I miss wrestling more than anything so I might give it a shot. It’s definitely far more dangerous though.
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I’m not seeing your position here.
Somebody might get hurt while working in a kitchen, but nobody is claiming the purpose of working in a kitchen is to get hurt. The purpose is to prepare a good meal. Any pain which occurs is incidental.
To me, the purpose of fighting is to win the fight. Ideally, I win a fight quickly and without experiencing any pain. And I would be fighting for some reason outside of the fight itself.
As for the pain theory, would you experience the same fun from being tortured?
Yes.
I tried to get a few friends in college to try a small-scale fight club version. No takers. It didn’t help that I was the one in the group perceived to be the athlete. I couldn’t convince them that they brought much more toughness and skill to the table than they credited themselves with. No one was down for so much as a single exchange of punches let alone two minutes of bare knuckle boxing and grappling.
I get why most people have zero interest, but I have a wide self-destructive streak, and violence makes my reptile brain all tingly. At the time, I couldn’t imagine what would be more fun than a few quick fights amongst friends and then icing our bruises down with a few beers. And yes I’ve been punched before, and no I’m not posturing. My whole pitch to the guys boiled down to “I’m not as tough as you think, and you’re all selling yourselves short.”
Didn’t vote. No option for “Male who thinks Fight Clubs are an idiotic idea, although the film was well done.”
No and I’d call the cops on them too.
I do this. We call it rugby. Pushing past your own limitations of physical stress and pain while doing unspeakable things to other people, and then everyone drinks beer together before going to the hospital. I have done a wide variety of martial arts and rugby is by far more testing.
This is what I’m thinking. Hence I can’t vote. I’m all for breaking the first two rules of Fight Club in order to keep even idiots from getting hurt. (There’s no reason for the club to be secret unless they are seriously hurting each other.)
BTW, the second rule is not “Don’t talk about Fight Club.” It is “See rule 1.”
I have been to a few matches where they were actually more civilized than the pro matches. They agreed on the style of fight in advance, if the ref saw one was dominating he would stop the fight even if the looser insisted he wasn’t hurt.
Why? Everyone fighting is a volunteer. And nobody is likely to get killed in a fistfight. It’s silly but it’s not a crime.
What a load. There is no known threshold below which getting punched in the head is known to cause no damage to the brain. If you’re allowing head blows, it could very well end up causing acute traumatic injury. Even worse, recent studies have shown that the effects of even minor head injuries are very much cumulative–one hour of fight club a week for a couple years could knock years of lucidity off the end of your life. How manly is early dementia?
And if not properly registered and licensed as an official sporting activity, you can’t count on its being adjudged to be legal, either. Without question, whoever runs an operation like that opens themselves up for massive liability suits, and that’s on top of any criminal violence charges that might accrue.
Going out to replace the shed roof today. There is plenty of fight club right here on my property. I can’t imagine asking for more.
You’re overlapping what’s possible with what’s likely. A fatal injury is possible in a fistfight but not very likely.
I won’t argue the manliness issue. The way I see it if you weren’t manly before the fight you won’t be any manlier after it.
Which is why I’m the guy who voted to chicken out instantly.
Pain is part of life, and as long as it’s not indicative of injury is nothing to be feared. “A little pain never hurt anybody!” as Charles Schultz once said. I secretly get a kick out of watching someone going to extremes to avoid pain… such as someone flailing around in a blind panic because a bee flew by and could possibly have approached them and could possibly have landed on them and could possibly have stung them, but didn’t.
Dude, chill out! It’s a freakin’ BEE, not the end of the world. Worst that will happen is you’ll get stung, and it’ll hurt a little bit for a little while. Do you know what a fool you look like doing that?!
Of course, some people are allergic to bee stings, and that’s an entirely different matter altogether. That’s where the difference between pain and injury comes in, and in my experience, the vast majority of the people I’ve met don’t seem to perceive any difference at all.
Hence Fight Club; the movie wasn’t about guys punching each other, it was about the difference between pain and injury. Everyday life is injurious; you die a little bit each day you go around zombified, doing what the media tells you to do, buying what the media tells you to buy. But, by accepting a little pain, you can end all that… get out of your boring life and into one which has some meaning. By suffering the temporary pain of destroying all the banks, humanity will be freed from the injury of modern society; at least, that’s my perception of the movie.
It’s like ripping off a bandage… do it quickly and it hurts for a moment, do it slowly enough and it hurts forever. Or surgery… get sliced open and pieces removed, or die slowly and painlessly (for now at least) from the cancer eating you up inside.
:smack:Pain is not Injury. :smack:Injury is not Pain. :smack:
But in a fight, as many have already pointed out, the point is to Injure. And that’s why I’m tapping out before the first punch is thrown. Call me a chicken, fine, but we’ll fight again later on after we establish some rules to prevent permanent injury; I like having my teeth, eyes, brain, genitals, and other vital organs where they are, thank you!
Edit to add: it’s not about ‘manliness’ either. Some of the strongest people I’ve ever known, on the subject of dealing properly with pain, have been women.
If other animals can be used for an example lions for instance do become more manly after winning a fight. It raises thier testosterone levels and thier manes become darker and thicker. Quite possiibly in humans higher levels of testosterone could mean having more muscle mass. Humans will usually posture and stand up to one another instead of actually fighting, this way both can walk away winners.
We’re veering into GD territory here - but besides the fewer rules, how is the above not applicable to, say, boxing? All combatants are consenting adults (should have mentioned that in the OP, but it should go without saying) and rules *are *enforced. Not that I’m trying to convince you that you’re wrong not to go, but why bother calling the cops (on a bunch of people sworn to secrecy who enjoy casual violence, no less - which on intellectual terms is a bit like blackmailing Batman. Good luck.)?
Going into GQ territory, would a Fight Club bare-knuckle brawl with the Nine Rules actually be *safer *than boxing? Specifically, I’m talking about boxing gloves (which would count as ‘weapons’ against the Ninth Rule);