Would Cell Phones Work on Flights?

First, I’m opposed to it. Air travel’s bad enough without having to listen to other people’s phone conversations.

However - would cell phones really work during air flights? You could reach a cell tower on the ground, but could the cell phone system keep switching your connection from tower to tower as you move along?

When you drive or even walk around, the cellular system has some rather complicated software that determines when you’re moving from the coverage range of one tower into another, and then seamlessly performs the switch over.

But for air travel, at maybe 10 times the speed, you’d need to switch cells quite frequently - I wonder if the network could keep up with this rapid hopping. And what would be the effect of a whole lot of users all switching rapidly like that?

I do recall that during the 9/11 attack some passengers on a plane were able to get some calls made.

I’ve worked in the telecom business, but this is all a bit out of my wheelhouse.

Would it work on a large scale? (I hope not)

The airlines would provide an on-board cell system. Just like they do with Internet.

But I’ve been hearing the government (the FAA?) has already granted airlines permission to allow use of cell phones in-flight.

AFAIK- Airlines have not installed cell communications on board, so if one did allow it now it would presumably be with ground-based cell towers. So far no airline has told passengers they can use their cell phones in-flight, and I am not hearing they are just waiting for equipment to be installed.

As a side note, any on-board system would likely have to support multiple carriers, which is a bit more complicated than just dealing with a single ISP for internet connectivity.

The cellular system was not designed to handle signals from great distances or which need rapid and repeated switching. If you are not flying too high or too fast, yes, they work, but most air travel isn’t that low or that slow.

The solution is to provide a “picocell” within the airplane that all passengers can connect to, much like the intra-plane Internet connections now being offered. In both cases, the signals are conglomerated and transmitted to the ground and/or by way of satellite by equipment designed exactly for that purpose.

How about going to the source?

https://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-devices-airplanes

Cell phone towers use directional antennas. They focus most of their transmitting and receiving energy in the horizontal direction, like this image shows:

Generally speaking, cell phones will usually work at an altitude below 5,000 feet or so. Once you get above that, you get a weaker and weaker connection to the cell towers, drastically reducing your chance of a successful connection. It’s almost impossible to get a decent connection once you get above 10,000 feet. You might get lucky and get a good signal bounce or catch an antenna sidelobe, but the chances of your cell phone connecting at those altitudes is pretty small.

IIRC, all of the 9/11 calls were made at an altitude below 5,000 feet.

In the early days of cell phones, an airborne cell phone used to wreak havoc on cell phone systems. As I understand it, the biggest problem was more that the phones were connecting to multiple systems simultaneously, not that it was connecting to multiple towers or that it was moving fast and switching rapidly between towers. Since cell phone users are a generally obnoxious bunch (it often seems like the best way to guarantee that someone will use a cell phone in a particular area is to hang a sign there saying that cell phone use there is prohibited), the cell phone companies just had to cope with the problems, and they ironed out all of the problems and redesigned the systems so that they could handle an airborne phone without any problems. An airborne cell phone hasn’t been a major worry for cell systems in a very long time.

The FCC doesn’t like airborne cell phones because they tie up resources in multiple towers simultaneously, reducing the overall bandwidth available for other users. The FCC ban on cell phones cites this as a reason, and also cites the FAA’s concern for the potential for interference with aircraft systems. Despite what some folks say, cell phones really can cause interference to aircraft systems, though since modern planes are designed with potential interference from cell phones in mind, the chances if a cell phone causing an actual problem are fairly rare.

Cell phones these days will vary their transmitting power in order to save battery life. If they are talking to a tower some distance away, they will crank up their transmitting power so that the remote tower can hear their signal. If they are talking to a tower that is close and can easily hear them, they’ll drop their transmitting power to save battery life. Some airlines are experimenting with picocells, as was already mentioned, since not only does this allow the airplane to provide service to passengers who want it, but it also drastically reduces interference from cell phones since all of the phones on the plane will reduce their transmitting power.

I pretty much always leave mine on when I’m in private planes, and my experience matches what engineer_comp_geek says. At around 5 or 10 thousand feet, it stops working. I don’t watch it obsessively but I’ve seen no evidence of even intermittent connectivity (e.g. SMS coming through, etc.) at altitude over North America at least.

I’m sure I read that on 9/11 people were phoning loved ones from one of the planes and were being told their plane had been high jacked. Was there any truth in that?

Mobiles at altitude from 911myths.com.

It should also be noted that the hijacked planes were equipped with GTE Airfones. Apparently many calls were from GTE Airfones, although some cell phone calls did get through.

One thing’s for sure - If the airlines do make it possible, they will charge for it. Just watch for the complaints about the stupendous cost of downloading data at 20,000 feet. Someone here got charged £2,500 for downloading a film in Greece or somewhere.

To be brief…

It’s not that hard to set up a pico cell, I had to do it as the building we were in had horrible service. However, there is an actual user limit to them. The cost is actually not that high, I think it was about $10k for one that supported all carriers. However, that is for the “box” itself.

Something to keep in mind is that almost all cell phones are IP based now. In fact, all the services are, SMS, voice, data, its all IP. It’s kinda a scam that they charge extra for texting, etc. So, in reality, all you need after the pico cell is a reliable data connection to the ground. The “calls” will get handled as they normally would. That’s how they do it now.

That data connection is going to be the expensive part. SATCOM would be the easier and more reliable way as you’d be under the foot print of one, maybe two, satellites as you cross the US. But, there is going to be a roundtrip delay of 250ms I’d imagine and you’d need the sustained data rate to handle how many calls you think you need to have plus whatever data service the plane would provide. This would cost a premium and you’d be roaming on the pci cell at quite a bit extra.

I’d suggest the use of Skype or something instead on a plane that has WiFi.

I don’t think this is accurate. LTE, for instance, allows for VOIP calls, but most carriers haven’t implemented it. I believe the older services such as GSM, CDMA, and WCDMA had separate protocols for voice. Those services are still very much in use today.
*Although I designed cell phones for 10 years, I didn’t deal with the radio side very often.