Would you let your friend do this degrading, deperate deed?

[Skald_the_Rhymer]

@MrDibble

And I disagree with both of those being used to exploit those groups.Sorry if I misphrased that - it’s not that I don’t think she has the right, she’s an adult, it’s that I think the person taking advantage of her circumstances shouldn’t have the right to.I wouldn’t. especially not her doing something that would trigger me, itself.I’ve said nothing about trying to stop her (physically, I take it you mean)I disagree - intent matters for this type of thing.
I take it you disagree with all involuntary psychiatric committal as well, then?

I don’t think it’s right for the Skeevy Fellow to take advantage of Emma as he proposes, but I don’t see an ethically consistent way to stop him.

As for involuntary psychiatric commitment: it depends on the degree of disturbance the person is evincing. Danger to others, certainly. Imminent danger to one’s own life and safety, surely. But what Emma is consenting to isn’t quite that. It’s more like someone who repeatedly gets involved with domestic abusers because of psychological issues. I wouldn’t commit someone for that either.

[DrDeth]

Oh course I’d let her. I’d support her either way. I’d think making the film would not be her best choice, but I’d keep that to myself, except asking her questions that might lead her to make that decision for herself.

[Pantastic]

@Skald_the_Rhymer

I can think of several ways to subject a person to agonizing torment that nevertheless would not necessitate an ER visit or doctor’s call. Hell, even the fact that the term “doctor” is used allows some wiggle room, as a nurse or EMT or PA can handle a lot. There are plenty of areas on the human body that are non-vital and yet extremely sensitive to pain…

“Doctor” was just my shorthand, the actual OP talked about a visit to a clinic which covers the nurse or PA too. Also, the OP specified ‘whipping’, not whatever ‘various unspecified activities’ you’re invoking now. Whipping an eyeball will cause severe pain, but is also going to require serious medical attention. This is a radical change to the scenario.

Also, invoking an EMT vs a clinic, or claiming that whatever mystery thing is done doesn’t ‘necessitate’ medical attention because maybe you could live through it is just playing semantic ‘gotcha’ games, and moves the discussion away from your actual hypothetical into nitpicking your exact wording, on an OP with numerous typos, no less. I don’t really see the point in trying to discuss an already odd hypothetical if the discussion requires me to endlessly nitpick the exact wording of the OP and ignore the real topic. This is especially true when the OP includes obvious shorthand for something that would be a long and detailed conversation IRL.

I wasn’t willing to go into a blow-by-blow of what awaits Emma should she do the shoot because it really didn’t seem necessary. The specifics of the torture arenn’t teh point;

Again, the problem is not that you didn’t give a graphic description of what the shoot would entail, the problem is that you gave a non-graphic description of what activities and risks shoot would entail, then radically changed the limits of what would be done mid-thread without admitting it. “Whipping,” while varied, only covers a fairly narrow range of activities, and there’s only so much risk involved with anything that qualifies as ‘whipping,’ especially if you’re limiting to something that won’t warrant a visit to a clinic. Turning it into mystery unspecified activities of intensity that might require serious medical attention but not technically a visit to a clinic because they have medical personnel doing a housecall (or maybe even require major surgery and recovery but that’s an OR and PT not an ER or clinic) is completely different.

[MrDibble]

@Skald_the_Rhymer

. Imminent danger to one’s own life and safety, surely. But what Emma is consenting to isn’t quite that.

I disagree. The scenario and psychological profile you outline in the OP makes me fairly certain her mental health is at grave risk.

It’s more like someone who repeatedly gets involved with domestic abusers because of psychological issues.

The difference, here, is the absolute guarantee of suffering violent trauma. This is more akin to self-harm or attempted suicide, IMO.

[DrDeth]

@Pantastic

“Doctor” was just my shorthand, the actual OP talked about a visit to a clinic which covers the nurse or PA too. Also, the OP specified ‘whipping’, not whatever ‘various unspecified activities’ you’re invoking now. Whipping an eyeball will cause severe pain, but is also going to require serious medical attention. This is a radical change to the scenario.

Also, invoking an EMT vs a clinic, or claiming that whatever mystery thing is done doesn’t ‘necessitate’ medical attention because maybe you could live through it is just playing semantic ‘gotcha’ games, and moves the discussion away from your actual hypothetical into nitpicking your exact wording, on an OP with numerous typos, no less. I don’t really see the point in trying to discuss an already odd hypothetical if the discussion requires me to endlessly nitpick the exact wording of the OP and ignore the real topic. This is especially true when the OP includes obvious shorthand for something that would be a long and detailed conversation IRL.

Again, the problem is not that you didn’t give a graphic description of what the shoot would entail, the problem is that you gave a non-graphic description of what activities and risks shoot would entail, then radically changed the limits of what would be done mid-thread without admitting it. “Whipping,” while varied, only covers a fairly narrow range of activities, and there’s only so much risk involved with anything that qualifies as ‘whipping,’ especially if you’re limiting to something that won’t warrant a visit to a clinic. Turning it into mystery unspecified activities of intensity that might require serious medical attention but not technically a visit to a clinic because they have medical personnel doing a housecall (or maybe even require major surgery and recovery but that’s an OR and PT not an ER or clinic) is completely different.

Right, I agree. Having had friends in Hollywood that shot BDSM films, they are actually the safest line in porn or “sex work” to get into.

But Skald is moving the goalposts a little here, methinks. Or he doesnt know the industry.

[Skald_the_Rhymer]

@DrDeth

Right, I agree. Having had friends in Hollywood that shot BDSM films, they are actually the safest line in porn or “sex work” to get into.

But Skald is moving the goalposts a little here, methinks. Or he doesnt know the industry.

I’ll happily admit to not knowing the industry.

[DrDeth]

@Skald_the_Rhymer

I’ll happily admit to not knowing the industry.

Ten minutes surfing the internet, then scrubbing your history etc like crazy should fix this.
Of course, my knowledge is very dated and secondhand.