You are not "allergic" to "radiation" because some quack says so!

I can’t fucking take it any more. One of my best friends, an otherwise incredibly intelligent and rational person, has gone right over the deep end. It’s time for an intervention but first I really need to vent.

First it was the “active kinesiology” or whatever that idiocy is where some loon holds bottles of stuff to your skin while pulling your fingers apart. When said loon discovers that it’s easier, bingo! You’re allergic to whatever was in the bottle! How does vinegar inside a sealed bottle instantaneously affect your muscles? It emits a field of course!

Why golly gosh whillikers that sure makes total sense! (choking sounds)

Based on what he’s supposedly allergic to, lady tells friend to alter his diet to “cleanse” the stuff from his body. One week it’s no vinegar, the next it’s no carbohydrates, then it’s no vitamin C (I shit you not, he’s “allergic” to vitamin C. Thank goodness this quack can magically prevent scurvy). Fine, altering his diet and getting A LOT MORE EXCERCISE and he’s lost a lot of weight. Friend really likes to eat, a lot, and we’re not talking lettuce, it’s the huge bacon cheeseburger, basket of fries, onion rings and the big chocolate milkshake. That was a standard dinner order. Geezus, I’ll give you four words of advice, for free, that will help you lose weight and all you have to do is use a little self-control. Ready? Here goes:

“Eat less, excercise more”

And make sure that you’re eating healthier foods, not a slab of deep-dish pizza. No allergies, no vials of crap, no tugging on your fingers and no quackery, just some common sense that’s backed up by a few centuries of evidence.

OK, so today he’s “allergic” to: RADIATION. Muhaha. I shit you not, evidently this accupuncturist did the same fucking finger pulling routine while holding a vial of “radiation” or “something radioactive” and wowsers his fingers were weaker so bingo, no “radiation”. This means he isn’t going in the kitchen while the microwave is running or using his cell phone or his PC. For 25 hours. So that the radiation will be “cleansed” from his body.

I guess the massive doses of radiation he gets from light, radio waves, his glow-in-the-dark watch, being near any kind of electric motor, etc. don’t count. When asked what he’d do after he was “cleansed” and has to go back to his job as a COMPUTER PROGRAMMER he said that his accupuncturist will “block that”. As one of my buddies pointed out, it sure would have been nice if the folks at Chernyobl knew about this, they could have just sent in a team of accupuncturists to take care of the whole problem.

Can this get any stupider? Is this an episode of “America’s Funniest Home Medical Treatments”? Lunacy piles upon lunacy and I’m getting ready to pull my already-short hair out by the roots. I’ve been biting my tongue since I hate to poo-poo beliefs that friends hold dear but this is just so completely retarded I can’t begin to pit it enough.

And this guy was a paramedic & EMT for years and scored quite high on his MCATs when he was thinking of becoming a friggin’ doctor.

That sound you hear is my teeth grinding into powder every time he starts blathering about this shit.

It’s amazing what rubbish even educated people can believe in.

If I knew someone like this, I would try and convince him to wear a tinfoil hat.

…just for the sake of comedy…

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This is so depressing.
I may have to take part in the next homeopathy mass suicide attempt.

My mother tried to talk me into seeing her friend’s daughter’s kinesiologist several years ago. When I asked what the kinesiologist actually does, I got lots of “Oh, I don’t really know how to describe it, it’s just… you have to see it I guess. But it really works! Michelle’s schitzophrenia is much better since she’s been seeing this lady! She could probably help with your fibromyalgia too”.

Umm… they want me to pay this lady more than what a doctor would charge for a consultation, and they can’t even describe what it is that she does? Thanks, but no thanks.

I don’t know why Michelle no longer sees her kinesiologist, but she’s now under conventional medical care and seems much improved.

Oh - a self-described natropath analyzed Mr Cazzle once, years ago. She put pressure on one of his arms while he ran his finger down a page of wavy lines. Apparently, much like your friend’s loon, this loon could feel the weakness enter your muscles when you hit on something that related to you. Mr Cazzle was informed that he will at some stage suffer from bowel cancer. How can you tell this from a bunch of mysterious wavy lines? Oh, your body knows, he was informed. Mr Cazzle remains a skeptic.

I’ll join you…care to split a molecule of arsenic? Or would that be too much arsenic? I am not up on homeopathy…

That is FUCKING BRILLIANT. First time I ever thought well of the Belgiens (the skeptics, not the insurance company).

You think that’s bad. I got a friend who is fairly intelligent as well… Then when watching television one night, a picture of the moon was shown on the screen. He tells me, “did you know that the moon landing was a hoax?”

I just could not believe what I had just heard. I was so shocked, I didn’t know what to say. I even tried to remember the debunking discussions from the threads here on the SDMB. But I was so shocked, I came up empty. I mean, wow.

What are the requirements for being callled a “Naturopath” in your part of the world? Around here, they gotta get a whole lotta schoolin’.

They are also subject to gummint regulation.

The Master speaks on homeopathy.

Can I join the SDMB mass suicide attempt? I know that to accomodate all the extra people we might have to stretch to an extra molecule of arsenic, but I think it would be worth it :slight_smile:

I’ll happily bet $100 that my friend’s accupuncturist can’t accurately describe the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation, or the difference between radioactive particles and electromagnetic radiation. As a matter of fact I’d love to know what source of radiation was in the little bottle she waved at my friend to diagnose this mysterious allergy.

Lessee, alpha particles are so weak that they can’t penetrate skin (I saw a wonderful demonstration on PBS of a piece of paper stopping the radiation from a chunk of plutonium), I doubt that the accupuncturist had anything more deadly onhand (and whatever it was would probably not make it past a plastic film canister), and of course any room is absolutely flooded with electromagnetic radiation 100% of the time (light, radio waves, etc). So much for controls, huh? This “allergy” seems to have stopped my friend from using his cell phone, TV, monitor and microwave while allowing him to go out for a nice long bike ride on this wonderfully sunny Sunday. And he’s taking the wife and kid to the park to soak up some more rays.

I just checked the EPA’s website and the daily dose of alpha particles you’re exposed to from living in a stone or brick house far exceeds the exposure from other sources of radiation barring stuff like getting an X ray at the doctor’s office.

So at what point should I suggest to my friend that he might want to think about this a wee bit more clearly? He’s spending his hard-earned money on it. The reason he got into this whole mess was because he wants to lose weight and has evidently met criticism of the whole procedure with “I don’t understand it but it’s working, I’ve lost lots of weight”. Well no duh he’s lost weight - while I don’t think much of the Atkins approach that he’s currently following it has made him stop eating cake, pizza, burgers, milkshakes, deep-fried onion rings and so on, and he got one of those little pedometers and makes sure he gets his 10,000 steps a day in (i.e. walk about 5 miles per day). So he’s cut out the massive amounts of junk food and is getting regular exercise which is what people have been telling him to do for a long time.

Sigh.

Most people will believe anything to avoid things they don’t want to do. If your friend is willing to believe this tripe, there’s really no point trying to convince him to take sensible measures like diet and exercise because he’s not going to do it, at least until he gets a scare from some health deterioration. Just tell him to knock off the nutjobbery and just learn to accept his current weight, cause fad diets and snake oil will probably do as much harm as the supersizing.

My best friend was married to a super intelligent guy. After 10 years or so he began to behave in a truly bizarre fashion. He believed that con trails were “chem-trails” and that there were lizard people living under the earth. He actually travelled to singapore to seal one of their doorways. I think he is bi-polar or possibly schizophrenic. He is now practising kinesiology… I do often wonder if their isn’t a fine line between genuis and lunacy.

True story:

One of my more difficult patients began to develop horrible swelling throughout her body, particularly in her legs. It was so bad that she would always show up in my exam room in a wheelchair. Supervised by two or three attendings, I did every test imaginable to figure out why this was happening, and came up with absolutely nothing.

She started seeing a doctor in our community who was a well-respected pediatric surgeon before she gave up that racket to practice “alternative medicine”. For $100/hour (cash, of course), she did yoga with my patient, prescribed all sorts of natural remedies, and devised a special diet.

The next time I saw the patient, she was a new woman. She walked in looking like a million bucks. My guess is that her diet before had been so bad that the “special diet” had done the trick; I had discussed dietary changes with her before, though, and it hadn’t done any good. (Of course, she did have time to sit down with the other doctor and devise a specific diet, and she was more compelled to follow that doctor’s advice, since she pays $100/hr. for hers and nothing (Medicaid) for mine.)

She ran out of money and had to stop seeing the other doctor, and within months she was back in the office in her wheelchair. I have tried to contact this other doctor’s office to find out exactly what they were doing, but apparently they consider such practices as keeping thorough medical records far too mainstream for their alternative practice.

After telling the story to one of my attendings, he said, “You know, quacks are quacks, but there are some people I just can’t fix. If something else works for them, I’m sure as hell not going to tell them that it really isn’t.”

It’s still no excuse for the sort of crapola in the OP. Remember the general rule–alternative medicine that has evidence to support it becomes mainstream medicine.

You might suggest a weight-loss approach that comes from another hacker: The Hacker’s Diet

It’s helped me (mostly the Eat-Watch tool), and the author explains it well, in excruciating detail. He also points out that you have to monitor your weight for the rest of your life, not just until you hit your target weight.

No dear, they don’t. I work in a clinic-school of “natural medicine” and I can tell you for a fact that these people have a very minimal (of homeopathic dimension :D) background in science. I can say that they don’t even know what scientific thought is.

No they aren’t. This is a provincial level juridiction and it will vary from province to province. As a matter of fact, Quebec trained naturopaths are considered a joke in the rest of the country.

That sounds a LOT like he’s been taken in by David Icke. Check out the “Reptilian Archive” and any number of chemtrail articles behind the “Tell the Truth” link.

I was talking about the country as a whole. Canada (through some provinces) has taken steps to regulate alternative medicine. It was my impression (developed via googling) that the US expects NDs and Homeopaths to be entirely self-regulating, which IMO is a mistake. If I’m wrong about this, please correct me.

I was very happy with my old Homeopath in my hometown in Ontario, and I’ve asked him to refer me to one of his colleagues around here, for the reason that you mentioned.

An interesting article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/story/0,12980,1220112,00.html