Really.
And she didn’t go out with her friend Friday night, and they left early on Saturday, and no one shot anyone else in the face with a shotgun. Seems your friend is doing some thing right.
Why? Do you think she’d use it? You should probably tell someone about your concerns if that’s the case.
At the risk of appearing to condone child abuse, there is a perception among many people that when DCS gets involved often all that happens is that the child just moves from one abuser to another.
I know that is not an accurate view, but I’ve talked with enough survivors of the system to say that there’s enough truth to it that you can’t say that people are being delusion, rather than overstating a known flaw.
When the choices are percieved to keep the child in an abusive situation, but one where the observer can (whether this is the truth or not) act to mitigate the abuse, or to act and send the child to a roulette game where there’s no ability of the observer to affect things… I can understand the thinking behind it.
ETA: I do not agree with that thinking, but I can understand how people can make come to that decision. (Of course, usually done without ever talking to the child involved…)
I do believe that the vast majority of people involved with both foster care, and the DCS, are acting out of the best of motives, to the best of their abilities. I also believe that because of the fact that demand always outstrips available resources, it’s distressingly easy for the minority that are monsters to hide in the system.
How long has it been since the last case of a well-regarded foster care family was found to be keeping the children given to it in kennels or cages for ease of control? 
I don’t know if it’s normal, but fap fap fap fap fap.
Of course she could just wait a few years and get even.
I don’t understand your response here - are you saying this situation turns you on?
A lot of guys are into young, assertive women.
It is one of the more rough and tumble sections of the Mon Valley, which is saying a lot. And it is just a stone’s throw from a basically identical neighborhood in nearby McKeesport where a school security guard in 1996 decided to hide away a 14 year old girl he was sleeping with.
He somehow convinced a friend of his who styled hair to dye her hair black - this woman just got a prison term as well. Then he hid her on the top floor of his parents’ house, which they were living in, and basically used her for ten years.
Now, I know things like this happen lots of places. But when you have a couple of cases where people knew and either didn’t say anything or became accomplices in the act, you have to ask hard questions.
I’m a native of the area - I lived there until I was 23. So I’m as good a person to ask as any.
Yeah, that song went thru my head when I was reading that article.
I’ll see you and raise you. I also read the article in the Post-Gazette yesterday and I was reading the follow up when I clicked on this link. I live and work in the Pittsburgh area where this happened. When I went to lunch yesterday, I heard “Janie’s Got a Gun” on the radio on one of the stations where people call in lunch requests. I thought about Pitting this, but thought maybe this was something others could be spared.
Mr. Moto’s right. In this city, there’s a strong streak which leads to people minding their own business and not being “nebby” [nosy]. My father taught me the quote, “All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good to do nothing.” People chose to do nothing.
I will see you that and raise you this !http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=146&objectid=10454147.
I honestly think this is the first time I’ve seem “nebby” used in a sentence since 1983 by someone other than a family member.
I heard an interview with one of the cops. The two kids (Shooter and her brother) were so dirty and flea infested that the police department had to have their premises fumigated.
The girl should get a marksmanship trophy.
ETA: Neby really takes me back. I thought it was proper English as a child growing up in Pittsburgh.
You mean he hasn’t been shot in the face?
Nebnose was big across the state in Philly too when I was a kid. “Rett up a room” ? That’s ALL yins, kid. All yins.
No, I don’t think she should have gotten the shotgun, I was being sarcastic. My point was that 13 year olds don’t always have the most logical reasons for the things they do. I’m not saying her life was hunky-dory, I’m just saying that when a 13 year old says they “just can’t take it anymore,” it doesn’t mean they’re being sexually abused or molested, necessarily. It could just mean they didn’t get their way.
People say a lot of things, and it rarely means anything. When children intentionally shoot people, that’s a pretty good indication that they’ve been abused, because that’s why children do things like that.
Not teaching your child not to shoot people is neglect. Teaching them to hide it when they do shoot someone is abuse.
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If you’ve raised your kid to think shooting you in the face with a shotgun is a proper (or acceptable) counter argument when they “just don’t get their way” you’ve fucked up and deserve it.
I really don’t think I can be persuaded otherwise, so continued argument probably isn’t going to be productive.
Eh, you’re being too hard on the guy. I’m sure he had every intention of sitting her down and having that crucial father-daughter “don’t shoot me in the face” talk, but just hadn’t gotten around to it yet. Probably thought he had plenty of time; it used to be that a girl reached at least fifteen or sixteen before she shot her dad in the face.
But children are so precocious these days. And how do you answer a kid who asks “what’s the big deal? Vice President Cheney did it!”
I had a talk with my 13 year old (son) recently about love/etc. A friend of his was “disowned” by his father over a (IMO) fairly trivial matter. I knew the whole situation was troubling him, and I pointed out that there was nothing he could do that would cause me to stop loving him.
The smart ass called me last night and asked if that included a shotgun blast to the face. He gets that from me, so I just laugh.