I’m not a Trump supporter, although I seem to be taking their side. I probably would have voted for Jeb Bush over Hillary Clinton if you’d like a different descriptor of my perspective.
I already gave my answer. Trump supporters viewed Trump the same way they viewed PT Barnum, or the same way the audience views professional wrestling. They didn’t care about the lies. They were interested in the circus and the outrageous performances.
The problem is that that they aren’t picking someone to run the Greatest Show on Earth or a reality show. They are picking someone to be the head of the largest economy in the world with the most powerful nuclear-armed military on the planet.
And the Trumps supporters I know don’t support him because they think he’s entertaining. They legitimately believe in what he’s doing and think he’s doing well at it. I wouldn’t call them “idiots”, because by any objective standard they are smart and educated (many of them are at least). But a lot of them have this weird way of looking at the world. I wouldn’t go so far as calling them “conspiracy nuts”, but it’s more like they think that everything the public sees and knows and hears on the news is total bullshit, but they have the inside scoop because they know a guy who knows a guy whose cousin does XYZ for whoever.
Rational Wiki is not a reputable cite. Noah Berlatsky is dishonestly misrepresenting what happened to Bret Weinstein.
I won’t be back to defend this point, because it’s not a matter for debate and I have better things to do, but if anyone wants to know why Berlatsky’s account of the Evergreen scandal is bullshit, I’d recommend these two videos:
If you lived in NY in the '80s, you’d know he was The Donald, not The Trump. And, he was never known as Mr. Showbiz back then, since he wasn’t in show business at all, so I don’t know where the heck you got that from.
The rest of your post seems equally out there, so I won’t bother to respond to the rest, except to say that he was never a wildly successful business man.
I will be charitable and assume you had no idea that the Trump organization was investigated by the FBI and found guilty of discrimination against blacks seeking to rent apartments on their properties. I will extend my charity further to the fact that you were unaware that Trump has declared multiple bankruptcies across multiple businesses, including casinos, hotels, airlines, product lines, etc. The list is long and does not speak well of his business abilities. Being in a charitable mood, I will again assume that you did not know that Trump has a long history of screwing over contractors by not paying them, to the point where he had trouble finding companies who would be willing to work with him. He was black listed by banks who would not lend money to him because he screwed them over as well. Trump’s charitable foundations were shut down because they were found to be fraudulent. As was Trump University.
I’m sure that you had no idea about any of this. But you are welcome to do your own research and come back to share with us whether this changes your mind in any way about Trump’s abilities to run his own business.
You’re free to disagree. You’re not entitled to your own set of facts. That you cling to a single news source that informs your ‘alternative facts’ in the face of evidence to the contrary says more about you than the MSM you call “a hoax”.
He was a known liar and failure before he took office. He revealed himself to be a pathological liar and bigot while running for office. He continues to show himself to be a pathological liar, bigot and intellectually/mentally unfit for the office. Furthermore, he has put the country in far deeper debt while serving to profit himself at the cost to all tax payers. The flyover guys have not benefited in any way, despite what they want to believe.
This is a profoundly false narrative that you are fed by your steady diet of Fox & other right wing news sources. Trump has done more damage to this country than any single president in our lifetime. When all is said and done, he may well be the worst president in the history of this nation. The greatest reveal by far is how willingly ~63M joined the MAGACult because Trump has appealed to their most base instincts of ignorance, fear and bigotry. And they willingly continue to consume a steady diet of delusional lies. That Trump has the slightest interest in looking out for anybody but his own narcissistic self interests is more self-delusion on your part.
If you think I’m wrong, prove me wrong. Provide evidence that shows how Trump has made American lives demonstrably better. Not how he’s made you feel by appealing to your common moral values or self-esteem. How are American lives materially better because of specific policies implemented by the Trump administration to date?
Thanks for sharing, that is the version of events that i have believed and is the bat shit crazy/scary ultra progressive wing that works to push any moderates out of the party.
I don’t know why you’re going down this tangent, but Asahi’s statement deserved to be called out and ridiculed. Here it is again:
You’re effectively saying I should just ignore it because it’s eccentric, or doesn’t represent mainstream left thinking. Why should I?
More to the point, while Asahi’s statement might be, ahem, unique, I do believe that liberal animosity towards Trump supporters frequently crosses the line into hostility. Here’s a thread full of people ending friendships because of the level of their animosity. https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=872570 That animosity is less straightforward when it comes to the subject of rural voters, although not by much. Here’s a thread with several anti-rural comments. https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=872638 The prize-winner: “This is the harsh reality, the abortion thing is to make themselves feel important because they really don’t contribute much to this country. These people aren’t farmers, America’s bread basket is owned by a few millionaires and billionaires now. Everybody else is just getting by and spreading ignorance while the rest of us pay to support their mismanaged states.” I’ve cherry-picked the worst, but it’s one of at least a half-dozen that are dismissive of rural voters. So no, it’s not just one individual, and yes, there genuinely is rancour from the left, as represented by the SDMB, directed at both Trump supporters and rural voters. Asahi’s message may be a harsh outlier, but it represents actual sentiments of the left. Does everyone on the left have those sentiments? No. But I believe there’s enough of that sentiment present that it’s visible to the general public and fosters partisanship.
Feel free to hang on to whatever slight helps you justify your dislike of democrats, progressives or liberals of whichever stripe.
Unlike many right wing policies, these wrong sentiments expressed by angry left-wing nuts are not part of any progressive policy, nor is there any reason to think they will be.
Wait a second here… Perry is most known not for calling for DoE to be abolished, but for forgetting in a debate that it was an agency he wanted abolished. This was the moment of stupidity that effectively ended his primary bid. It’s hard to imagine a more glaring disqualification.
You misspelled “zero political experience”. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Not “light”. Unless you’re thinking of his joke of a presidential bid where he got curbstomped for snoozing through debates.
An award for doctoring from a media outlet. Wow. No wonder he’s done absolutely nothing in his tenure in Trump’s cabinet.
You literally started a highjack about Trump’s 2 least qualified cabinet appointments, you deceptively fluffed their credentials, and then you pretend we’re the irrational ones. You should cringe in shame and hide under a rock somewhere, this is a pathetic performance.
Blame me for the DeVos-Perry hijack. I was trying to list some of the most egregious or criminal conduct by Trump and see if right-wingers had a worthy opinion, or were even aware of his crimes and incompetence.
But I’m afraid they’ll have a glib answer for everything. And at the end of the day they’ll accept a lot of buffoonery from Trump if they get their anti-voter judges, their tax cuts for the rich, their Wall, and so on.
Full stop, besides showing all that you miss the point spectacularly, of course it was a statement that deserved to be ridiculed; read it again. You missed that I did agree with that by talking about a nitpick, you then are going on by blissfully ignoring that your tangent was a fallacy, the rancour you see is just bias confirmation as you pointed at one nutty statement of one that is criticized strongly (even by me in more that one occasion).
Those arent the Political leaders, just some students.
Youtube is even a worse cite to use.
BTW what you claim as not being a reputable source is like reporting that Wikepedia is not also, it is not Rational wiki or Wikipedia what one has to look for, but the cites and sources they link to.
Problem is that is using the very same unreliable narrator the right wing has been using.
It is interesting to me that in controversial items like this that it usually gets the ones that were misled by conservative or corporate media to shoot the messenger. Instead of them demanding better from the ones that gave them the info who were not as sincere, accurate or maintained a reasonable perspective about an issue.
What’s wrong? Are you no longer amused?
Bret Weinstein is about as far left is I find comfortable and in no way would he be considered conservative (unless you interview some of the Evergreen snowflake trans protesters i guess).
The youtube videos listed are interviews with Bret and his own words so I find your comment confusing.
That one can be an unreliable narrator has nothing to do with his or her ideology.
The cites I made come from the other academics and students involved in the issue, point being that just following one testimony and the spin the right wing put on it is not a good way to then follow with just “belief” as a way of finding the truth.
I do understand and consider your point valid, however I would posit that Bret is one of the most credible testimonies (along with his wife who was a teacher there as well) and his recalling of the particulars and opinions on the event itself are - IMO - in no way right of center.
At the end of the day, the videos make pretty clear what happened there and it was about as ultra left, Antifa-esque and militant as it gets. That is the arm that - IMO - makes the democratic party look unappealing to moderates like me.
Just because Bret Weinstein’s view is critical of the way those delusional snowflakes (and the University President) acted does not make him anywhere near right of center.
Yeah, linking to a youtube as a cite, except for something like a speech or news conference is worthless.