Would this work? (Gas prices)

No, not the “gas out.”

Assuming that gas stations that sell more gas have a higher profit (which I don’t even know is true), what if your friendly neighborhood gas guy were to sell you gas “in advance”? At today’s price?

What if you could “deposit” a couple hundred bucks, and buy gas at today’s price till your deposit was spent?

Granted, eventually, he’d be selling gas at a lower price than his competitors, but he’d be selling more of it. And generating good will too.

Is this totally wacko? (I’m not an economist, or even a capitalist, obviously.)

Happens all the time in the stock market; it’s called “options”. The only difference is that you don’t buy tomorrow stuff at today’s prices, you buy it at anticipated tomorrow prices. (sort of)

So, say today’s price is $1.60/gal. and you’re proposing that you give him, say, $160 and you get to pump gas at his place until you’ve received 100 gallons.

Sounds like playing futures. Do you still get only 100 gallons if the price drops to $1.50?

Hmm. A set-price futures contract for a commodity. Sounds like… the Board of Trade !

I don’t think that futures contracts at a retail level would be practical. These are done at the commodity brokerage level (crude oil, corn, hog bellies, etc) to secure a market for known quantities of production, and at a massive scale. I don’t see a point to them on a consumer retail level.

If everybody bought gas on credit cards, this might have some benefit to the retailer, as credit cards can cost you as much as a few bucks per transaction cleared. I think that’s why gas stations push private cards and debit cards.

I drive too much to be able to take advantage of such an arrangement; I seldom fill up at the same place. And I do have a preference for a specific gas brand; I use Chevron becacuse they’re open later at night, have a fast and easy debit card reader system, and use vapor recovery nozzles (a boon to those who dislike explosive fumes). But they got that allegiance just by having a convenient Chevron-brand credit card. I think that’s more effective for the retailer than a fixed-price contract.

Me, I hope gas goes up to $5 a gallon in the US to show us a little bit about efficiency.

I dont think you would ever see anyone doing this because of several factors. The price you pay today is based on what the gas station owner paid. So lets say he paid $1.30 for each gallon of gas he has, so he charges you $1.60. ( I have no idea what the actuall proportions are, i am making this completely up) So you pay $160 bucks for 100 gallons of gas. So a month from now you go back to that gas station to fill up from your 100 gallon credit and you see that the price per gallon has gone up form $1.60 that you paid a month ago to $3.00. You think, gee whiz, i am glad i did this, i am saving lots, and the gas station owner is thinking, god dam* it i’m gettin ripped off. Why you ask? Because he probably paid somewhere in the field of $2.50 for each gallon of gas that you are now filling your car with, and you only paid $1.60. Make sense? I am not too good at explaining this kind of thing, and my prices are out of whack, but i think you get the idea. :slight_smile:


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[…The price you pay today is based on what the gas station owner paid…]Strider

mmm…me thinks maybe they raise the price a little ahead of when their actual costs go up. Sorta “anticipating”, so to speak, thus making a few extra bucks in the meantime. Anyone here work/own a gas station, with the straight dope on this?

Gary

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I buy my home heating propane in exactly the way the OP suggests. I purchase a year’s supply at a time (at a discount over current prices) and take my chances on later price fluctuations. I suspect that the retailer used my cash to stockpile enough gas to get me through the winter. But if not, he’s taking a beating now.

Not only can you, but it’s happening. I saw on the news about a month ago where you pre-purchase gas at a specific price from a service station on a special debit card, which debits by the gallon. IIRC, if the price drops, you can either just hold onto it and pay “spot” prices, or they will give you a credit for the unused money on the card for a new card at the lower price.

The story was on KUSA TV (Denver, channel 9) in late February. A cursory search of their website didn’t turn up the actual story, and I don’t have time right now to research it further.


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Actually, the profit margin is much lower and the pricing is a little more complicated.

Normally, a gas station makes a dime a gallon on the gas it sells … sort of. If the price they most recently paid is $1.00 a gallon, they would likely charge $1.10. Here where I live, gas is going around $1.43 a gallon, and since the station’s are getting so much flak over the prices, they’re only charging between six and seven cents over what they’re paying, which means they’re getting it for $1.36 or $1.37.

But all of that is (kind of) irrelevant. Say the price of gas goes up to $2.00 a gallon tomorrow. You’ll notice that every gas station in town raised their prices at the same time. Now, we all know that every gas station did not simultaneously run out of gas and suddenly have to restock at higher prices all at once. Therefore, they’ve still got the cheaper gas in their tanks, which they’re selling at the price of their next delivery.

But it’s even more complicated than that. Tank sizes vary according to location, traffic, etc. at each location, but let’s say your average station has 20,000 gallon tank. The local gas tanker only holds 8,000 gallons of gas, so it takes several shipments to fill the thing up, and they schedule routine shipments so that they never run low (again varying due to location, traffic, etc.). So let’s say the price of gas was $1.05 a gallon one week and, for argument’s sake, the gas station was completely bone dry when the delivery truck arrived. They put 8,000 gallons of gas in that week, filling the tank over a third of the way up. Let’s say the station sells 4,000 gallons a week and receives deliveries once a week. The next week, he gets another 8,000 gallons, but the retail price is now $1.15. He now has 12,000 gallons underground and he’s charging $1.15, but a third of the gas he’s selling should have been sold for $1.05, giving him a little extra profit on the old gas from the week before. He sells another 4,000 gallons the next week, gets another delivery, but now the retail price has gone up to $1.25. He still had 8,000 gallons underground with an average per gallon price of $1.12, but he’s selling it for $1.25 a gallon, even though the legitimate price should be $1.19. This continues and the profit margins increase, meaning that when the gas prices are going up, the gas station makes a greater profit on the gas it actually has in its tanks. Now, the exact opposite is true when the price of gas is falling, but you’ll notice on the news that they say it will take six weeks once OPEC ups production before we’ll see prices start to fall again. Sounds to me like they keep the price of gas inflated for a few weeks while they wait until they unload some of that more expensive gas they still have underground.

So what does any of this have to do with the original post? Actually, I’m not quite sure, except that it does provide a little more accurate information for the folks who can figure this out better than I can. To my way of thinking, you perhaps could “lock in” a price as long as there was a time limit, and do it in such a way that you would pay no more than the current price.

How’s this for a scheme. You know that you’re going to need 20 gallons of gas next week, but you’re worried the price will go up. Therefore, you buy the 20 gallons in advance at today’s price, since even if the price goes up, the station owner is pretty well assured of still having gas at the price you’re paying underground. If, however, the price goes down, you get 21 or 22 gallons or whatever the price today would have got you for the price you paid. Finally, the deal would run out in a week, and if you came in after that, you’d only get the amount you would receive today for the price you paid last week.

I’m starting to get flashbacks to the “story problems” we had in grade school arithmetic!

Wouldn’t surprise me if some gas station owners (independents at least) might start coming up with some imaginative ways to keep their customers happy.

Does anyone know – are gas stations like movie theaters? I’ve heard theaters make more money from the soda and popcorn than from tickets.

The mark-up on “sundries” is pretty high at the gas station-convenience stores. Wonder if most of their profit is really in gas sales. ??