Again, mistaken perceived threats or misunderstandings are likely in issues like this, (BTW others besides the University president were cited, you just ignored that) just remember what took place with the MAGA students confronted by the native American that were in the news recently, almost all got the reasons and facts wrong in that event, even if video was present.
I’m still waiting for a reply to my question in post #146. Apparently, Wrenching Spanners is not a Trump supporter and Shannon of, while quoting Quicksilver’s follow up request in post #215 , dodged the question. I understand that SD is not the place to find many Trump supporters so maybe someone can link me to a rational argument that defends Trump’s daily lies? Yeah, right.
Its interesting that Spanners equates Trump supporters with professional wrestling fans. I made a similar point in some post long ago. However, I don’t see them as equivalent. There are one and the same. (Apologies in advance to any WWE fans who see it as the pure BS that it is.) The office of the President and the federal government are not there for entertainment purposes.
Oh yeah? Then how do you explain the orange clown and the accompanying daily circus?
To misquote P.T. Barnum - “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
Missed edit window - Apparently, Ivanka has created 15 million new jobs! I knew she was special but, wow!
Salon.com doesn’t seem overly certain of the Orange Commander’s honesty. In another article they explain that Trump personally, and other close friends, have large stockholder stakes in the French manufacturer of hydroxychloroquine.
I remain grateful to GOP supporters who have illuminated the partisan divide by addressing such charges in this thread. Thanks in advance.
As Aaron Rupar tweeted,
https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-ivanka-usa-jobs-employment-work-9455876
Amazing indeed.
And now its news that Trump only lied twice in a briefing. Extra! Extra! Read All About It! President is Down to Two Lies per Briefing! (Neither of which have anything to do with the alleged purpose of said briefing.)
First- my position so that you can see where I stand. I’m not necessarily a Trump supporter I’m a conservative… I support rules, policies and decisions that I think support conservatism, regardless of who the come from. I’f the Democrats will support personal responsibility and conservatism in their decision making I’ll support THEM.
I want to focus on this part of your statement / questions Is there ANY evidence that he has ever taken responsibility or even admitted ANY failure, being wrong or shortcoming?
Answer: Your premise of the question seems to be that "If he could / would just come clean and admit that he’s made mistakes and not always been right, that people such as yourself would be more understanding and accepting of him. REALLY? He knows full well that the people who dislike him are NEVER going to be more accepting and that admitting ANY faults or mistakes would only give them more ammo!
And he’s right. The best thing that he can do here is just double down. Most rational people know that the media hate him and is out to get him. They will go to all kinds of ridiculous extremes ( TDS ) to oppose EVERY SINGLE THING he does… And it makes Trump look like the more levelheaded reasonable between the two of them.
Most Democrats ALSO apposed Gay Rights & marriage the last couple of decades.
Right at 50% of the country voted for the guy but you somehow can’t understand why any of them would support him? Where have you been living… in some kind of New York urban bubble echo chamber?
You need to get out more. The vast majority of land in this country is inhabited by good people, the backbone of this great country, who picked Trump, and yet you can’t understand how that could be… Hillary had the same type of problem, and it’s looking like Biden and the rest of the Democrats do as well.
You can’t go “looking down on” and showing contempt for the very people you need support from ( at least not so that they can tell! ) and expect to win many elections.
What I want to know is HOW the Democrats, not long ago, the supporters of these “Common People” came to be in league against them and all focused on transgender bathroom stuff. Plan you a vacation to the heartland. Get out there and spend time in what ya’ll call “Flyover Country” and get to know some common, normal folks and come to understand what THEY VALUE.
Correction… the vast majority of land in this country is inhabited by NO PEOPLE. As in, unpopulated. As a result, the votes of people living in those states count more than the more popular states. That’s why more people voted for Hillary, but Trump still won.
Again, more people voted for Hillary. 3 million more people… not even close. She was and is more popular than Trump. You should never forget that he won thanks to a constitutional loophole that allows losers to claim victory. Trump will always be a loser no matter how he manages to work the refs.
I live near Atlantic City, New Jersey. No metropolis, to be sure. But even here the diversity (cultural, racial, religious etc.) is quite evident. I used to hunt in central Pennsylvania and still spend a fair amount of leisure time there. The diversity (or lack thereof) there is quite different. With the exception of south/central Americans working in agriculture, the population is almost exclusively white. I submit that people who live in this kind of Trump territory are against anything that’s different from what they know and have known exclusively for all their lives. You know - minorities, city slickers, and not least of all, liberals! To be sure, the locals I’ve come to know are essentially good people. Raised with a strong work ethic, hunters and outdoorsmen (guns!), self-sufficient and proud. BUT they are also racists to a certain extent. Generally, intolerant of people who don’t share their core values (USA! USA!, christianity and guns) or look like them. I think people fear what they don’t know and this translates in to votes for people like Trump who pander to their fears. For all their flag-waving they seem to miss that “We the people” includes everyone, not just their demographic. There is plenty of fault with both sides but it is my opinion that Rs are much less tolerant of others than Ds. BTW, I am a registered R but don’t always vote that way. Certainly not lately.
Well I’m certainly missing the point of this post. I can’t figure out what the hell you’re going on about, or how it relates to the OP. Apparently you think that I’m judging liberal partisanship based on a single poster “making the nutty statements as if all the left and liberals are like that.” For the record, I don’t think that all liberals are ideological sociopaths, just the worst ones. However, I do believe that a solid majority of liberals are emotionally overinvested in their hatred of Trump, and they’re irrationally aiming their hatred in a scattershot at all Republicans and pretty much anyone who isn’t on their liberal bandwagon. The OP wants to know why there isn’t universal condemnation of Donald Trump. Part of the issue is that people who voted for Trump because he was the Republican candidate for president are looking at the state of liberal American politics, turning up their noses at it, and staying away from that midden.
While I think we can agree to disagree on my point, your latter point about the MAGA students and the Indian were IMO (and i hate to admit this) clear media bias/problems with context.
Looking at the video out of context gave an almost diametrically opposed viewpoint than when looking at the full video without edit.
Does not compute. If they voted for DJT they are be definition horrible people. We have to act like adults. The id part of us wants things open, wants to go to movies and ballgames, wants everything as it was. The superego knows this is dangerous and wants to keep in quarantine. The trouble is you have a fool in the White House that is 100% id. His supporters are so much invested in him that his words count as gospel and require no evaluation. So when DJT says get out, they’re going to wonder why their governor isn’t groveling at his feet.
You’re wrong about the hijack. I was responding to a request from Septimus. But then you’re used to being wrong, aren’t you?
What’s the opposite of rose-coloured glasses? Crimson shades? You and all the other sufferers of Trump derangement syndrome are so devastated that you lost the 2016 election that you’re still crying about it over three years later. You’re looking at any decision or action taken by Trump or his administration and automatically hating it, because “Trump”. If you want to debate Trump’s cabinet appointments, open a new thread. But I seriously doubt you’ll be able to discuss the topic objectively because you’ll see the word “Trump”, your vision will go red, and steam will start hissing out of your ears. And people on the other side of the political divide will look at your biliousness and treat it with the disdain it deserves.
Hey Wrenching Spanners - will you please, PLEASE opine on Trump’s incessant lying? These are not “mis-statements” or “alternate facts”. They are, demonstrably, outright lies about serious issues. The big question had been, “How will Trump react in a real crisis?” We now have the predictable answer. Lying, finger pointing, denial of responsibility (while, at the same, time taking credit) and blaming the media. His is concerned about one thing - himself. He is a charlatan and a con-man and has been his whole life. You and a minority of other Americans are the marks. And easy ones, at that. Trump isn’t just 100% id. He is 100% idiot.
There’s no such thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome. It’s something Trump supporters made up so they don’t have to address criticism of Trump, similar to how news can be ignored because it’s Fake News. Trump supporters support Trump, but cannot defend Trump.
You know… morons.
Look, I spend plenty of time with my conservative inlaws in Northern New Jersey and Western Pennsylvania and listen to them talk with their conservative neighbors. And I hear what Fox News tells them because my wife throws it on in the background all day. AND even in New York City, I know plenty of Trump supporting conservatives and I read what they post online.
I stand by my opinion that by and large conservatives willfully ignore facts and data that contradicts their ideology. And I’m not even particularly progressive or liberal. I’m just sick of listening to dumb-ass conservatives backsplain how well Trump is handling the COVID-19 pandemic and their fantasies about how terribly Democrats would have done this, that and the other thing, based on their weird conspiracy fantasies.
Trump supporters support Trump because, like any good marketer, he tells people what they want to hear so they can feel good about doing what they want to do.