Several thousand years of history isn’t a good enough example for the OP?
Okay, sure, there were illegitmate children. But babies also died by the cartload. Surely the latter losses outnumber the prior gains, if only because the fetal mortality was so staggeringly high.
Seriously. Every good christan family I know manages to have five or more kids nowadays - sometimes, much more. In what way does this risk diving below replacement rate?
Tell the truth- you’ve used that as a pickup line haven’t you?
Our own CMKeller has posted how his child (ken a hurra) wa conceived immediately after his wife came back from the mikvah.
Further, Orthodox Judaism speaks VERY positively of sex. There are whole schools of erotic Hebrew poetry. The Talmud requires a man to have sex with his wife on a basis determined by his profession. My own mother tells how the rabbi gave a talk to the two of them just before performing the wedding ‘When she wants it, how she wants it, whenever she wants it’.
I often use this quote from Boychiks In The Hood- Travels In The Hasidic Underground, when asked about sex a rabbi responds “Our business is to give our wives pleasure!”
The talmud says that all sex must take place in marriage, and that ejaculation must take place in the vagina. However, it’s clear that if the wife enjoys having her vagina licked for hours on end, then it is the husband’s happy duty to oblige.
RE Onan
As has been said, Onan’s crime was selfishness and disobedience to G-d. He not only denied the woman an heir, he schemed to get all the pleasure of having sex with her first. Had Onan just said “No, I won’t do it.” IMO he would have lived. Look at all the prophets who disobey and say no when told of their mission. Jonah has to spend three days in a whale before he changes his mind. Onan, OTOH, reveals himself as a scheming, selfish bastard who cares only about himself.
It would be helpful if you specified what you mean by “like the bible says you’re supposed to”.
I will take that to mean that you must be truly remorseful for breaking the 10 commandments of the Jewish and Christian religions.
And the evidence for extinction of those peoples can be easily found.
Looking at the birth and mortality rates of original Caucasian stock in European countries Zero population growth was achieved 10’s of years ago and has been continuously negative since. Those peoples are most assuredly going extinct today.
I would also guess that DINK’s (double income no kids) who are predominately on the far left are also going extinct in America. I believe the evidence for this claim can be found here List of U.S. states and territories by population - Wikipedia
and here http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-8.pdf
Er, DINKism is not a genetic trait so it can’t “go extinct”. There have always been and always will be childless married couples in the population.
Until somehow, by some unknowable incalcuable combination of nature and nurture, the people who reproduce will have both the genes and the cultural values to both reproduce and pass on those traits (biological and cultural) to their offspring, and those who don’t will have few or no descendents. That’s the thing about selection- it can’t NOT be true.
Shakes, dude, please read the Bible before commenting on it. You will be incredibly shocked about what is in it and what is not in it. Do you know the words ‘fuck’ or ‘shit’ never appear once in the Bible? Do you know that prostitution was considered a normal state of affairs for much of the Bible? Did you know that Onan’s sin was not masturbation, but was the fact that he wouldn’t have sex with his brother’s wife after his brother died?
Dude!!! Read The Book! Then post.
Yes, I’m posting after drinking…
Yep, far left liberal marxists in America are going extinct. It can’t NOT be true.
And the conservatives will continue to produce baby conservatives.
But in the meantime the pocket book voting independents will awaken from their somnolence and make it right again or remain asleep and allow everything to get screwed up.
I’m strongly tempted to violate one of the SDMB rules, here, in response to this poster…
Go for it.
Experience Freedom first hand and maybe for you for the first time!
Escape from the group think of the doper planet!
You will gain everything and lose nothing (coming back under a different user name, faceless among the masses that is the doper planet, is accepted practice among the unprincipled.
focus, would you respect someone expressing freedom, even if they did so by describing ideas that disagreed with your own?
Sure.
Further elucidation is not on the point of this thread.
I love Canada. I worked in oil refineries in Montreal and Alberta. I also worked in New Zealand and Korea. So new ideas was what it was all about.
Thanks for asking, You may start a pit thread or another debate or contact me privately. Your choice.
I could be wrong, but as far as I know the Roman Catholic church is the only major Christian denomination that has a problem with birth control; and even that, while the “official” policy, is more or less ignored in most of the world.
But yes, if you had to be married to have sex, a lot more people would be getting married, and sooner. The Apostle Paul even said, although he recommended singlehood, that “it is better to marry than to burn (with lust).” The human race would be just fine.
Based on this logic, non-reproducing individuals could never have come to exist, because they lack genetic antecedents, and therefore, don’t currently exist. This business with anybody but industriously reproductive conservatives existing is sheerly your imagination, Palin is currently in the white house, and Europe (and Canada, and everywhere but Texas) is a figment of everyone’s collective imagination.
Remember, this can’t NOT be true.
So in ten years of posting on this board THIS is the only major post fail that comes to mind.
And as luck would have it, this is the one that makes it to two pages!
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Um, yep, it’s good to be me.