Would you enroll your child in a Spanish immersion school?

I would consider enrolling my kid, but I would have to say that the entire family would have to be a part of the process. I wouldn’t expect my kid to the only spanish speaker in the family, they might hate the distinction and what wonder what for? Also what will happen after elementary school, will there be quality spanish instruction for the rest of his school career? What opportunities are there for him and the family to practice their skills in the community on a regular basis?

I see the immersion schools as a bit faddish, if the family spends time in a Spanish speaking community, or anticipates traveling abroad, and the whole family is interested in the language then go for it.

IIRC there was a Chinese immersion class planned for Rockford schools, all well and good if you’re expecting to be transferred to Hong Kong or Shanghai, but otherwise, I don’t see the point in having your kid come home speaking a foreign language if the parents aren’t going to back it up with an interest in themselves. I think a lot parents love the idea of having a bilingual kid, but are they as motivated to learn about it as well?

The school only goes up to 4th grade, so kids start classes in English in 5th grade. IIRC they get English grammar earlier than that. They do get Spanish refresher classes after 4th grade so they continue to speak it every day. (I think civics or social studies or some similar class is taught to them in Spanish as well.)

I guess I wouldn’t personally know if the Spanish is being spoken correctly, however, a big deal was made over the fact that the teachers are native speakers so I would guess that helps.

I do worry a little about not knowing what he is being taught. I can read and understand Spanish pretty well (especially the easy reader things they would be getting in K, 1st, 2nd grade) but I am a terrible speaker! I think the teachers do send notes and things home in English so maybe they would give the parents English instructions or something to help with homework. Based on the homework I see my 1st grader doing now I would at least be able to help with that kind of thing. I would probably try to take some refresher courses or at least start listening to Spanish podcasts or something so I could remember more vocabulary. :slight_smile:

But yes, I would be pretty dependent on the teacher and the school that things were being taught correctly. However, we chose this school before they added the immersion program, based on other criteria, so we know it is a good school.

I wondered it it was just kind of a fad, too. Although the examples in Canada with French immersion, and in Europe, are good to hear. I think it is just new to the U.S. I would think Chinese would be even more difficult for kids. At least Spanish is the same alphabet pretty much, most kids starting preschool can recognize letters and their sounds already.

I also wondered what effects if any it would have with him being the only one from our family in immersion. My 1st grader is getting Spanish a few times a week, so that at least is much better than I got (didn’t get it until high school). Maybe our older will know enough after a few years to speak it a little at home with the younger. (This is all I need…for my kids to be able to converse in secret! :slight_smile: )

I should look more into the other benefits of learning a language besides just being able to converse with more people. Even if he grows up and doesn’t speak it much, I think it has lasting effects on early brain development?

I only took Spanish in high school and a year in college, but just being able to read a bit in Spanish has come in very handy. I can’t converse well with people at all, but I do understand quite a bit when I hear it spoken. I don’t regret the years I took, I wish I had been able to start earlier. I guess the only reason not to do it is if his ‘regular’ education would suffer for it…for example his English writing skills. There is traditionally so much emphasis in early years on reading that to purposefully delay it goes against my instincts, and I am having to stop and think about why.

I guess when I first heard about it, my thoughts were ‘it sounds really hard! The kids will be so confused!’ But that is probably my own bias and how I would react, so I am trying to make the decision based on data and not just how I as an adult would feel to be immersed. I am glad to be able to see the first 2 years of the program before having to decide and I will be sure to talk to parents already in it though.

(There is also the possibility by the time he is old enough there won’t be enough spots and he won’t get in!)

I should add, that some of my husband’s family has been reacting…well, crazily to this idea. I am getting some comments about how kids in America should be taught in ENGLISH, the whole country is going downhill, is this catering to illegal immigrants, etc. etc. One aunt in particular thinks this is just a terrible idea, to teach American kids in a foreign language! It is really nothing but xenophobia, so I must admit that if having my son in immersion makes their heads explode, that would be a perk.

I think I was busy when I answered previously.

A good friend of my mom’s sent her three daughters to a Spanish/English bilingual public school in San Francisco from kindergarten to fifth grade. All three of them emerged totally fluent in Spanish. They continued studying at an “enrichment” level in higher grades, studying literature and that sort of thing. Neither of their parents speak Spanish at any level of fluency that I’m aware of (they’re both British and definitely not Latino in any way), and spoke English with them at home.

All three girls are adults now - the youngest is 26 - and although I’ve personally never tested them or anything, they seemed pretty normal, academically. They speak English with a standard American accent (despite their parents’ noticeable British accents), went to college, pretty ordinary stuff. But they’re bilingual.

My mom has often says that it’s one of her major regrets that she didn’t send me to that school as well.

As soon as I saw the OP I wondered how long it would take for the “But this is AMUHRICA!!” crowd to start shaking their ignorant fists. Sorry it’s coming from your own family.

I had an inadvertant immersion experience eerily similar to what TheTerribleTako described, and I can assure you that learning a foreign language won’t in any way hinder your kid’s abilities in your native language. (Cite: my perfect SAT scores for the verbal section. :D) I agree that it really does wire your brain to pick up certain things more easily.

If the kid’s sibling speaks (or is learning it) and you and/or your spouse are interested in picking up some yourselves, I see no reason not to go for it. If nothing else, it opens up options for the child to one day get a job in international marketing or something like that, though of course you can’t foresee interest or aptitude in that sort of thing now.

Or in law, social work, financial services, government…

Pretty much in any type of job where you interact with the public on matters of importance, being bilingual is a huge bonus to employability.

Or even still in manufacturing/engineering. Just because some of it’s in Spanish-speaking countries doesn’t mean that Americans aren’t still running the show. Knowing Spanish is nice.

Spanish is becoming a second language here and I would do the immersion classes.

I know a few Canadians and their parents sent them to French immersion school and they all were so grateful later on.

It’s important to know a second language, if only to watch the Spanish Soap Operas on Telemundo and Univision :smiley:

No. I think the idea of an immersion program is silly unless you/your child’s native languages are different from the national language. For example, a Spanish speaking parent in the US should have their child immersed in an English-speaking program. I do not feel that English speaking parents should immerse their children in Spanish. What if your child needs help with his math/science/art homework, and you don’t speak Spanish?

There is no reason the child can’t learn math and music and art and science (etc) in English while taking both English and Spanish language classes at the same time. This way they will still grow up fluent in Spanish without eschewing English, and potentially alienating their parents during a crucial period in their educational development. This is the program used by non-English-speaking countries who teach English courses beginning by fourth(ish) grade, and it seems to work very well for them.

I say this as a person who took 4 years of Spanish in high school. I do think that foreign language should be a part of every US school curriculum, beginning in kindergarten. But I do not think that the native language ought to be completely eschewed. People say that immersion programs are the best thing that ever happened to them… that’s only because there is no standard for teaching foreign languages in America. Pretty much every first/second world non-English-speaking country has an English language program beginning in elementary school. But we do not. If we did, immersion programs would not be necessary (except if the need for a 3rd or 4th language arises).

So many people in this thread seem to think that entering an immersion program at age 4-6 is the only possible way to become bilingual. This is a false dichotomy.

These issues are addressed in A Parents’ and Teacher’s Guide to Bilingualism, which is a sort of FAQ-style guide to the issues of raising bilingual children. I’m just going to summarize what the book says on these points:

On the language of the child’s later education: as long as the kid is well versed in the language in which they’ll take higher education, this shouldn’t be a problem.

As to helping with homework, the book recommends having kids explain in the parent’s language what they learned in the school language. The reconceptionalizing that would take place pays off in deeper understanding of the subject and the languages involved.

On this issue, the above mentioned book says that bilingualism can go passive, but can be re-awakened later in life. The benefit doesn’t disappear, but goes dormant. Of course, it doesn’t say anything about seven decades later, but those early years of language exposure do sort of get burned in.

It’s certainly not the only strategy, but it is a very good one. We’re talking about bilingualism, not merely the study of a language. Unless you’re locking your kid in the basement at night (which no one here is recommending) they’re going to be even better at the dominant language of the area they live in than any secondary language. Children perceive and are sensitive to the need for a language for communication and for group association. The school immersion strategy takes care of these requirements for acquiring fluency in a non-dominant language:

  1. The child must spend at least a third of waking hours communicating in the target language. So, the kids spend all day in a place where Spanish is the primary language.
  2. The conditions must be such that the child needs the language for communication. Although school is itself a context, broadly speaking, it’s also a place where multiple subject matters are treated, creating a plethora of ways in which understanding a language pays off.
  3. The child must not feel that the target language is a stigma. In an immersion school, all the other kids help normalize your own experience.

And keep in mind that we’re not talking about a kid only knowing Spanish for a couple of years, and going home to parents who can’t understand his crazy moon language. The kid will also be immersed in English for several hours a day – when not in school. Nobody’s eschewing English here. They’re just creating an environment better suited for another language to take root at the same time, which for the second language requires special accommodation.

Well, I guess if he does go to immersion, we can be a case study. My husband, who had no second language taught at all, me, who had the high school version, my older son, who started in 1st grade twice a week classes, and then the youngest. I like to hedge my bets with the kids. One of them should turn out ok :slight_smile:

One thing I do remember from the presentation the immersion leader gave, is the fluency of an immersed student by the 4th grade was better than college Spanish majors. I thought that was pretty neat. I really struggled with learning Spanish in high school, I keep thinking how nice it would be to just learn it when you are young.

ETA - thanks for the book recommendation Johnny Angel, I will check it out.

I am also curious about how big a deal this would be to people. For example, I am kind of on the fence but am leaning towards trying it because it seems like a good opportunity…but if for some reason he didn’t get in I wouldn’t be heartbroken about it. But, like I said, we chose this school anyway before we knew immersion was an option so I am already committed to the school. However, some people in the community are very intent on getting their kid in here, when the rumor started that this school was starting immersion, I went to the info meeting and there were parents there ready to move and/or uproot their kids from existing good schools to get them in (besides the fact that this is a private school, so you already pay tuition, immersion tuition is slightly higher.)

This makes me wonder, is this a really really good opportunity that I would be crazy to turn down? Or are parents just nuts about any perceived advantage their kids could have?

Out of curiosity - why are you considering this? I’m not saying it’s not a good idea, but I’m wondering if you’re doing this because you think they’ll use Spanish extensively later, because you want to enhance brain development or because you want them to be more relevant in more ways later on or all of the above.

I think all are ok reasons, though I do feel like doing it for early brain development is kinda nebulous. In other words, what part of the brain are you trying to enhance and why?

If you think your son can handle it without being too upset about it, I’d say go for it, though as Nava noted, it’s really important that you assess (or have someone else help you assess) the quality of the teachers. Just because someone is a native speaker doesn’t necessarily mean that they speak correctly. You don’t have to be “foreign” to butcher a language.

Learning a second language young is the way to go. The younger, the better.

I live in Canada, where bilingualism (French-English) is a fact. I had the devil of a time learning French, myself, so I sent my two kids to French Immersion schools. (Bilingual country = should automatically be taught both languages ASAP). Here’s what happened:

She was older; she did well in school, so well that she was put into the francais stream (everything taught in French, except English) in grade I. It was hard for her at first, so I told her that if she wanted to switch back at Christmas, she could. By then she didn’t want to switch! Today she is 39, a high school French teacher, and she says every job she ever had, she got because she could speak French fluently.

The other kid hated school with a passion. His French was fluent but his accent was … nasty, like mine is, and totally unlike his sister’s, who had people thinking she was a native French speaker. He married an American lady, lives in the Pacific Northwest, and takes Spanish lessons - and they tell him he speaks Spanish with a French accent :slight_smile:

Perhaps knowing Spanish isn’t a Really Big Deal in Michigan today. However, who knows what the future holds? And here, where Immersion is a Really Big Deal, I have never heard that the second language hurt a child any more than learning arithmetic or geograpgy hurt it.

You help him or her in English.

You have to realize that: 1) Children under 13 or so have a facility with languages that makes worries like these unfounded; and 2) Immersion programs serve a much greater purpose than simply teaching a new language. Early bilingual instruction develops cognitive functions that generalize to greater mental flexibility and aptitude with engaging in abstract thought.

As for myself, when I have children, I’m going to hire a Mandarin speaking nanny.

I guess I would not have considered it if our school wasn’t offering it, but the response to it plus the info we have been given make it sound pretty great. I have always thought the present system of starting a second language requirement in high school was pretty dumb, it seems obvious that the earlier the better when it comes to language. Do I think it will make or break him? No. He goes to a good school so he is already ahead of the game in that respect. It just seems a shame to waste a good opportunity, but I know nothing about raising a child to be bilingual so I want to make sure this doesn’t have other effects I hadn’t considered.

ETA - I have also enrolled my older son in an extracurricular math program, just for fun. He was interested and it seemed like a no brainer. I guess he could end up in a career where he doesn’t need any extra math knowledge (like me.) But I never thought “extra math is a waste of time”. So I wonder if I am thinking about Spanish in a way that I don’t think about other skills, and whether I should be thinking like that (if that makes sense.)

It does seem like it would offer him more opportunities, but even if he doesn’t end up in a career where he needs to specifically speak Spanish I think it could benefit him. I mean, I almost never use my algebra/trig. skills, or my chemistry knowledge, but I don’t think I shouldn’t have learned algebra. I would guess half the classes you learn in school you don’t end up really using much. But reading and language is so fundamental to school success that I don’t want to hinder it, so that is what I am checking out. Plus I am afraid that if he struggles early on it could affect his view of school (make him think it is hard, or make him not like it as much.)

I do wonder about the teacher quality. There was a huge pool of ‘regular’ elementary school teacher applicants to choose from when they hired for this school, but I would think finding a teacher to fit the requirements of immersion would be harder. So instead of dozens or even hundreds of choices, maybe you have 1 or 2. (I don’t know what the recruiting process is like so I could be off base here.)

Second, I wonder about the ability to recognize if he is having trouble in school or even needs help or has a learning disability or something. My husband has ADD and I know that can be hereditary. I wonder if it would be harder to see if a child was really struggling or if we would just chalk it up to the language.

But I don’t want to let these questions stop me from giving him a good opportunity. Like I said, I think I am thinking about this from my point of view and not his.

This thread has me wanting to take French immersion. A few years ago, I was taking courses at the Alliance Française in Toronto, but they were the usual once-a-week classroom courses and it didn’t stick. Last year, though, I took that Japanese immersion course and really enjoyed it. But even though it was far more than classroom grammar instruction, still, we were in a city where the common language is English, and it was quickly drowned out by things as simple as the conversations around me going home on the subway.

To really do immersion, you need to be in a place where the common language is the language you are learning. You need the language around you at all times–the books you read, the movies you watch, the music you listen to. A quick google led me to the University of Western Ontario’s summer French immersion program in Québec. Six weeks doing nothing but learning French, in a town that only speaks French. You sign a pledge to only speak French.

Drastic, but consider this: children learning their first languages are already in immersion. They are spending every hour of every day learning their mother tongues, along with everything else they are learning. This is why kids can go to immersion school in a language other than the ‘street’ language of their town, and not lose the street language: the world outside school keeps teaching them the street language as the world inside the school teaches them the immersion language.

Even a second language of limited fluency can get you places and help you avoid problems.

Example: back in 2007 I went to a weekend get-together in Montréal. It was in Esperanto, and I arranged to stay at a friend of a friend’s. The household spoke French, and only my acquaintance spoke Esperanto. I had nowhere to speak English. The next year, there was a conference, again in Montréal, again in Esperanto. It was held at the Université du Québec à Montréal, which is a French-speaking institution. Again, English was out of the picture.

I was able to go all over Montréal with people speaking Esperanto. I got to go off the tourist trail. I met people who I suspect were cultural activists and somewhat ill-disposed towards English-speakers from the rest of Canada–especially ones from Toronto*–but as long as I didn’t speak Englsh, I was okay. The one time we did speak English on the street, we got some snarky remarks from passers-by.

Now, this is all bound up with the effects of the past fifty years in Québec/Canada politics–google “Quiet Revolution” if you want more–but there is no denying that if you speak more than one language, you can avoid problems in one language by using another.

[sub]* After the Parti Quebecois took power in '76, a lot of English-speaking people and companies left Montréal for Toronto. It was around this time that Toronto began its rapid growth to become bigger than Montréal**–before then, Montréal was the largest and richest city in Canada.
**But Montréal still has a better-looking metro. :slight_smile: [/sub]

Ha - my Spanish professor in college had us watch the Spanish Soap Operas for practice. If there is anything more cheesy and dramatic than an American Soap Opera, it is a Spanish Soap Opera!
it is funny what sticks in my brain after only a few years of Spanish. I can hardly conjugate verbs, but I can sing lots of songs in Spanish and also tell you that my mother is very sick with the flu.

Not least of my reasons is that I plan to have my kids apply for The Amazing Race and Spanish speaking will be a leg up for them. I also will teach them to drive stick.

lots of great discussion on this topic! I live in San Francisco and have my sons in a Chinese immersion school. It is unreal how fast they learn, and it’s quite clear that doing so in a language no one in their family had prior knowledge of has not been any hindrance. The school’s math scores are particularly impressive, and there is a body of research to suggest that studying Chinese characters helps with math by providing training in visuospatial skills. Also, the language of numbers has math embedded in Chinese (twenty literally translates as two tens, for example). As someone suggested earlier, no one ever says they regret learning a language, and it’s much easier to do a thorough job of it when you’re young. I have a blog about immersion education on the website of the film Speaking in Tongues, which is about 4 kids in immersion programs in the San Francisco public schools. The film and the blog address many of the topics discussed here. You can check it out at www.speakingintonguesfilm.info

Good luck making your relatives heads explode!