Fine by me. I just added my two cents.
I don’t think so. That remark wasn’t worth two fucking Turkish lira, let alone two cents.
There is an organization called Alley Cat Allies that advocates the catching/fixing/releasing of feral cats. The idea is that killing them just causes new cats to move into the territory and reproduce while fixing and releasing them keeps new (fertile) cats from moving in while controlling the population. Their thesis is that killing feral cats just makes the problem worse. I’m not advocating this POV (though I do buy it to some extent), I’m just relaying it as it seems germane to the “conversation.”
Doors that was weak. This thread and your two cents have nothing what-so-fucking-ever to do with one another. Put your spoon down and go away, goon.
Stray cats can be a problem. But that is what animal services should be able to deal with. If animal services are not doing their job, then perhapse there is some reason to capture strays and deliver them to pet rescue centers to deal with them as appropriate. Too many strays in an area can and do decimate the bird population in that area so I am not convinced fixing and rereleasing is a good idea. But taking it upon yourself to kill strays is very unlikely to be a good idea (excpet perhapse for farmers, maybe)
Here are some places in Ohio that spay and neuter feral cats. The theory, as pointed out by LateComer, is that the colonies will eventually disappear.
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Exactly. I’ve known people who trapped feral cats and taken them to the animal shelter because they were ravaging the bird population, but I think if they had told me they’d drowned the cats I’d be hard pressed not to slap them starstruck, and would avoid them like the plague ever after. I have hopes that Xema will be rational and humane in finding a solution to the predation problem, but Crafter_Man is unrepentent. Xema at least can see some reason and has discarded the idea of putting poison out. If he does take the strays to the shelter, chances are they can be fostered and eventually find a good home.
But he was trapping cats the could have been neighbors pets. Taking them to the animal shelter gives the owner of a lost pet a chance, albiet small, to find their friend.
I agree that pets should be controlled, but pets escape, occasionally. By just randomly trapping any cat that wanders by, he’s also destroying someone else’s property. That’s theft and vandalisim, at least.
Before someone goes on about the pet owner breaking the law too, be aware that some states don’t have leash or licence laws for cats. California considers, (or did when I lived there in the 90’s) all cats wild life.
These fuckwads who are so proudly and belligerently crowing about how they remorselessy tortured cats to death, or would if they had the chance, while disingenuously denying that it is torture, are sadistic pieces of shit. They won’t admit it, of course, but deep down they know it’s true. That a non-dangerous animal had the audacity to come onto their property just gives them the excuse they need. Then they act all aghast and indignant when someone suggests there might have been an alternative; it’s their right to kill helpless creatures.
And the excuse that cats kill birds is just that – an excuse. So out of the goodness of their hearts they take it upon themselves to protect these poor widdle birdies that are being killed…by killing other animals. Right, that makes a lot of fucking sense. :rolleyes: That’s the kind of “logic” abortion clinic bombers use.
Anyone who does any harm whatsoever to my cats WILL have the exact same thing done to him. Think that makes me the nut? Fuck you.
Comitting a felony to get revenge on someone who harms your cat is just as sick as harming the cat in the first place.
They’re animals. Should we torture them? No. Should we view them as equals? No. It’s all about that happly place in the middle between the fruitcake viewpoint and the sick fucking psychopath viewpoint.
Right, and while I still am willing to give Xema the benefit of the doubt (provided he realizes WHY poisoning these animals is a bad idea), Crafter_Man is fair game.
And the gobshites who let their cats roam across gardens digging up plants and shitting everywhere are nothing but vandals.
For the record, domestic cats, whether feral, “stray” (not really different from feral in my book), or “outdoor” pets, have a very serious effect on native wildlife.
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Certainly control measures should be undertaken in the most humane way that is both practical and economically feasible. (For the record, I don’t think that includes drowning captured individuals). Unfortunately, sentimentality about these introduced predators can often make controlling their populations much more difficult and expensive. Those who are defending “animal rights” on behalf of cats are really just making a value judgement that these animals are more valuable than the many native species that they kill and whose continued existence they threaten.
I knew someone was going to say this.
Look, my cats are sweet, gentle, affectionate little creatures, and I’m rather attached to them. That doesn’t make me a fruitcake, that makes me a typical pet owner. Right or wrong, I would have an emotional reaction if someone hurt them.
It seems to me that a lot of you are judging people in other circumstances by your own morality. I grew up in rural Saskatchewan - farmers look after their animals, they do not torture animals, but they would kill an unwanted cat in a heartbeat. That doesn’t make them sociopaths - they just have a different outlook than you. If Crafter_Man was raised this way, I wouldn’t consider him a sociopath, either.
As a city-dweller, I would trap unwanted cats on my yard and take them to the shelter. But I’m not going to judge people in other situations.
As for housepets getting trapped, if my indoor cats are in Xema’s yard, I’m right behind them, trying to catch them and get them back in the house. If your cats are roaming in an area where it’s not allowed (like here), what happens to them is your responsibility.
Okay, let me clarify here. This is an issue that has a lot of gray areas.
If a stray/wild animal is passing through your property in search of food or shelter, I see no problem with that. To kill it just because it was there would be cruel. If they’re not directly bothering you, just let them be, and they’ll likely move on.
If that same animal makes threatening moves towards you or others, or tries to attack you, you have every right to defend yourself. This may include killing it.
If it is simply hanging around your property looking for food and runs when you approach, thereby not causing harm to you but simply being a “nuisance”, then call animal control. There are other options to take before it comes down to killing. But don’t kill out of cruelty or because you felt like it and the animal was there…that’s just wrong.
And, to the mention that it was hoped that Crafter_Man didn’t kill any cats with collars…if someone’s indoor pet had escaped, it may very well have not have a collar. I know several people whose indoor cats don’t wear collars. So it’s entirely possible he could have killed someone’s pet.
So naturally the cats deserve to die horribly. The plants must be avenged!
I’m gonna hate myself for this, but…
I drowning your cat!
So how did the farmers kill them? Did they trap them and then submerge them in an icy Saskatchewan stream?