Paying your fair share of taxes is like burning your neighborhood down? You’re making no sense here.
No, I do not admit that, and neither does the Supreme Court, as you may have heard. It *is * constitutional (period), like it or not.
Even with those costs not yet in effect? And in excess of the costs they’re already paying for sponsored health insurance, as a necessary cost of simply attracting and retaining employees here in the free market? Wrong again.
*Nobody *is on Obamacare until January 1. Calling it a failure already, as you insist on doing, is based on imagined data, shall we call it.
Oh, I see, suddenly we’ve swung back to the “vets can’t visit the memorials” propaganda. I thought you dropped that unfounded line of complaint when I quoted the guy who arranges the Honor Flights saying that the visits have been going well – mostly because you started complaining about 21 people trespassing at the Grand Canyon.
So now you’re back to complaining about vets who ARE visiting the memorials? Why are you complaining about veterans’ access to memorials when they are actually visiting the memorials? Where is the problem, and why the hell do you keep complaining about something that’s a non-issue?
People are free to give a fuck or not about Benghazi, either way I understand (even if my own opinion is that it’s a bunch of crap). What I don’t understand is why people seem to give even half of one re: this stupid NPS business.
I’m fairly confident they’ve had the opportunity to pay their respects to their dead friends once or twice before. Like, over the past 60 years or so. Visiting old graves today isn’t going to lighten a load they’ve borne their entire lives.
So quit draping yourself in *their *flag, why don’t you ?
Besides, as I understand the organized veteran tours were given a special dispensation, like, 30 seconds after their plight was brought to the public consciousness by some senator or other. So, again : why is this still making the news ?!
It didn’t exist 60 years ago, or 10 years ago. It opened in 2004 and the program to connect the vets to it are for those who otherwise couldn’t visit it.
Sorry that bothers you but it’s newsworthy when a vet in a wheelchair is denied viewing a public monument. It’s an open space walkway located between the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Monument. It would be like closing Trafalgar Square in London.
And had this been the first WW2 monument ever, you might have had a point there.
Beyond that, for what seems to be the umpteenth time : the vets aren’t denied a thing. They’re allowed in. They’re literally the only ones allowed in. Why are you still ringing that bell ?
The guy who arranges the Honor Flights for these vets in wheelchairs said, “We’ve had no problems at all,” and that the Park Service has been “very cooperative and very polite.”
I know (well, I didn’t know but I assumed as much, it’s not like they were going to dig up old bones and relocate them in 2004 :)), but all memorials are metaphorical graves, aren’t they ?
ETA : err, symbolical rather than metaphorical might be the better word here. Pick one
(oh, and I assumed Arlington and similar national cemetaries might be closed right now, as well. I know the WW2 graveyards of US servicemen here in France that are administered by the US are closed ATM.)
I don’t think that Obama unilaterally shut down the memorial but it just makes sense that the government wouldn’t want to shut down the absolute least noticeable functions, right? It’s a good strategy for ending shut downs sooner for both parties. They shouldn’t try to hide furloughs. What’s there to be gained besides even deeper furloughs?
I don’t think there’s an incentive to shut down the most noticeable things either, because then the thing on people’s minds would be all the other things they could have shut down. I think there’s a sweet spot of plausible non-essentiality.
I also think it’s interesting how a private firm has got sort of the opposite incentive. Like, I saw some candy bar that was “Two for the Price of One!”, but both bars together were smaller than a regular size. They’ll try really hard to hide the fact that you’re actually getting less. If the government did that, it’d make it worse. It’s a little interesting to me.
The evidence that the park service closed the memorial was posted. Nice try. The fact that it was in Barry’s back yard seems to mean the difference between looking the other way and the arrests made at national parks elsewhere which was also cited.
The evidence that veterans were afforded full access to the memorials has been posted, and you refuse to acknowledge it. If you are in profound denial about the basic facts of the events, your opinions on the matter are worthless.
It’s like if a liberal got riled up that “plastic guns” can be snuck through metal detectors, you might point out that all such guns are, in fact, found by metal detectors. If liberals keep repeating, “but the guns are PLASTIC!” doesn’t make them right and you wrong.
Similarly, repeating over and over “But there were Barrycades!” doesn’t mean veterans were denied access. I saw vets at the memorials, the guy organizing the honor flights said thee were no problems, and you’ve just bought in to a fake story to manufacture outrage.
