Well, William C. Rogers III got a pretty badge for killing 290 civilians on Flight 655:
The exercise to which you are referring - Millennium Challenge - was NOT a war game waged against Iran; it was waged against a theoretical nation, called simply “Red,” that was meant to be largely representative of Iraq. The Red commander, Gen. Paul van Riper, did not resign; he stayed on through the exercise although he eventually gave up giving orders because he wasn’t being listened to.
Once again, did you actually watch the miniseries or are you making your judgement based on the title of one of IIRC ten episodes.
Furthermore, since you’re going to bring up Hanks and Spielberg both men have given dozens of interviews on the subject.
Had they really made this miniseries with the goal of arguing that the US got into the war to “save the Jews” then it should be childishly simple to produce an example of them or someone else connected with the miniseries please do so.
Now, if you hadn’t actually seen the series but were making some judgement on it based on some vague understanding of it, then simply say that.
Did you link to the wrong article?
I ask because otherwise you must have misread it because there’s nothing in there saying he “got a pretty badge for killing 290 civilians.”
The closest we come to is the mention that he recieved a medal for several years worth of service, and having come from a navy town I can testify that those types of medals being given to naval officers after years of deployment is pretty common. Furthermore the article specifically states that no mention of the accidental shooting of the airliner was mentioned.
So, once again, did you accidentally link to the wrong article because otherwise you made an at best grossly misleading statement after badly misreading an article in wikipedia(which is hardly a reliable source to begin with).
We were at war with Germany and without doubt Germany would have used one on us. We aren’t at war with Iran and they wouldn’t nuke us.
And seriously, have you seen the amount of medals U.S. servicemen wear? The brass must hand out citations for looking both ways when crossing the street.
What???
It was pretty clear meant to be Iraq or Iran and General Van Riper has said he resigned because after “Red” was able to successfully sink a US carrier fleet, the brass decide to save face by “refloating” the fleet and then hamstringing “Red” so that the American military wouldn’t lose.
So then prior to 1941, it would have been kosher for Germany to get nukes?
You’re the one shifting the goalposts, Ibn.
My claim is relevant to today. There is no need to pretend I said it about a previous situation in the past, or that what was happening then is relevant to now. I am fine with Germany having nukes today.
Er yes. That’s what the article that Pretty Vacant cited says.
It does nothing to support his asinine suggestion that American naval officers were awarded medals for killing Iranian civilians and shooting down an Iranian airliner.
Sorry. I do agree with you. I was just messing around being silly and conflating all my posts in various threads.
It is pretty much meaningless, please disregard.
In all the branches, with the possible exception of the Marines medal inflation is an issue, and, if anything, it’s worse in the Navy and the Air Force than the Army.
Why do you insist that U.S./ German relations in the 40’s are an appropriate analog for U.S./Iran relations today?
It’s a different situation.
For instance, in the 40’s whoever builds the bomb first may very well win the war. THAT IS NOT THE CASE TODAY.
Let them have their nukes. We can have the threat of a response if they use them.
I have to ask again, who exactly is “they”?
The problem I have with this nuclear cock-waving is that democracies don’t go to war with each other so, by definition, the country at the other end is not representative of ‘the people’.
Yet it is only the people - mostly the civilian population of men and women and lots and lots of children in that particualr country right now - who get incinerated, while the ruling class will be deep in bunkers somewhere.
That’ll show “them”, right?
If someone could help me out with these questions please, not least given the USA lost in Iraq because of something the military had no answer for - IEDs: assuming the banking class allow further imperial action, how is that going to work?
The point stands though: van Riper did manage to cripple Blue while sticking to the (very restrictive) letter of what his backwards Red forces were limited to, simply by using unconventional tactics (such as fleets of zodiacs fitted with antiship missiles, or relaying his orders via runners so they couldn’t be intercepted by ELINT).
On the one hand, he was a bit of a dick for doing so, because as I understand it the point of the war game was not to examine whether Red could beat Blue all other things being equal, but rather to assess the performance of Blue if Red was doing what intel suggested Iraq would be doing.
On the other, you’d think the Blue leaders’ plans shouldn’t have had the kind of giant gaps van Riper exploited no matter what they expected the enemy to do. If only because in the Real World, miltary intel so very often has its head firmly lodged bumside.
Greece & Turkey ring any bells?
Of course. Both have, however, been in and out of democracy and the two have also had several conflicts - of all scales - so I can’t begin to address your statement.
Democracy/capitalism/no war is not a new concept, it would be interesting to note an exception to the rule if it exists.