Of course, if not racism, then it is just the musings of cranks.
Hey, I’m easy, like Coulter and O’reilly and Beck* and… 
And now I’ve really got to go. Later.
I asked a similar question in another thread, but that one seems to have dried up, so I’ll ask again here.
What proof would either of you accept as irrefutable? Is there anyone whose testimony you would believe about Obama’s birth certificate, or must you see it with your own eyes? Would you like to touch it, inhale the musty smell of a decades-old document? Do you have the skills to detect a forgery, analyze the paper and ink, run it through an electron microscope, perhaps? And if, hypothetically, you did all this and were convinced it was genuine, would you expect anyone to take your word for it; or must we hand it over to the thousands who would want to examine it for themselves?
What proof would you accept?
I’d like to see copies of it made publicly available. And my acceptance of it would depend upon whatever is determined by scrutiny of it.
What makes you think they don’t exist? Most of them are dead. It was 50 years ago, after all, but you would just call them liars anyway, so what’;s the point.
yes you are. You are repeatedly asserting things that are not true.
Why should anybody’s original birth certificate be publicly available. Name a single state where you can walk in and see somebody else’s original birth certificate.
No there aren’t. Your questions have been answered.
Thjis is more of that bullshit I’m talking about. You can’t see ANYBODY’S origibnal borth certificate without a good reason. It’s stae klaw, There is no special rule for Obama.
No, it’s absolutely race. This ridiculous conspiracy theory would never exist if he was white.
I have to say, I’ve lost some respect for you from this thread. I knew I disagreed with you a lot, but I never thought you were this much of an irrational wing nut. I’m disappointed.
Once again, one just needs to change the law to make them available to the public, of course if most people think this is a moot issue or that only cranks entertain it, then good luck on changing the laws that were put there for very good reasons.
Copies of it are already publicly available. That’s what the computer generated birth certificate is.
Even if you saw a photocopy of the original document, you would just say it was fake, so what’s the point?
Good choice of words, Robot Arm.
Champion-of-“Truth” doesn’t expect anyone to take the word of the President of the United States, so why should he expect us to take his word or the word of anyone else?
Made publicly available in what form? Would an image on the internet satisfy you, or would you need a physical, first-generation photocopy? And how would you know that copy came from the real certificate in the hall of records in Hawaii (or wherever it’s kept)? It seems to me you’d still have to rely on the credibility of someone who was there, and personally witnessed the copying process. How do we know you wouldn’t start asking questions about his bias?
And who’s going to scrutinize these copies after they’re available? Must it be absolutely unanimous? If some crank somewhere says “the serif on this lower-case ‘m’ indicates a typeface that wasn’t in use on state-approved typewriters until 1964!”, how do we know you won’t use that as the basis for “these are legitimate questions that ought to be investigated. What is he trying to hide?”
Then your disappointment is misplaced. All I’m doing is posing questions based upon what I believe is the stance of the people you refer to as birthers. As I said upthread, a person can understand the thinking of other people on issues without necessarily holding that same view themselves. I, personally, have no particular dog in this fight. I’m just playing devil’s advocate.
And if you’ve lost respect for me, how am I to know? As far as I can know you’ve never been all that much of a fan in the first place.
But if Johnny L.A.'s information is correct, it is incomplete. The question is, why can’t we see the document is was derived from?
Not necessarily. Like I said, it would depend upon what scrutiny of it revealed. You are assuming I’m a so-called truther, and I’m not. The difference is number one, I’m not asserting that Obama’s citizenship is false; and number two, I’m not all that interested in the issue to begin with. Whatever transpires through our legal system is fine with me. But I will say people have every right to be suspicious, just like you had every right to be suspicious of Bush. You believe things about him that remain unproven to this day, and truthers believe things about Obama that remain unproven to this day. What’s the difference?
And I know I’ve said this before…twice…but I really do have to go.
Diogenes blows his cool when he squeals like a stuck pig:
ROTFLMAO! Oh dear God, and Ann Coulter think’s SHE’S good and giving liberals hissy fits? I’m sending her this one! LMAO!
A COLB is not a long form birth certificate, you nitwit. Here, let me school your stupid ass once more before I go to bed. A COLB (ie what Obama “released” and what Factcheck “examined”) is known as a Certification of Live Birth. It certifies that a birth was registered. It does not state the hospital or place of birth, the attending physician’s name, etc. A long form birth certificate, also known as a Certificate of Birth (note the similar though different name) contains the name of the attending doctor, the time of birth, the place of birth (hospital name), etc.
Those are two entirely different documents, and until 2009 or 2010, Hawaii did not accept the COLB short form for certain purposes, as it was not considered complete enough compared to the long form certificate. They scrubbed their site of this information change due to the controversy. It was recorded on several news sites, including WND.
Already answered this, dumbfuck. Take a reading comprehension course or something.
And yet you’re the one who misspelled “stupid”, stupid. :rolleyes:
Here you go, you brainless, illiterate fuck. Try reading it. If you’re too stupid, there’s a nice picture there of his actual school papers from Indonesia showing he was registered as Barry Soetoro, a Muslim. It was taken from the Associated Press. Or are they a right wing-nut group too? This is not in dispute, you simpleton! Here are some other sources:
http://www.cc.org/blog/breaking_obama_papers_leaking_out_birth_placeschool_records_exposed
Here’s one with an even clearer picture for you, dipshit:
Even the much-vaunted liberal-loved Snopes.com admits he was an Indonesian student at a Muslim school (though they tip toe around the Muslim issue):
Here’s some more fact for you to chew on:
No matter how you cut it, he was registered in an Indonesian school as a Muslim under the name Barry Soetoro. End of story.
How does it feel, being so ignorant and stupid?
That is far from proven, by any means. Obama has sealed his passport papers, so we have no way of knowing what name he traveled under…Barry Soetoro or Barrack Obama. It is also uncertain whether he was actually adopted or not. This is precisely why this needs to be investigated. Nobody knows anything about this president for sure, and there’s a lot of strange stuff going on.
Wow, you can’t even spell “fucking” correctly. I must have riled your ass up something awful! 
Here, read this:
Cite: The Right News: BREAKING! Obama Papers Leaking Out! Birth Papers-School Papers Exposed!
Emphasis mine.
Still gonna cling to your frothing-mouthed stupidity?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402118/pg1
http://www.dirkbradshaw.com/?p=837
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/17601
I can do this all night, you drooling retard. She said it, end of story.
Yeah, I expected that would be the best you could come up with.
No go run along and educate yourself on these issues, you pathetic, ignorant simpleton!
I’m off to bed. If I school Diogenes any further tonight, he’s gonna pop an aneurysm and keel over dead at his keyboard. Not that that would be a bad thing, but it’s far more fun to read his misspelled, improperly formatted, mouth0foaming rants of ignorance. He may be the stupidest, most ignorant person here, and that’s saying a lot! :eek:
Are you quite sure you want to abide by the precedent that a poster’s stability or credibility is indicated by their spelling ability?
It is saying a lot. I didn’t think anyone would be able to hold a candle to you.
You don’t have to keep saying this. No one will think you’ve capitulated if you don’t post for a while.
It already transpired through the legal system, the birthers lost all their cases.
PDF file of the score card of the cases, all birther cases were lost or dismissed.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pdf
I posed a few questions to you in post #123; would appreciate an answer when you get back in the morning.
Nah, they don’t tip toe, they call the allegations false.
And I already posted that too, yet more direct evidence that you either have trouble reading, or you are still demonstrating what a fool you are in attempting to mislead others on what the cites actually say.
Not the same Snopes article though, but it does reference it, the one I posted already explains in more detail why the allegations regarding Obama’s eligibility being affected for his schooling in Indonesia are still false. So I will stick still to the point that it is a misleading effort to say that Snopes tip toed around the issue.