gonzomax has singlehandedly raised an entire straw village in this thread.
Question is, will he pay the $75 per strawman for fire protection?
That’s really the best/worst part of this whole retarded exercise. Lots of condemnation, and lots of hindsight analysis, but not one person willing to pony up the $75 to prevent the next house from burning to the ground.
gonzomax has no problem telling a municipal fire department what they should have done during the last fire. But what about the next one?
Cranick himself is still living on his property in a trailer. Which is just as flammable, and is just as much in need of fire protection. Do you think he’s paid the $75 for this year?
There are still residents of Obion County that opted out of the subscription service. And there are still neighbouring fire departments that are owed money.
Here’s a new should have, gonzomax should have paid for Cranick’s subscription, instead of sitting around with his dick in his hand. And while he’s at it, he needs to pay for Cranick’s garbage collection, and daycare for the idiot grandson. Put up, or shut up.
The rest of us get called heartless bastards, because we don’t give a shit about the choices Cranick makes. If he wants to burn garbage, and he wants to keep his $75, that’s fine. It also means that he wants to risk losing everything he owns. Nothing I nor the fire department can do about that.
Oh yes they can. They can put it out. Then charge him for doing it. That is the best decision.
I am sure you have intimate knowledge of Cranick, that I don’t share, otherwise you would not be saying what he thinks, believes or be able to make a personality judgment.
But I don’t care what kind of guy he is. What I care about is what kind of society we have. In my world, we put fires out and save animals. Then we get the money back.
If we don’t get it back, we are still a better society if we take care of our people. It is not every man for himself’
Then of course in your world ,no mistakes will ever be made. There will be no clerical error or a communication breakdown resulting in a fire that is actually covered being wrongly identified and left to burn. But that would be OK, as long as a bad guy like Cranick learns his lesson.
I’m just confused as to why the firemen wouldn’t let the family rescue their animals, that doesn’t seem right to me. In my world, if you have several little kittens meowing at a window screen in terror it doesn’t seem right to slam the window shut instead of just opening it even though they don’t have any money. 
If you don’t get the money back, you don’t have ANY fire department service for ANYONE, and ALL of their houses and animals and people get to burn because they don’t have anybody to call anymore.
Wow, just wow.
17 pages and you still don’t get it. What will it take for YOU to learn a lesson.
As for Cranick, most of us have a pretty good idea of what he’s thinking BECAUSE HE SAID IT IN AN INTERVIEW. Good damn you are dense.
And as for “your world:” it would consist of an underfunded fire department, resulting in
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houses burning down. Nice fucking world jack ass.
In my world, we fund the fire department BEFORE we need them to put out fires. That way they are
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able to put out fires. For some reason, you’re just too fucking stupid, and too fucking lazy, to actually realize what’s going on. But here we are again, correcting you in the hope that maybe this time, maybe this post, is the one that will cause you to wake the fuck up.
No, that in no way is a good decision. Which is what we’ve been telling you for 17 pages now. It is a shitty decision. It is also just one of many shitty decisions in a long list of shitty decisions.
that’s right, because we watched the interviews and read the articles. if you weren’t so fucking lazy you’d do the same thing, then realize what the fuck is going on here. instead you troll. it’s really the only description for what you’re doing. how many times now have we corrected your nonsense. and again you’ll post the same shit as if you’re just a bot.
Bullshit. In your world, people would pay less than 50% of the time. In your world, the fire department would be underfunded. In your world society would be worse off. In your world houses would burn because there wouldn’t be enough resources.
Thank god we’re not in your make-believe bullshit fantasy world, or a lot more houses would burn, and a lot more animals would die.
I now humbly await your next retarded verbal diarrhea about how we claim to know what Cranick is thinking, and how much better you are than all of us because you wouldn’t let his house burn.
But you did, you were the one that didn’t bother to chip in the $75, and you’re still refusing to chip in the $75. It’s your fault the fire department didn’t put out the fire. You SHOULD HAVE paid his subscription fee, instead of bitching about in on the internet after the fact.
So tell us, why haven’t you bother to look out for the rest of the people in his community? Isn’t that what happens in your world? There are still people that haven’t paid the $75, why aren’t you looking out for them? What kind of a heartless bastard are you that you’ll let more houses burn?
Kind of like how emergency rooms treat people with no insurance, then charge them for doing it?
They’re required to do this by statute, and they lose a lot of money doing it. RFDs don’t have the deep pockets hospitals do. If they rely on charging people after the fact, they’ll go broke.
Yeah, I’m being redundant. Pit me for it, whydontya?
Who knows, maybe THAT was the post gonzomax reads, understands, and reflects on.
Probably not though.
My contention is that one way or another, the fire dept. would have gotten the money. He said he would pay. His neighbor offered to pay. But you just stupidly say over and over, that they would not get paid.
If you go to an emergency room without coverage, you will get sent a bill. The mandate is that they have to make you stable. They do not have to provide more than that. They also will send you a bill. Most bankruptcies in America, only America has this problem, are caused by health costs. How damn ignorant are you?
http://www.tfgi.com/201003/the-top-five-causes-for-bankruptcy/
I will add my promise to give you $1,000,000 if you admit you are wrong gonzomax. We’re up to 3 million cool dollars now! One way or another, you’ll get your money! What a deal!
If you lose your hand to the woodchipper, the emergency room will save your life and stitch you up. Your insurance will then get you a nice prosthetic that would make Steve Austin jealous, and pay for the emergency room. No insurance? Enjoy your hook (or stump, or whatever happens to the uninsured).
I’ve no doubt if, when Cranick called, there was someone trapped in the house, the firemen would have rolled and done everything possible to save someone (this assumes that whomever takes the call relays the danger to the fire department - I don’t know what their checklist says about that). One does not think about money at that time. However, saving what might have been left of the house. What for? Does anyone know if there was any house remaining to be saved? For all we know, it could already have been a lost cause.
Your contention is wrong. It has been proven that payment is made in less than 50% of cases. It is the reason that the other fire departments still operating on a pay-per-fire system are switching to the subscription system. It is also the reason why the rest of the civilized world funds their fire departments through some form of taxation.
Cranick choose the system he took part it, and choose to opt out.
Ironically enough, you mention bankruptcy. Is that what you want for Cranick? Would that teach him a lesson? If it isn’t about the money…
ETA Woohoo page 18 and still fighting ignorance, it’s taking longer than I thought.
gonzo is ignorance incarnate. You can no more fight his ignorance than you can push back the ocean.
You do realize you’ve utterly contradicted yourself above, yes?
True dat. Anyone attempting to argue with him should really read this thread as a warning.
I agree he should have paid the fee. I agree the system is a damnably stupid one with very little benefit and a large risk. Sometimes you act because it is the right thing to do. These firemen failed to act in spite of their ‘rules’ Cranick lost his trailer and the FD lost face. It’s on the order of ‘fuck you, pay me’. That’s not how any firefighter worth his salt should act.
I’ll add my $1,000,000 to the pot too ('course I don’t actually intend to pay, so someone else will have to pick up the slack . . . maybe gonzomax could? He does have 3,000,000 in the “bank”! ;))
CMC fnord!
Holy shit, this link just explained gonzo to me completely. This is all about trust for him. He is pissed off because no one trusted Cranick to pay the costs after the fire. In the other thread he is pissed because banks demand you pay the interest for a loan (mostly) up front instead of trusting that they will get it all over the length of your loan. It is all about him believing that we as people should completely trust one another at their word. If I borrow from a bank they should just trust that I will pay them what I told them I would pay them and if I tell someone I will give them money later when I’m having an emergency now they should just trust I will feel the same way once the emergency has passed.
In a perfect world you would be right, gonz. Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world and often times people refuse to pay bills they’ve agreed to pay, whether it is because they thought better of it or because they don’t have the money to do so. This is why people feel so little sympathy for Cranick, because he had numerous opportunities to pay for the service and ignored it time and again until he had a pressing need. He proved himself to be one of those real world people who don’t pay what they’ve promised. Those people who don’t pay what they’ve promised use up resources so that the fire department can’t help those who paid their dues and the banks don’t have the money to lend to those who would borrow and pay them back. He is a financial sink hole where you can’t just keep helping and loaning and giving because you can see you will never be able to get what you are owed. As much as it sucks to not be able to trust some people you can’t just walk into financial situations blind or they will just take everything you’ve got and leave you unable to help others who need it. Does that make sense?
Answer. If they put his home out and saved the dogs, but charged him 5K to do it. All the people around would think, I don’t want to pay that much money, when I could pay 75 bucks. Incentive. Saving the home and dogs while charging 5 K, would absolutely not result in the members of the community not paying. You guys can stop that wrong argument anytime now.
That last thread was closed with the admonishment that if he kept it up, gonzo would be warned.
Anybody wonder if he ever was?