WTC Collapse: Need airtight answer please!

comment on gravity? Do you understand the weight of the building above the impact area? It was over a million lbs of weight on a damaged structure subjected to heat.

What don’t you understand?

what part ofthis picture with the missing supports are you in doubt of?

How do you get someone who never solo’d in a little airplane to fly an airliner into the exact spot the charges are set? That’s some darn good flying.

Terrorist #1: “really looking forward to those 72 virgins”, Terrorist #2, stop talking you’re messing up my floor count. Now I have to start over, one… two…

One of the good things about your posting history is that it’s so very short; that is, it’s not a big challenge to search for confirmation about you linking to a paper by Dr. Steven Jones.

I have searched for such confirmation. The result of my search leads me to conclude that you did not link to any peer-reviewed paper by Dr. Steven Jones. CAVEAT: You HAVE linked (several times, in fact) to a website titled “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth”, and it is possible that a sufficiently exhaustive search of that website would eventually turn up a link to the paper you describe. Even if it would, that in no way counts as YOU having linked to the paper.

I won’t pretend that the responses you have received to your many posts on the subject of the 9/11 attacks have been supportive, and if you still feel reluctant to find it again and actually link to it, I will not fault you for that.

The fact remains, however, that until you do (or somebody else does) the existence of a peer-reviewed paper in support of your position continues to be no more than a bare assertion by you.

We know.

Is gravity the only force working on debris during a catastrophic building collapse? Who’s more likely to know what forces apply during that scenario? A guy who studies large-scale catastrophic failures for a living, or a guy who studies sub-atomic particles for a living? When you have one guy who studies sub-atomic particles for a living saying one thing about a building collapse, and literally the entire field of professional civil engineers saying the other, why would you believe the one guy who’s talking about thing outside of his field, and not the, again, literally thousands of people who are talking specifically about their field?

Yes, and everyone with relevant experience who has looked at those numbers has said that the spurts of ejected debris were caused by air pressure from the collapsing floors, and not from explosive squibs. Why don’t you believe all those guys, and instead only trust the guy who’s paper was so embarassingly incorrect and poorly considered that it ended up costing him his job?

Can you explain why all the civil engineers who have analyzed that data have come to the opposite conclusion from your Dr. Jones?

The group which resorted to using footage of an actual implosion with the audio stripped in order to get a favorable side-by-side comparison with footage of the fall of 7.

Not to mention the internal damage required to plant said explosives.

“Huh, someone has come into my office while I was out and stripped away almost all of the plasterboard for my office. The wiring has been yanked to get to that column-thing. And now there is a wood box covering some copper bands around a brick of something, and yellow cord running from it out of my office. Wonder if I can hang my coat on it?”

Dude. You’re simply underestimating the depth of this conspiracy! The charges were placed during construction. Wheels within wheels…

Actually the Jewish Reptile aliens used contrail mind control drugs to get the planes to fly into the towers to prevent the Illuminati and Freemasons from detonating the Dilithium thermite charges that they planted in every building constructed after 476 C.E.

Not to give any credence to this degree of nutballism, but I read a novel years ago where the protagonist was setting up a long-term extortion plot. He did indeed salt a building under construction with explosives, and did so by disguising them as “structural monitoring modules - do not touch.” The compartmentation of construction, and the union rules involved, meant that no one paid the slightest attention, or touched them, until they were sprayed into anonymity with fire-retardant and sealed up in the walls.

Damn, those Illuminati are clever. :smiley:

It’s been 12+ years, and in all this time I’ve never understood what the incentive is to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. The US government killed thousands of people, destroyed the health of thousands more, wrecked the economy of New York City and severely damaged the economy of the United States, and for what?

Also, if it were an inside job, there would be thousands of people who knew the details. The conspiracy spread over several states and involved several buildings. Yet not a single piece of paper has ever been found detailing the conspiracy, and the only people to come forward to say it was an inside job are people on the outside, wanting it to be one.

Last, Osama Bin Laden claimed credit. There IS documented evidence that his organization had tried something of this magnitude before, so why is it so impossible to believe that he tried again and succeeded?

You don’t even need to argue scientific findings to debunk the conspiracy theory. Why so many people are so invested in trying to convince someone of something so patently absurd is incomprehensible to me.

Doors, all conspiracy theories are to give the believers a sense of superiority and a simple, obvious handle on complex, murky, sometimes inexplicable acts.

They don’t want to believe they could have been standing atop WTC when a small group of fanatics attacked it for convoluted political reasons; they want to believe it took a massive conspiracy of those they hate, so complicated that it couldn’t happen to them. They don’t want to believe in a lone gunman, or two disturbed and fanatic young brothers, or a captain being urged to set a speed record… because those things could happen to them.

You did realize I was kidding, right? The reference to the “degree of nutballism” makes it a little unclear.

Ah, so we go from "Hush-a-Boom brand explosives to ‘Ne’er Expire’ brand demolition explosives! Genius!

Then there was the twoofer argument that the charges were planted during the fire. You had people very seriously proposing that it could be done with ‘half a dozen guys with backpacks!’.

I write seem don’t clearly able be to-today.

The conspiracy theories are nuts.

No explosives were built into the WTC towers.

I was just throwing in an amusing sidelight and probably shouldn’t have bothered. :slight_smile:

It’s made by ACME! Of course it lasts forever. Just don’t use it if you’re a coyote.

Duh. nano-thermite. It’s small!

It isn’t that hard. You think the entire rest of the world that is smart enough to do this is just being hoodwinked?

I assume most of the people that believe this think it is one of those false flag things. Do they happen - yes. What is the rational reason here? We have OBL admitting to it on video? Is he in on it? He hated the Saudis - not the Iraqis. Why was he in on it?>>
It isn’t that hard to train people what to talk about or not. Covering up a conspiracy is plausible. That part of the argument as ammunition could be proven false. I look at how I’m sworn to patient privacy, it’s pretty hammered in there, if you talk, you’re out, and out for good. No one wants to be blacklisted. People inherently know which subjects they can leak on and ones they can’t. I’ve seen subjects that my colleagues know not to even say one word - don’t even blink if you hear it.

Combine that with some good ole mind control and hypnotic suggestions, eh? eh? :smiley:

I actually think it’s a conspiracy within a conspiracy. The real conspiracy is actually that certain power organizations used nine eleven conspiracy to create a distraction. It’s like a sacrifice, if the evil is being ferreted out over here, no need to wonder whether or not taking out that third mortgage is a good idea - we’re taking care of those slippery bad guys. Okay I’m not serious. But the juxtaposition of these two creates a powerful snapshot of our insanity here in the US. I just don’t understand. Why can’t the conspirators find the real shifty events that are happening. Okay I’m sorry, off topic.

Is it possible that JFK had a miniature dilithium thermite charge planted in his skull at some prior point to Dallas? Maybe during a Navy physical while in the service, or even when he was born? Just asking the question.

Ah, yes. The explosive-coated rebar 9/11 theory. The reason all the floor spabs were destroyed is the rebar was coated with C-4 before the concrete was poured, ensuring the concrete would be obliterated.

And no, I’m not making that CT up. It’s floating out there.

Ya know, somehow, deep down, I knew that I couldn’t come up with something crazy enough that it hadn’t already been floated. Damn. :mad:

dasmoocher, it’s been nice knowing you. I figure you’re already scheduled for “collection”. Sorry man.