Would Build Back Better have a better chance if broken into components?

Honestly, even if you assumed zero cynical political calculations on the part of the GOP, they don’t support the vast majority of BBB whether you call it infrastructure or not.

The BBB deal that Manchin just rejected had $500M spending on combating climate change and about $1B on social services. Thats the vast majority of the spending in the bill. And then there’s raising the SALT cap which amounts to a tax cut for mostly blue districts in blue states, AND it’s all paid for by getting rid of a lot of the tax cuts Republicans wanted.

I guess you could call a version of that that 10 GOP senators could support a “pared down” version but it would be like turning the Ship of Theseus into a rubber ducky.

I don’t agree with what Manchin did but regardless of this there are many other people who voted against it and Biden has the task of persuading someone else to vote in favour. Or coming up with a new bill which can pass the House and Senate before midterms.

To be more accurate, Build Back Better wouldn’t have moved the needle on climate change. Electric car subsidies? Car makers are already selling them as fast as they can, and the extra subsidy for union shops would have made wait lists worse by cutting off major EV makers like Tesla.

National charging network? That’s already being built out by multiple private entities without taxpayer dollars, and from what I understand BBB didn’t have money for level 3 chargers, which are much more expensive than level 2. But level 3 is what consumers will demand. The government could have been building an obsolete network.

The ‘climate corps’ going around weatherstripping houses? See how well that worked the first time when Obama tried it. They blew through over a hundred million dollars and I don’t think a single house was improved. They could 't find people willing to be trained to do the work, and they couldn’t find homeowners willing to pay for it, even with a huge subsidy.

The subsidies for rooftop solar are not necessary as states already have subsidies and rooftop solar is growing rapidly. A federal subsidy is a bad idea because states vary dramatically in solar feasibility. You don’t want to incentivize rooftop solar in Washington or Alaska, because it sucks there. And you don’t need to subsidize it in Arizona and Texas, because it’s already profitable.

Also, government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers The idea I thought everyone agreed with was to simply raise carbon taxes and let the market sort out the transition. Rooftop solar may be a bad national choice. Besides, it’s not the solution and will max out long before it makes a large contribution. Push it too hard and you wind up being like Germany, which makes more than 100% of their power from wind and solar on windy, sunny days, but has an increasing carbon footprint and needs a gas pipeline to Russia because the power just isn’t there when they need it.

These are just cash payouts to constituents and special interests under the guise of climate. And even if they all worked as promised they wouldn’t move the needle much. The U.S. in total only produces 11% of the world’s greenhouse gases. If you could somehow cut greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S. by 50%, it would amount to maybe a couple of years of growth in Chinese emissions. And this bill wouldn’t cut greenhouse emissions by anywhere near that much, if any at all.

China produces more greenhouse gases than all the rest of the planet combined, and they are building new coal plants at a furious rate. Everything that makes U.S. energy more expensive enables China to emit more, and gives them a comparative advantage in manufacturing, which will push more energy consumption to China.

The nuclear funding would have helped, but it’s not much. And the real problem facing nuclear is regulatory and the Biden administration has done nothing about that.

As for these giant omnibus bills - they are bad policy in general. They are too large for Congress to manage, so they wind up under the control of the unelected bureaucracy. They have too many special-interest derived programs and payouts. They allow politicians to duck on failed programs, because they will claim to have voted for the bill for reasons other than the failed stuff, so there is no accountability. That’s why they are popular with politicians, but should be opposed by the people. Make the clowns in Washington vote for every major program separately so they can’t hide behind the ‘good’ stuff when the bad stuff they voted for fails.

And since they behave like children (both parties), I’d love to make them have to pass an exam showing they understand what’s in a bill before they vote on it. And make the scores public. These bills are driven by lobbyists and signed by politicians who don’t even know what’s in them.

Once upon a time an infrastructure bill was something that could pass by a wide bipartisan vote. And the vote on the “hard infrastructure” bill was more-or-less bipartisan in the Senate (where it passed on a 69-30 vote with 19 Republicans and all 50 Democrats in support). But in the House, only 13 out of 213 Republicans supported the bill. Most of them didn’t even pretend to be opposed to anything that was in the bill itself, but explicitly voted against it because it would be a “win” for Biden. And gems like Madison Cawthorn and MTG have promised to support primary challengers for those 13 Republican “aye” votes.

True, but consider…they knew it was going to pass. The 13 had already committed to vote for it, so it was a forgone conclusion. The rest? It was a have your cake and eat it too moment…IMHO anyway. Knowing it would pass, they could safely oppose it just to spite Biden…and get votes for that.

That is what bipartisan parties are in the US today. And don’t forget, this whole thing was being held up from even the vote because Progressives were holding it like a club over the holdouts so they would vote for what we are discussing in this thread. Even within a major party this sort of silly political crap is happening these days.

Their vote against it could be an issue in future elections–Representative X voted against this infrastructure bill which funded the construction of new Highway Y.

True, though there are all sorts of unknowns there. Will this program be successful, and more importantly perceived as successful by the public? Will there be a lot of waste and extra pork? Will it be associated with the Democrats and will it be a focus for future Republican/Democrat strife?

The fact that it passed will probably be enough alone to make it less of a target in a future election among Republicans, but you are right, it might be used against those who voted against it especially in states where it’s popular.

The calculation that these House Republicans made – and it’s probably the correct one – is that the latest round of redistricting has entrenched the partisan lean of the vast majority of House district such that they’re functionally non-competitive in the general election. Their biggest challenge to reelection is in their primaries, where the biggest risk they face is an opponent to their right. Voting for the infrastructure bill (which Trump trashed as a gift to Biden) is much more likely to hurt them in a primary than bringing sewer improvement grants to their district would benefit them.

Since you can’t gerrymander states, the same logic isn’t as pervasive in the Senate.