the only person going after the flag for the first half. I grabbed the flag twice and used sprint to hurry away but I never got far enough away and died both times. Everyone else on Horde side was just dancing around killing Alliance near our base. Finally I got a couple people convinced to work on getting the flag.
The Alliance was a lot more persistent at trying to get flags, but our defense was excellent. Unfortunately, it looked like we were going to lose at the end. Someone grabbed our flag and got away. I tried to catch up to them but they made it to their base. However, one of the few others who had been going after their flag got it just as the Alliance flag carrier was coming back to his base. So with 5 minutes to go, both sides had flags.
Me and several other people rushed into the Alliance base, and went up top where the Alliance fc was. We fought a furious battle with the fc and protectors, and with less than 30 seconds to go we returned our flag to the base. We were yelling at our fc to drop down and turn in the flag for the win, but about 10 seconds later the game ended in a tie.
Our FC said he had still been in battle with the enemy and couldn’t get away fast enough cause he was rooted or stunned or whatever. That was an intense run of WSG. And I got two WSG tokens, not one. I had heard before that a tie resulted in both sides getting only one token, but I guess not.
One question. how do the battlegrounds determine who is the BG raid leader? After a couple people left the BG, I ended up with getting that I think, where when you chat in BG it shows your chats in a different color and such. Is that based on honor or how does that work?
I’ve been working towards getting 30 WSG tokens for the nice dagger reward so I’ve been running WSG a lot. Plus its a ton of fun. I have 25 tokens now.
I also switched over to questing in the barrens, and picked up the flight master in Thousand Needles so I can start questing there when I hit 25. I ran the Northwatch Hold quest and the Free from the Hold quest. They were both a lot of fun. I got into a battle against 4 soldiers during Free from the Hold that was pretty interesting. One of their casters spotted me as I was running to catch up to the guy I’m protecting, and then he walked right into a group of three soldiers.
I thought I was going to die or lose the quest from him dying, but I ended up vanishing before I died, and the caster spawn returned to where she had started from and I was able to pummel the soldiers attacking the guy and make them focus on me, and just barely finished them off.
Then when we ran through all the pirate spawns further on, they were all about -10 levels to me, so I had no trouble with that part. But running that quest at level must be pretty much impossible solo.
Do the specializations in tailoring carry on into Lich king recipes? My priest was a mooncloth tailor and I made the full set of Primal mooncloth gear at 70. Is there more recipes near 450 that are exclusive to the specialities?
That’s cool that you’ve found a nice profit source. Tailoring’s been mostly a money sink for me so far.
There are no specialty recipes anymore for tailors, -but- the 2-for-1 clothmaking of specialties still exists. As most of the recipes take a -lot- of cloth, the ones that take the specialist types are often money-makers.
This being said (and I speak from alliance-side on another server), Mooncloth seems to be the least-used of the three types. By least, I was still able to -very- quickly sell 10 pieces for 850 gold, but the others went for more. Again, different server, YMMV.
Nice snag. I’m wearing those bracers; but since I didn’t have the recipe I just collected the mats (cheap for me) and tipped someone 20g to make them. I now have about 14 pieces of Moonshroud sitting in my bags and I’m not sure what to do with them - I still go ahead a craft 2 every time my cooldown is up. Are there any new tailoring recipes that drop from ICC?
I try to put up an event on the guild calendar at least a few days ahead of time, so people can sign up in advance. After that, when we form the party we just grab whoever else is available. If you’ve got a 61 DK, you’re definitely close to our level range (my pally who tanks is 64). The last few weeks we’ve been doing two dungeons each session (they’ve been short), so even if we have more than 3 dps on the same night we can rotate folks.
We also have a bunch of 80’s who are doing Northrend heroics for badges, as well. Like Boss said, these dungeon runs are mainly our alts who are levelling through instances. My paladin has only done about three non-dungeon quests since level 20.
I think it’s the lowest priced because it is the type most commonly specialized in, so the greater supply drives down prices. Maybe I need to make some more glacial bags, those usually sell (eventually) for 500g+
However, the only actual scheduled runs we do, and the only time we consistently have all-guild groups, are the alt runs. Which makes me a bit sad, though I’m one of the bigger flakes in the guild anyway.
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Someone just needs to schedule something (and make sure everyone knows about it). I’m reluctant to take on the responsibility for a second weekly event, but I’d definitely join one if it’s a night I play. And I have a decent DPS gear set now too, so I wouldn’t even have to heal unless needed.
If we can consistantly get a 5-man heroic scheduled, it will get us closer to the goal of being able to field a regular 10-man.
No ty.
I might try and do that some time when my life becomes less crazy; not a possibility in the immediate future.
I’ve had Tailoring since around this time last year, and I never tried to power-level it, so I can’t say how much of a money sink it’s been for me. I’ve mostly made things from mats I’ve gathered myself, so it didn’t start getting expensive until I got up over 400. But even then, I just took my time with it, making things when I had the mats. Frostweave Bags stayed green for me for quite a long time, and are always profitable (though not as profitable as they used to be - the going price on my server crashed a few months ago, dropping from 60-70g down to ~40g), so I used those to skill up as far as possible. There are three lvl 80 “specialist” epic iLvl 200 robes you can learn from the trainer at 440 skill (Moonshroud Robe, Ebonweave Robe, and Spellweave Robe) that sell okay. You don’t make a huge profit if you have to buy the mats rather than make them, but you usually make your money back. Unless, of course, some knucklehead makes 5 or 6 of them at a time and posts them all at once for a stupid low price (I don’t know why somebody would do that, but they do. These robes sell, but not fast enough to justify posting more than one at a time). If you get Exalted rep with the Sons of Hodir you can learn to make the Glacial Bag, a 22-slot bag. The cost to make it is negligible if you can make both Moonshroud and Ebonweave yourself (the only other mat being 1 Eternium Thread), and the bag consistently (and quickly) sells for between 600g and 700g on my server (Lightbringer, Alliance).
Ebonweave seems to be the cheapest on my server. The AH prices on the three specialty cloths seem to remain fairly stable, with Moonshroud selling for 115-120g each, Spellweave going for ~140g, and Ebonweave hanging around 85g-100g.
Do the iLvl 264 recipes drop in ICC?
My lvl 77 belf pally made her run on the elder in SW last night at 1:00AM. I figured SW wouldn’t be too crowded at that time, and I was right. Still got killed, though, when I was just a few feet from the elder. If I’d been able to stay mounted I’d have probably survived, but as I raced through the SW Trade District some quick-thinking, high-level priest tagged me with a Shadow Word: Pain as I went by. I raced on, watching my health steadily dropping, hoping to put as much distance as possible between myself and my player-pursuers (who, once they’d entered combat, couldn’t mount up). I made it as far as the tunnel leading into The Park, where I was finally forced to dismount to cast Cleanse to get rid of the SW: Pain (I was down to less than 200 HP by that point) and a quick Lay On Hands. Then I had to run the rest of the way, and a couple lvl 80 players finally caught up to me when I was almost to the elder. I was kind of surprised when I released to find my ghost appeared at the graveyard way the hell out at the Eastvale Logging Camp, rather than Goldshire like I expected. At first I was really annoyed at how far I was going to have to run back, but then Blizzard’s probable reasoning occurred to me: Goldshire is so close to SW that it would be a piece of cake for Alliance players to kill a Horde player in SW and then run to the Goldshire GY and camp it in case the Horde player rezzed there. By rezzing at the Eastvale Logging Camp, you’d have plenty of time to get away before any campers could arrive.
Anyway, I ran back to my corpse, which was close enough to the elder that I able to move right behind the elder before rezzing, talk to him immediately to get credit, and then run like hell. I had to go on foot because guards aggro’d on me almost as soon as I rezzed, but I managed to make it all the way to the SW dock area and jump off the wall next to the big lion statue. I got out of combat long enough to mount up, then raced down the Darnassus boat dock (that is, the dock for the SW to Auberdine boat) and leapt into the water. I swam until the guards gave up pursuit, then popped a Water Walking elixir and rode down the coastline to Westfall, and got the elder at the top of the Sentinel Hill tower. Bubbled and jumped off the top (yay, I finally remembered to do that!), rode through Duskwood to Stranglethorn, grabbed the Zul’Gurub elder, flew from Grom’Gol to Booty Bay and got the elder there, then hearthed to Dal and called it a night 
Next stop: Ironforge.
Grats on the Elder trek! Speak up if you need help with any of the elders – like the ones in high level dungeons or whatever.
Isn’t there one that’s only available in Heroic Gundrak? There was last year. You may not be able to reach him at 77.
Anyway, I looked up ICC tailoring recipes and apparently you can get them as Ashen Verdict reputation awards. The sandals, which are my biggest need for upgrade, require 10 Moonshroud (which I have) and 5 Primordial Saronite (which needless to say, I don’t). 5 PS’s = 115(!) Emblems of Frost.
Looks like it’ll be quite a while before I have the mats for that. Unless my Haunted Memento sells and I can buy a couple Primal Saronites.
I cry inside everytime I see this reasoning. 
Of course they sell fast at those prices, that is below the cost of the materials , just because you farm materials yourself doesn’t mean that they are free. You have consider the opportunity cost as well. When you are leveling the profession that 100g loss per skillup is something one might be willing to put up with, but if all you’re after is a bag or gold, you’re better off selling the cloth and buying a finished bag.
Eh? I was making the Glacial Bags only to skill up (the extra 2 slots isn’t worth the money for me to equip them myself), and 600-700g seems to be the market price for them on my server. i.e. they don’t seem to sell at all if priced higher than that. I don’t think I made my first one until I was at 445, so I didn’t make more than 5 of them total. And on some things you have to take AH deposits into consideration. I can, and have, sold stacks of 20 Bolts of Frostweave for 50g+ (since I’m a Tailor/Enchanter I have bolts of Frostweave and Imbued Frostweave coming out my ears, so I sell off my excess until I need more for myself), but I noticed a stack of 20 Bolts of Frostweave has an AH deposit of 12g. I’m better off posting that stack for 39g and selling it the first time than I am posting it for 50g and having to post it three times before it sells.
Hmm, I encountered what I can only imagine must have been a eBay toon in Icecrown while doing my dailies. While I was doing the Champion jousting, there was a lvl 80 nelf DK just sitting on his deathcharger in the middle of the ring, doing nothing aside from being in the way. When I finished my jousting he followed me out of the ring and whispered to ask, “What’s the name of the instance here?” I figured he was just new to the Tournament grounds, so told him, “Tournament of Champions, I think”. Then I headed off to do my last dailies, Threat From Above and Battle Before the Citadel. I sent out an lfg, got a couple people, and then this same DK asked for an invite. Okay, so maybe he wasn’t new. I sent him an invite, and first thing in party chat he asked if he could get a summons 
… because he didn’t have a flying mount
. . . :smack:
So I said, “You need to have the quests <insert quests here> to do this …”
And he answered back, “Oh, okay, nvm then. TY” and left the party.
I assumed that is why you crafted it, but I don’t consider 100-200g per skillup"negligible", and I agree that it probably is the best way to get those last skillups, but please, don’t pretend you aren’t losing a fair amount of gold getting them.
Of course you need to consider the AH deposit when you sell stuff, no argument there, but if that forces you to drop below the materials cost you’re better off not crafting the item at all.
Yes sir, sorry sir, it won’t happen again sir. 
It was a combination of being exceedingly busy at work at home sick.
I think it’s just whoever enters first. If someone goes in as an entire premade, that group leader will probably be the BG leader; if a partial premade goes in, that group leader may be the whole BG leader or may not be (I never gave it that much thought).
Use your Northrend cloth cooldowns every time they’re up, if your Tailoring is high enough to have them yet. If you don’t want to gather the mats yourself, you can just sell your CDs to others. (If they want you to make the cloth you proc extra of, you can negotiate to either keep the extra piece of cloth as part of your fee, or charge them a hefty extra chunk for it.)
[del]But you’ll need it after the anal [Mutilate][/del] Nevermind.
I believe they’re purchasable from the Ashen Verdict quartermaster, available based on your rep.
IIRC, they moved him into normal, as well. Oh, and listen to Mogle abou the bags. I know for sure that on my server, even selling at 500g or more each, the Glacial Bags are still a loss versus the profit I could have made off of the raw mats. So keep a careful eye on that.
Oh, there’s no question that I was selling the Glacial Bags at a “loss” (on paper, anyway - they were still a net profit when taking into account my actual costs of production). Like I said, I only made them for the skillups and don’t plan to make any more unless I go crazy and decide to equip my toon and my bank slots with them But to be fair, I do pay attention to how the market is working on my server’s/faction’s AH and I keep an eye on these expensive crafted items to see how they sell and for what prices. With the Glacial Bags, pretty much every one I saw was in the 600-700g range (usually closer to the 700g mark). Occasionally somebody would post one for 800-900g or more, but you’d see the same person reposting a couple days later for 100g less, and then a couple more days later for another 100g less, and when their price would drop below 700g, boom, it would sell. That makes it pretty clear to me that the people on my server simply aren’t willing to pay more for that item. I’ve seen the same thing on some of the BS crafted items, since those are the ones I buy. There are some iLvl 264 crafted plate pants I’ve been eyeballing, and people were asking 19,000g+ for them, which was way more than I can afford. A few weeks later, the same pants are being posted at 8600g.
As the saying goes in the collectibles market (comic books, baseball cards, etc.), your stuff is only worth what somebody else is willing to pay, no matter what the price guide says.
My costs of production for Moonshroud would be a lot lower if the Horde on our server actually controlled WG once in a while, so I could farm Crystalized Life. Instead I have to buy Eternals from the AH which eat into my profits.
Or at least the profits I would have if I sold my Moonshroud instead of hording it, which is what I’ve been doing.