I think it would be helpful to explain what would be causing the lack of sexual desire, and what exactly is even meant by “sexual desire” (does it exclude any sexual response at all, or just erotic thoughts? It’s hard to see how one could universally exist without the other). Sexual desire is caused by biology. What exact changes are you hypothesizing as happening biologically.
Just erotic feelings and the Alien Space Bats (unknowingly) are causing the lack of desire.
The origin of the question is obvious. Curtis is a 14 year old boy going through puberty, he is consumed by sexual thoughts, yet his church teaches him that sexual thoughts are sinful. So he kinda wishes he didn’t have these thoughts, and wondered what the world would be like nobody did.
But Curtis, like I said, you believe you were created by God, right? So why did God give you these overwhelming sexual urges?
Agreed. I think we should let him know that sexual desires just are. You can go about sex in a good or bad manner (the whole non consent thing) but desires themselves aren’t inherently anything. If he rubbed one out a little more often, I think he’d feel a lot better.
I wish you’d be nicer to Qin (which involves addressing him by his chosen name). As you point out, he’s a kid.
Qin, I know you have difficulty reconciling your biology with your, ah, dogma. A lot of people have gone through the same difficulty; your experiences are not unique. Just know this. Sex is not evil, and it is possible to be a good person – even a good Christian – and enjoy it. My own parents were devout Christians, yet clearly horny, as the last four of their children were unabashedly accidents brought on by their desire for one another.
This is why Augustine of Hippo is first on my list of “time travel assassinations”, for enshrining all that “sex is evil” crap. Sure, he had fun in his youth and matured, but the message got twisted from “sex is less important as you get older, replaced by more intellectual pursuits” to “sex is bad.”
Fuck that guy,
the world would manage. Witness the 10 year old boys - not much sexual desire to speak of, but quite capable of learning, working, forming hierarchies, exploring the world around them and so on. If they were to live for another 10-20 years without puberty, their intellectual development and ability to keep the world running might be little different from adult men we are used to. They might also be willing to marry and have children if this activity were strongly sanctioned by society, netting them higher social status and some financial benefit to offset the costs (let’s say a percentage of children’s future earnings or state subsidies or something like that).
In any event, I think it all boils down to just what is getting removed. Sexual desire is not the most important characteristic of an adult man - the desire for status in social hierarchy, aggressiveness, willingness to self-sacrifice (by extra work effort, in times of peace) to achieve what they want are more important and relevant to the day-to-day operation of society. And we know empirically that men will seek status, be aggressive and get things done regardless of any realistic prospect of getting laid in return. They do it for its own sake.
Now, if you end up removing other things along with the sex drive, as let’s say the eunuchs lost the high male level of testosterone as well, then you start venturing into substandard man territory. AFAIK eunuchs were not notable for work ethic.
But seriosuly, back to the intellectual puzzle. Men want sex. Men want status because it gets them more sex (is that right?) Men want nice houses, cars, gadgets, etc. because those things get them more sex (or because they think they will.)
So what would the new primary motivator be? Or am I incorrect in thinking that sex really is hands down the primary motivator for most men?
One counter-argument is that I don’t know anybody getting laid for their mad video gaming skillz, but I know a lot of grown men spending more than half their free time on video games.
Food? Comfort? Is competitiveness really a motivator in itself unrelated to sex?
What is the most common number two motivator for men? Without that answer, we can’t really form opinions about the societal impact.
:rolleyes:
Or, maybe he had a legitimate “what if?” question that has nothing to do puberty or sexual repression, but you can’t speak to him without being at least a little demeaning.
Taken with his last post about the worst thing you’ve ever done which ended up being him talking about his abuse against his elders and his, uh, “lustful thoughts,” I think he really just needs someone to tell him that no, masturbation is OK. I learned from Judy Blume’s Deenie not to feel weird about it. There’s got to be some male version of that for him.
Well, he can shave the palms and get glasses for the eyes like the rest of us.
I thought the rest of us were using Nair for that…
Curtis, go and have your wank. FFS no one cares and you not gonna get punished for your adolescent desires.
Sexual desire in humans is a lot different than most animals. So removing that shouldn’t impact Darwinian pressures to reproduce. Mosquitoes don’t have a sexual inner world but they reproduce just fine.
This reminds me of my “castrate all the men” thread, except instead of surgery it’s done with magic. You’d see violent crimes plummet. Prostitution, strip clubs, the sex trade, child sexual abuse, rape, and pornography would be very rare unless the goal was reproduction. That’s already a lot of good on the big issues. There’d be lots of little benefits as well, like media makers not inserting random big breasted women wherever they can or women not having to worry about being stalked or sexually harassed at work or on the street.
The best argument against it is about what motivates men. Would industrial civilization even be possible without men wanting to impress women? Maybe that line of thinking is true, but recognize that it’s pretty demeaning towards women. You’re basically either saying they’re too stupid to figure it out, or they don’t care about it because they don’t have to and can just sponge off men.
Many people say sexuality is a core part of being human. They’ve also said that about music, socializing, and who knows what else. I feel bad for any asocial amusic asexuals reading these threads.
At what point do we as a board distinguish ourselves from 4chan by deciding further posts advising the op to go fuck himself are unnecessary, and continue either discussing or ignoring his philosophical question?
I think it has to do with this thread:
Music might get a lot more interesting. I am SO tired of listening to an endless cavalcade of songs about love. Seriously, like 90% of the music out there references sex, love, or passion in some way shape or form. The other 10% is techno.
Well, I don’t know about the world but my marriage would surely be better!
What marriage? I guess you could continue to share housing with the person who used to be your spouse, but you wouldn’t be married to them.
I wouldn’t have to worry about stray cats spraying on my porch.