Yo-Yo Ma: The Std Operating Procedure Sucks

It seems to me that there are two types of public musical performances that each have different standards with regards to the performers and expectations on the part of the audience:

  1. Musical concerts. These are events at which the music is the primary focus of the event. The audience is expecting that the sounds they are hearing are being produced in front of them, live, by the performers that they see on the stage. Some genres allow for pre-recording looping or electronic effects. Lip-synching in these venues is pretty much strictly forbidden, and any act that was caught doing it would probably be lampooned and see concert sales plummet.

  2. Spectacles in which music is just part of the overall effect. This includes parades, Olympic ceremonies, and the inauguration. Audiences expect to be entertained by the enormity of the proceedings and by various forms of visual and musical stimulation. Slight-of-hand is expected (or at least not forbidden), including lip-synching. Even performances that would not necessarily be hindered by the elements can be pre-recorded and pantomimed.

Traditionally, variety shows and awards shows were considered #2 but after the Milli Vanilli fiasco (which was really a different issue - it wasn’t even their voices) it seems the audience expectations have changed (see: SNL Ashley Simpson incident).

See, I would not consider the musical component of an inauguration fall under category two. An inauguration is a solemn and important occasion, and the music is not to entertain the audience, but to honor the country, the office, and the inauguree. I would consider it more akin to a worship service than a half-time show. I would be equally put out to find that an organist at church was miming the playing or the choir was using backing tracks. Again, there is a case to be made for using recorded music in both settings, but creating a charade seems to send the wrong message for the occasion.

Also, as I said, I don’t think classical chamber music typically uses slight-of-hand in any venue. It would be like using special film effects instead of fireworks at a televised celebration. Oh wait . . . .

Yes, but you’re ignoring the fact that church organists and chamber music are almost always held indoors. Where one does not usually find strong winds, inclement weather, or extreme heat or cold. This was not the case for the inauguration, Olympics, parades, etc.

And what would happen if they were? There are religions in which ceremonies take place outdoors. I’ve heard of recorded muezzin calls to prayer at mosques. I’ve never heard of a guy standing there miming to such a recording. I’ve seen recorded music being played at Hindu religious ceremonies. I’ve never seen people with instruments miming along.

Inconvenience is not a justification for deception. As I said before, just because you can’t play live is not a sufficient justification for you to pretend to play live.

Must have been a real bitch playing to a crowd of a million people without amplification.

How do you know it was impressive? If the sound was terrible (even if due to the weather), it wasn’t impressive. IF what you heard was a recording, the it was a fantastic recording not a performance. Unless you mean the sight of them playing was impressive (if it’d been Vanessa Mae…).
The could’ve been playing the theme from Backyardigans and still you wouldn’t have noticed.


Most people don’t care, I understand. But if I make a point of playing classical music wit a world-known guys, I want to hear him playing now, not what he played in a studio in Kuala Lumpur in 2004.

If they’d announced you were going to hear the Berlin Symphonic Orchestra playing the *2nd movement of C. P. E. Bach’s 3rd concert for Oboe and Basson in C# minor **and brought 100 guys with instruments, you want the guys to play live or not at all…“sorry, you know, we don’t know the piece that well so we won’t even bother to tune up, we’ll just look very classic-y and plug my iPod and you see a fantastic performance”.


  • …when the really good movement is the first and played by the Hamburg guys.

The reality is that he played the instrument while the recording was going on. And I’ve used heaters outdoors in much colder weather to great success. So by all means, enlighten me why someone who was **ALREADY **playing the instrument in the cold would be incovenienced by heated comfort.

So then there isn’t a cultural norm for pantomiming classical music outdoors? So what is wrong with asking to be informed of what is going on rather than being deceived?

On the other hand, if it really is so obvious that they couldn’t possibly have played under those conditions, then the whole thing seems farcical, like someone’s earlier suggestion of having images ice ballet dancers matted onto the image of the reflecting pool.

I’m not convinced that: 1) they couldn’t have played adequately under the circumstances (after all, they did play, and some people could hear them), 2) that some form of outdoor shelter and heating couldn’t have created a uniform temperature, 3) that no one should have expected them to play live for the crowd or have been surprised that they didn’t, or 4) that the Master of Ceremonies and/or the media shouldn’t have told the audience what they were seeing.

I assume they had jumbotrons for the crowd anyway. Why not broadcast images of the recording session or of a live concert indoors? Again, I don’t think fooling the audience, however noble the motives or routine the process, sets the right tone for a new Presidential administration.

No, it’s not. Sorry, but that’s not what the word “mimed” means.

Yes, they played, but it probably sounded like shit. See my first post in this thread where I thought I covered that.

Oh, see I assumed that when they were recorded, they were performing. Whatever, you can pick nits all you like for all I care.

Yes, you did. I’m just not convinced, is all. If they really sounded that shitty, I think they would have just mimed silently, rather than subject the nearby audience to their screeching. (Was Obama close enough to hear them? I don’t know where they were relative to the stage.) It’s only one point out of four, anyway. If they really couldn’t play, why not acknowledge it or have them play a private concert for the President after the inauguration, or any number of other things rather than create an illusion for the audience as if they’re just putting on a show for the rubes rather than participating in a solemn event?

I’ve gone back and forth on this issue quite a bit in my head over the course of reading this thread, and I think I’ve finally decided that I agree in principle with acsenray. I found out a couple of days ago that a recording was played, and while I thought it was a bit silly (and still do) to have them pretend as if they sound we were hearing was being produced live, I couldn’t think of what I would have preferred them to do. After all, most people around the country (and even many who were there in person) were watching these events on a television screen, and what would they have shown while playing the recording?

But the more I think about it, the more I would have appreciated introducing the musicians on stage, maybe having them say something about the piece and explaining (briefly) why they wouldn’t be performing it live, and then just having the recording play. I would then have been perfectly happy with the cameras showing random audience shots while we heard the music. Maybe pop up some points of trivia about the music at the same time. I don’t really like the idea that someone has made the decision for me that I’ll be happier with the pretense.

The analogy I come up with is when I watch my local morning news, and the anchors will sometimes cut to a pre-recorded piece done by another anchor, but they pretend to be interacting live with that person:

*Anchor 1 [live]: And now we’ll turn to Sam Rubin to bring us today’s entertainment news. Hey, Sam!

Sam [pre-recorded]: Hey, guys! OK, in today’s news…*

I mean, I already know it’s not live, but it still bothers me that someone thinks that having everyone involved pretend like it is will somehow make my viewing experience better. Not a major issue for me, but just a little annoying and, again, silly.

You mean like playing in the building that’s directly behind the stage? A live broadcast of musicians playing during a live broadcast of an inauguration? Sounds technically difficult to me. How would the musicians make it back to the stage to see the rest of the ceremony?

Heated outdoor stages and live remote broadcasts are challenges for future generations who will live in an age when mankind harnesses the atom and travels to other planets.

Yes, they mimed it in the literal sense of the word as used as a verb.

mime
n.
1.
a. A form of ancient Greek and Roman theatrical entertainment in which familiar characters and situations were farcically portrayed on stage, often with coarse dialogue and ludicrous actions.
b. A performance of or dialogue for such an entertainment.
c. A performer in a mime.
2. A modern performer who specializes in comic mimicry.
3.
a. The art of portraying characters and acting out situations or a narrative by gestures and body movement without the use of words; pantomime.
b. A performance of pantomime.
c. An actor or actress skilled in pantomime.
v. mimed, mim·ing, mimes
v.tr.

  1. To ridicule by imitation; mimic.
    2. To act out with gestures and body movement.
    v.intr.
  2. To act as a mimic.
  3. To portray characters and situations by gesture and body movement.

As a musician, I cringed at this sentence. I think it indicates a significant lack of understanding that contribues to the level of outrage of some of the posters here.

For musicians at the level of Ma and Perlman, the issue isn’t “hitting the right notes” or “making mistakes,” which are preoccupations that would trouble young students, most college students, and even many professionals. I guarantee all of those musicians could have sight read their parts, individually or as an ensemble, without making what any of us would regard as a mistake. What they DO focus on is realizing the written musical score as expressive, dynamic, interesting music, within both their individual parts as well as the whole ensemble. Again, at their level, this wouldn’t take that long; music would be made (as opposed to “notes would be read”) during the first run-through. Further rehearsal would serve to refine the ensemble’s collective interpretation of the piece.

I realize that that rant was slightly off topic, but hopefully it should at least show some people that the musicians did in fact “log the time necessary” (since apparently the fact that they already had made the recording doesn’t suffice…).

(By the way, I know this is even more off topic, but next time you’re discussing or debating something about music and there are actual musicians involved, you’d hold onto your credibility a little bit longer by referring to a piece of music, if you don’t know the actual genre of composition, as, well, the generic term piece; song refers to vocal music with lyrics.)

Now, Magiver, based upon the conclusions I was able to draw regarding your musical expertise from that one sentence alone, I will venture to suggest that, regardless of any past experiences you have had with space heaters and tarps, these world-class musicians, all of whom have spent hours a day with their instruments for the better part of their lives, are more qualified than you are to decide whether or not space heaters will git 'er done.

It seems to me that this is probably a more reasonable way to view this situation.

What is important here is the gesture–of the musicians being present to honor the new president, as well as receiving the honor of being invited to perform at such an important event in a society that generally doesn’t give classical musicians their due.

I would argue that most, if not all, of the compromises being suggested here would, I think, cheapen the gesture and/or distract viewers. To place them in a remote, climate controlled location would remove them from the rest of the performers and speakers, detracting from both the spectacle and the meaning behind it. To simply play the recording with the musicians completely absent would relegate it to background music, the performers would be hidden as they already are 95% of the time, and the musicians would appear to be snubbing the new president with their absence. Announcing that they were playing along with a pre-recorded track or displaying a message on screen would simply be distracting and tacky. Heck, even removing the microphones, which obviously served no functional purpose, so as to keep people from later feeling bamboozled would simply have served as a distraction at the time of the ceremony.

Any of these “solutions” would have come at the cost of the solemnity of the ceremony and the significance of the gesture. These were great musicians honoring, and being honored by, the new president, and, given the circumstances, I think what occurred was an appropriate solution.

No, still wrong, I’m afraid. They weren’t acting out playing music. They were really, in fact, at that very moment, playing music. There was absolutely no element of mime involved at any stage.

Eman Resu, The idea that this would be diminished if it was remotely played in the Capital building belays the fact that 99% of the crowd couldn’t see them. They watched it on the screens dispersed around the mall which is how most of the Hollywood tributes to Obama were made. On top of that, the majority of the people who witnessed the event were watching it on TV. The event was one giant live-remote to begin with. If they wanted to it was a one sentence intro: And now, live from the Capital rotunda behind us…. Yo Yo Ma. The camera zooms in on the building transitioning to a view of them playing, just like it was actually done during the ceremony. When they’re done they walk out to applause, walk 100 feet to the stage and sit down.

And the idea that a venue catering to over a million people couldn’t be heated is ridiculous. I could have thrown together a heating system that would have roasted the musicians if they truly wanted to play 10 feet from the podium.

This discussion has become a mole-hilled mountain of opinion about mimed performances. I’ve never liked them and I never will. As I said before, it was nice of them to donate their time, but I think the simulated display takes away from the event.

What was heard on TV was not what they played. It was mimed.

Don’t bother, Miller. You’ll have as much luck as Alice had with Humpty. (When he even bolds a definition that proves his error, it’s time to call off the effort.)