Hence “degenerating.” I hope we have resolved the “is it a riot or isn’t it?” thing, but maybe I’m wrong.
Once again, you are wrong and easily proven so. I never “asserted” any such thing. My original post:
*Maybe they were planning to really fill the place up…until reports of rioting and rape began leaking out of the damn SuperDome. **It looks to me ** like you’d be putting a dangerous crowd into another explosive situation. 5000 *might ** be an easier number to handle.
Understand? OK. Good.
I forgot to answer this vile strawman. I am a single man living in a smallish one-bedroom apartment in Denver, Colorado. If someone from New Orleans wends their way the 1400 miles to the couch in my living room, they are welcome to it.
Point taken. You said maybe. Weasely as it is, it still fails as you have not established points one and two, or any reasonable link to a “maybe” decision if you had established points one and two.
And I’m still waiting for that retraction, you mealy-mouthed motherfucker. Got it? Good.
You master of innuendo, you.
You know what? I should’ve replaced “riot” with “murder.” It scans so much better.
As for your retraction? Bite me.
Obviously, most people just want a safe place to be. That being said, there was definitely rioting. When an angry mob drives away 88 members of the National Guard, that’s a riot, no matter how you look at it.
It makes sense to keep the concentration down and try to spread folks out – because inhuman conditions naturally lead to rioting. I can hardly comprehend the logistics of trying to find safe refuges for all those people in a timely manner.
Stephe96 is being an ass by laying it all at the feet of the refugees. “Murdering, raping crowd” invites a fallacy of division. Obviously, the crowd isn’t mostly murderers or rapists, but if you jam that many stressed-out people into one place, you’re going to get a powder-keg that’s going to lead to rioting, raping, and murdering. Unless we want that for the refugees, it’s better to spread 'em out.
I’m wondering if that might actually be how things shake out. I am in NC which is a bit closer. With over 1,000,000 refugees there is a need for a lot of beds. I have a small house I could lend out and bunk with a friend if need be.
You just don’t get the logic thing, do you? Proving that the crowd is murderous is much more difficult than proving it is riotous. It is all well and good to reach outside one’s grasp, but you really should try to stay in the same county with it.
You have made a scurrilous accusation and refused to defend it. Were there any doubts remaining concerning your character they have been erased.
You know, another way to put the question might be this: why couldn’t a crowd of some 16,000 (mostly) nice people manage to prevent 12 murders and six rapes?
Believe me, I’ll sleep just fine at night knowing that a fuckface like you has problems with my “character.”
Oh, and good luck with your ‘guests.’
I watched on live TV.
I must say that given the conditions that these folks have been living in for the past few days.
Promised some better conditions at a new location hundreds of miles from home.
Upon reaching that new better place, large numbers were told that they were not welcome.
They were EXTEMELY calm and under controll of their senses.
There was NO rioting or anger. Most were just tired and hungry. Just looking for a place to rest for a few hours and maybe something to eat.
When the busses began rolling again there was only hope and relief on most of the faces.
Hopefullty the demeanor there will be more civil than I have seen recently on this board.
How could they be expected to? Put yourself there. Whaddya gonna do, Superman?
Yes, that is. My apologies for not having my whole attention here, I was also transcribing a tape for an article I need to finish for tomorrow morning.
Try this for logic, moron. I would change ‘riot’ to ‘murder’ because morons like you have trouble comprehending what a riot is actually like. Since nobody in the article used the word ‘riot,’ thus providing a simpleton like yourself with ‘proof,’ I would substitute the word ‘murder.’ After all, even as stupid as you seem to be, even you cannot deny that there were, in fact, murders committed in the Superdome.
Now. Do you “get the logic thing?”
I have not seen that cited in this thread. Can you point me to it?
Since when do 18 (or fewer) people out of 20,000+ constitute a “crowd”? You’ve mentioned 18 crimes, so even assuming each crime was committed by a separate individual, do you honestly believe that 18 people in the midst of 20,000+ are a “crowd”?
And for the record, I’d be happy to put up some folks at my place. Beats seeing them starve or die.
If you actually believe that every single individual who was displaced by the hurricane is a criminal, then you’re utterly ignorant. Tell me why those dehydrated babies are criminals. Tell me why those terrified toddlers are in the wrong.
I’m glad that you’ve been able to live in your ivory palace for your entire life, but not everyone is born into royalty, princess. Perhaps someday you’ll understand what it’s like to be old, or disabled, or poor, or god forbid, unwanted.
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I dunno, why can’t a society of 280,000,000 (mostly) nice people manage to prevent hundreds of thousands of murders and rapes?
You are just embarassing yourself here. Your point was that the crowd was exhibiting a particular behavior. Fort the crowd to be murderous you would have to show that a significant portion of 16,000 people had committed murders, or at the very least participated in them. That is why the burden of proof is higher. You continue to pesist in this delusion that the behavior of the few describes the behavior of the many, and that the many should be made to suffer for it.
Just let me know when you’re ready to admit it is/was a riot. I’ll go back to using that word.
Well which is it, for fuck’s sake? Show me the cite for the riot. And have you abandoned the murderous crowd charge, or do plan to hold it in reserve?
It certainly wasn’t/isn’t a riot this afternoon when they were being loaded into buses. I was watching. It was quite orderly.
Whoops… Looking for an article, I realize now that that was at the Convention centre, not the Superdome.