Holy shit! How hard is it to read links before commenting?!
Hilarity N. Suze hereinafter referred to as HNS, she doesn’t even walk the dogs she has every day. I believe she said 3-4 times a week. She has adopted a TWO (2) year-old doberman. She was beating (her own admissiobn before she was called on it) her FOUR (4) dogs before adopting this one. That was only TWO (2) months ago. She hasn’t been to therapy, increased walks, or done anything that we can see to fix the severe problem. She also has TWO (2) cats.
Most people posting here are not saying she should get rod of the 6 pets she has (which she suggested as an option). How the fuck do you support the adoption of another large, young dog? She has done nothing to make sure this won’t happen again.
Everyone that is saying this is a pile-on supports multiple instances of dog beating, with the addition of another dog to those already beaten.
And dear Papsett, despite protestations otherwise, shows these dogs are an emotional stop-gap measure. There is no indication this won’t happen again.
And for anyone still questioning this “pile-on” what do you think the serviceman would have done had he read that thread?
If you say you would have still just allowed Papsett to adopt the dog you’re a damned liar. That dog is gorgeous and from what I can see on Craigslist, and pet forums many people would have adopted that dog. Some of them were presumably capable of walking the dog 3-4 times a week with accompanying vet care.
It depends on the dog, though - breed, age, and the individual dog. My parent’s lab, who’s a year and a half old, gets crazy if he doesn’t get at least two brisk 45-minute walks a day, and therefore my parents make time for it. Similarly, a friend has a dalmatian, and they jog at least five miles, every day, because an under-exercised dalmatian is not a dog you want. On the flip side, I know a guy who’s got an older Bernese, who’s perfectly content with nothing more than a slow evening stroll around the park. You can’t say that all dogs are fine with just one walk a day, and also can’t say that all dogs need more than that, either - there’s just way too much variation between breeds and individuals.
If someone knows Craiglist better than I do, I am willing to eat my words.
A Craigslist ad posted on 8/1 would still show up in a search, right? I looked at the adoption sites available for servicemembers and their families as well as Craiglist–nothing as to a doberman. Google indicates those ads stay up for a long time.
Further research shows you can ask for a post to be deleted, but the title will be google-able for a while unless Google is emailed directly. Otherwise, a request to delete it just applies to a Craigslist-search. Without a request to delete or renew an ad, it is automatically removed by Craigslist in 7 days–still it is Google-able as a cache.
It doesn’t have to be that way. I don’t doubt that you have probably had bad experiences with people in the past that have led to you isolating yourself. However, there are a lot of good people out there too who would also care about if you live or die, perhaps even be able to add to your life (like helping with tasks like dog walking), if you give them a chance.
I do think that it would be beneficial to consider seeing a therapist to talk about ways to deal with the loneliness and how to reach out to others in a way that they will respond well to. You aren’t the only person out there who has struggled with this kind of issue. For example, it’s believed that around 1% of the population has Avoidant Personality Disorder (not that I’m saying this is what you have, but it is a condition that is defined by someone who wants human companionship but finds rejection extremely painful to the point of being unable to socialize normally).
The animal hoarding stuff may sound harsh, but I am related to someone who was a hoarder (objects, not animals) and I have seen how insidiously it can take over someone’s life.
I think that most animal hoarders do start out as lonely people who just really like animals, or people who have good intentions to save homeless animals, but things slowly get out of control since there is always another animal that could use a home and “just one more” doesn’t seem like a big deal at the time. I think it is important for all of us who love animals to be vigilant against this tendency to overextend ourselves and take in too many animals.
I believe you’ve mentioned on this board that you plan to get a horse in the next year or so. I’m sure you know that a horse all by itself requires a lot of time and money - and with other animals who also need care it could be really overwhelming. I think it would be good to try to identify where the line is drawn on how many animals are just too many.
As others have pointed out, nobody is saying they are a perfect dog owner. I sure as hell am not. But I’ve never beaten my dog, and I have also never lost it and yelled and screamed at him.
I mean, very few people are perfect parents, but that doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye when an abusive parent beats their kid black and blue.
This also is not normal, or good. A dog is a nice companion, but it should not be solely responsible for your mental health. She has made it the dogs job to keep her sane and happy and calm, and when the dog fails to do that, or causes her extra stress, she freaks out and lashes out at it. That’s not a fair burden to place on the dog, since it can’t understand the job she has given it or how it has failed at that job.
She needs to take responsibility for her own health and stop taking her down times out on the dogs. Until she does that no amount of dogs will ever be enough.
This thread went two pages since last night, which is the last time I’ve had a chance to look at it, so I didn’t do much more than skim the posts. Which was enough to see that once again, we have people with no clue making statements on things they know zero about.
Those of you “pet parents” with your “fur babies” can just shut up about whether or not Papsett is abusing her animals. You have no idea, want to believe the worst and are definitely not in a position to make any sort of informed decision.
Those of you who are commenting on her mental state - Jesus, how bloody stupid can you be?
Those of you claiming you have never yelled at a pet - I don’t believe you, or you haven’t had said pet for all that long. No human is capable of perfect behavior at all times, and no pet is capable of perfect manners at all times either.
What is all this crap about whether or not the dogs are getting walks every day? I have 3.5 retrievers in my yard and I don’t walk any of them - what make you think dogs that have a yard need walks??
BottledBlondJeanie, get a life.
All you know about this is what you have been told by Papsett, and all you care to believe is the worst. Pathetic.
Also - yes, on a message board all we know is what we are told. Just like every other thread. It’s not like you haven’t come into other threads that you haven’t even read and made harsh judgments of people. In fact, you are a champion of jumping to conclusions, so get down off your high horse.
And what the hell is 0.5 of a retriever? You’re not supposed to saw them in half you know.
Sure didn’t take long for another idiot to weigh in - you think my dogs are being neglected simply because I don’t walk them? What color is the sky over the planet you live on?
Yes, yes I do. It’s kind of a basic part of dog ownership. Why do you even have dogs if you don’t want to spend time with them and just throw them in the yard instead?
Great. Just fucking great. So you all are trying to say that beating your dogs is a bad thing and people who do so should be looked down upon? Next you’ll be saying that it’s wrong for me to knock a few teeth outta my girlfriend’s mouth when she wants to get in the jacuzzi before giving me a blowjob.
What is this world coming to when a guy can’t even get a blowjob? :rolleyes:
Thank you for a perfect example of what is wrong with people like you. Why would you jump to the conclusion that simply because I don’t do one thing with my dogs (walk them), it must be that they are neglected and I “just throw them in the yard” because I don’t want to spend time with them?
Here, I’ll try to fight some ignorance, provided you aren’t too perverse to learn. Dogs don’t need to be walked unless they don’t have a yard to do their business in, because the only benefit they get on the average walk on leash is the opportunity to crap in someone else’s yard, plus maybe some fresh air and maybe a change of scenery. I have a yard, a fairly decent sized yard for the city, so my dogs don’t need to be walked to eliminate. They chase each other about in the yard for some exercise, and we also train in obedience, agility and retriever field work. There are dog beds all over the house as well a chair & couch they can lay on. Yet, because I say I don’t walk my dogs (in 40+ years of dog ownership, I don’t think I’ve ever walked a dog), you decide they are neglected.
Are you getting a clue as to why it is counter productive at best, and completely stupid at worst to jump to negative conclusions based on one or two facts? Are you getting a clue as to why it just shows how little you know when you attempt to blast someone on a subject they know and you don’t? Walking a dog might be “a basic part of ownership” in something like NYC, but other than that you sir are once again talking out your ass.
As other people have pointed out, it is a well known fact by most dog owners that time in the yard does not negate the need for walks. I have a yard, a fairly decent sized yard for the city, so my dogs don’t need to be walked to eliminate. They chase each other about in the yard for some exercise, and we also train in obedience, agility and retriever field work. There are dog beds all over the house as well a chair & couch they can lay on. Yet, because I say I don’t walk my dogs (in 40+ years of dog ownership, I don’t think I’ve ever walked a dog), you decide they are neglected.
First off, you have not convinced me at all that you are not a poor dog owner, so I am not chastised by your tirade. And how is this a subject you know and I don’t? You have dogs and a yard, I have a dog and a yard. I’ve had several dogs in my life, and they all got walked regularly. And I sure don’t live in NYC.