If you were a doctor, would you abort a fetus at 8 months if you knew it would die? If not, why not? If yes… :eek:
If they can change the legal definition of “murder” to include non-human animals, sure. But that’s not a very good analogy, since a fetus clearly does become a human at some point, but an non-human animal never does.
If you think killing 2 year olds with Down Syndrome is murder, then don’t kill any of them.
The point right now varies by state. Some use viability, some use trimesters, most use weeks. Some ban abortion after viability, some mandate that abortions after viability be performed by medical doctors. Some requires doctors to perform tests for viability, some just require two doctors to certify viability. It’s all over the map. Any generalization about abortion laws in the US is useless and bound to be inaccurate.
It’s an interesting thought. I would assume there would be an increase in babies available for adoption, but I don’t think it would be a huge increase - nowhere near the numbers that are currently aborted.
I guess it comes down to what sort of people are aborting?
I’m just thinking of myself and friends who I know have aborted. Married or in long-term relationships, financially stable, etc. but for a variety of reasons (inclination, medication, mental health, genetic issues, timing) have pulled the plug. So, there’s a happily married couple who own their home and are financially stable. Perfect timing to start a family. But for whatever reason, they don’t want to. Right now she can abort and nobody is the wiser. But would a couple in that situation adopt their child out? Or would they suck it up and keep the child? I’m thinking that it is completely socially unacceptable to be in that situation, carry a pregnancy publically for 9 months, then sign the child away to another couple. I can imagine the horror and outrage from family members. From friends. Lots of disapproval. It’s like the coin has flipped and the shaming that was once brought upon unmarried girls for being pregnant would instead be levelled at those who society thought were capable of raising the child but instead gave it away. Interesting thought experiment from my perspective.
In actual reality, since we’re all financially stable, we’d source an abortion from elsewhere if they were illegal where we currently were. So, I guess instead of thinking about who & how many people currently get abortions, it would make more sense to think about who would be forced to continue a pregnancy - and if they’d be more likely to keep the resultant child, adopt it out, etc.
I think it’s human nature to be more positive with things that you chose than things that were forced upon you (be it abortion, adoption or parenting). And while forced abortion and forced adoption are horrific, I think there just might be a special level of horror for the child of forced parenting, if the parents weren’t good actors, or didn’t have a change of heart 
I had 2 miscarriages in the early stages and, I spent 10 days in the hospital with my feet elevated, the tests were positive but finally the doctor ( who was not for abortions) and I wanted the baby, she showed me the miscarriage and it wasn’t anything like a baby. My sister carried a dead fetus for 6 months, it had turned to stone and she almost died. she wanted a child so badly. she said her doctor asked if they could keep the fetus for medical purposes. It depends a great deal on each pregnancy. It should be up to the woman if she wants to risk her life or not.
I still contend that if a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant it should be her choice to take precautions by the morning after pill, or other methods or birth control. All children deserved to be loved and cared for properly. A woman who is forced to bear a child against her will would not be a good parent. I know one who had several children she didn’t want, abused them and even told them they were not wanted. They had emotional problems all their lives. She believed Birth Control was sinful but apparently didn’t think abuse was a sin!
A good parent wants to give it’s child love, and care, not consider a child a burden. It should be left to the privacy of one’s own home not ruled by some religious belief or others. Only the woman knows what she can bear, and it should be left up to her and her doctor.
Yes, and add it is a fallacious argument at many levels.
A: Murder is a legal term with a specific definition
B: Since the definition of murder includes the illegal homicide of one human being by another; abortion in Canada or the USA cannot be murder.
C: To use the term ‘murder’ is playing the equivocation fallacy, backed up by the appeal to emotion fallacy.
Some fetuses may develop to the point they are birthed and become a neonate, but nobody can simply state that all fetuses will become a baby.
The majority of conceptions end up in miscarriage; not offspring.
IMO the bottom line is; can the fetus live outside of the female?
If the zygote to fetus cannot exists outside of the female body, she is in no way responsible to carry it to term if she chooses not to.
In no rational sense can anybody argue that other females must be used as brood mares for those that cannot or do not want to birth children.
The decision to carry to term, to abort, or carry to term to adopt resides only with the pregnant female; no other person has any legal right. The father for example is not legally known no matter who ‘claims’ the father is. The only way to know is invasive testing, which consent must be given by the pregnant female after 11 weeks of pregnancy.