You complain to our area manager after I go out of my way to do you a favour???

I got a phone call from an outlying store about 4:30 on Friday saying they’d sold a laptop to a customer but didn’t have any in stock, so the customer was going to call into our store and pick it up. Great, says I. A Laptop sale.

No, explains Outlying Store. They’ve already paid for it, you’re just going to give them the laptop.

Err, that’s not how it works, I said. If the customer is prepared to drive here to get it, then they can pay for it when they get here. Secondly, it’s a display model, so it has to be packed down and restored to factory settings before we can sell it. That’s going to take at least 45 minutes, and we’re flat out here as it is. So no, I’m not just handing a computer over to some guy comes in with a receipt. We don’t work like that and it opens us up to all sorts of stock control problems.

Your area manager is going to make you do it anyway, says Outlying Store.

That’s fine, I said. He can call me and tell me personally. Until then, I’m not giving anyone a computer unless they’ve paid for it here in the store or I’ve got a proper transfer request from our area manager.

I called our store manager (it was his day off) and told him what had happened, and he agreed with me that if the customer wasn’t paying for the laptop in our store, then we shouldn’t be giving it to them. The net result was going to be us down $1,500 worth of stock and 45 minutes of valuable time because the manager in an outlying store had taken it upon themselves to sell a product they don’t have at that store.

Funnily enough, outlying store called back and said our Area Manager had said we had to give the customer the laptop, and that the customer was on his way to pick it up. I warned the outlying store that it was going to take at least 45 minutes for a complete system restore.

In the meantime, our store manager had been trying to get hold of our Area Manager to confirm this had been authorised (instead of one of the managers just making shit up), to no avail. We decided to go ahead anyway, since the customer is on the way.

We were busy- really, really busy. There were only three of us on, and I was the only one with the authority to approve refunds, exchanges, price over-rides, and so on. It took about 10 minutes before I could get away from the counter and the customers long enough to start packing down the laptop.

Customer arrives about halfway through the reformat, so I politely explain to them that the computer they’ve been promised is, in fact, a display model, and I’m performing a complete system restore on the system so that it is in the same condition that it was when it left the factory, and that it should be done in another 20 minutes or so. I offer my apologies for the delay, but again stress that a complete system restore is standard procedure with all display model laptops and he will be able to customise it to his liking.

I should pause here to mention that all the laptops we sell have Windows Vista on them, and that once you’ve created a user account for a WinVista laptop, there will be an unrenameable folder in the “Users” section of the computer with that user account name on it. You can change the User name, but that particular folder will always be named whatever your first user account was called. In other words, if you buy a computer and the first account you have is called “Jim”, there will be a folder in the “Users” folder called “Jim”, where lots of important documents etc get stored by default. If you change the user name from “Jim” to “James”, the user folder will still be called “Jim”, and cannot (for all intents and purposes) be readily renamed.

Given that the average computer purchaser has about as much computer literacy as packet of Tic-Tacs, it’s expedient to perform a complete restore on display model computers to allow the customer to customise their computer as they see fit, and not to mention removing our installed POS screensavers etc. Also, people fiddle around with the computers when we demonstrate them (they’re password protected), but when we log on to let the customers see the desktop etc we sometimes get distracted by other matters and it’s not unusual for people to rename desktop icons as “MS east poo” (sic) and so on. You can see why we reformat them, in other words.

Anyway, back to our narration. I gave the customer the jargon-free version of the preceding two paragraphs, explained the system would be ready shortly, and that he should feel free to browse the store in the meantime. Customer said that was fine, and I politely excused myself and went back to serving the Golden Horde of customers which had descended upon our store in an effort to purchase batteries, cheap DVD players, and transistor radios for the weekend.

Soon after, the system was restored, I packed it all into the box, thanked the customer for their patience, and gave them the laptop. They seemed happy when they left, and we (the remaining staff and I) could get on with closing the store and going home for the evening.

Everything seemed well and good until the store manager and I had a discussion yesterday and he told me that the customer had refunded the laptop at the outlying store on Monday because he wasn’t satisfied with our customer service.

“What the fuck did he expect???” I asked. “The London Symphony Orchestra playing Eine Kleine Nachtmusik as he walked through the door? Perhaps he would have liked a smoking jacket and a fez to wear while he was in the store? Or maybe he wanted turban-clad punkawallahs to fan him with over-size palm fronds whilst relaxing in a conveniently placed Easy Chair with Ottoman whilst sipping a complimentary Glenlivet?”

“Well, that’s not really the point of this discussion…” the store manager explained, and then proceeded to launch into a kind of Self-Reflection And Discussion Learnings For Make Benefit Of Future Happenings, also known as a “Debriefing”. Edited highlights: We were supposed to discuss what we did wrong, and what could have been done better, and how we were supposed to look at the positive aspects of the situation.

“Did it occur to you- or our Area Manager-” I asked him “-that the customer probably got a better deal on a laptop somewhere else and was just making something up to avoid having to say that one of our competitors offered him a far better deal? Or maybe he was trying some sort of tax dodge thing? Get a product, copy the receipt, return it, and use the copy of the receipt to claim $1,500 worth of laptop on his taxes?”

“I’m only going on what our area manager has told me” he said.

“Heaven forbid he should actually tell one of our customers to get stuffed” I said. “You know I was nice to the guy- the two staff who were working with me that day will happily back me up there- so essentially this boils down to one of the managers at an outlying store doing the wrong thing- an unethical thing, I might add, since I was the one who had to do all the work and reformat the laptop, yet they got the store figures for the sale- and it’s our fault that the guy decided to return the laptop because he got a better deal somewhere else, or his missus threw a wobbly for spending that much, or because he only needed a laptop for a couple of days and thought he’d try his luck.”

“Er…”

“People do not refund $1,500 worth of laptop three days after the fact because they weren’t happy with the service.”

“Anyway, the important thing is to identify where we could improve if this sort of thing happens again… So, now we have to do what we have to do to make the sale…” says the manager

“Which we did…” I said

“… and we have to think of what’s best for the customer” he continued.

“Which I did. I gave him a system at factory settings. If I’d just deleted the screensaver and given him the PC, he would have been back in a few days complaining about how he couldn’t rename the user folder or how the desktop icons had been renamed or something. You know what our customers are like.”

“OK, it’s quite probable that there’s nothing we could have done to achieve a satisfactory outcome for the customer in this case” he says.

So why are we having this conversation???” I asked.

Well, basically, because he’s got a “Process” to follow, and apparently that “Process” doesn’t have a “Fuckwit Customer” checkbox or “Other store selling products they don’t have in stock and expecting us to sort it out” option. As it turns out, the store manager did admit a large amount of shortcoming in the situation, but that’s beside the point- we shouldn’t be letting customers refund $1,500 worth of laptop for any reason besides manufacturer’s fault within the DOA period, but that’s a topic for another thread entirely.

Anyway, the point of this rant: FUCK YOU! to the asshole who wasted my time and my staff’s time and then complained after I did them a favour by making sure they got an as close to factory new laptop as I possibly could. It’s fuckheads like you that make me wonder why I bother getting up in the morning and make retail the depressingly miserable place it is.

Anyone feel like getting me a nice job in a museum somewhere? :smiley:

I’m trying to get my future stepdaughters to get jobs in retail, just so that they gain a greater appreciation for common sense and polite behavior.

How many customers did you serve total that day? And I’ll bet the number that complained about bad customer service approached zero.

Hang in there, Martini. You’re one of the good guys in the field.

You know what they say, Martini: No good deed goes unpunished.

If it was me, I would have expected:
Walk into store
Show receipt
Lift box with new laptop inside it
Walk out of store

What do you think he should have expected?

Sorry I have to point this out, you didn’t do the customer a “favor”.

The customer paid $1,500 for a laptop, then gets told they don’t have any, and to pick it up at this other store, then he goes there, and finds out it’s a display model that people have been monkeying with for a month or two, oh and by the way you have to stand around with your thumb up your ass for another half hour while we clean the stupid thing. Here you go, fresh off of the sales floor, probably not that much worse for the wear after being left on for 12 hours a day 7 days a week for a few months with every snot nosed brat in the area pounding on the keyboard.

Some favor.

You did the Other Store Manager a favor, and your store manager was right in investigating if only to determine that it was entirely OSM’s fault that the sale tanked. Don’t try to pin this crap on the customer he could be posting in his own BBQ Pit complaining about the pathetic runaround your company gave him, resulting in him wasting an hour of his own time just to get the damn laptop he paid for only to find out it’s a display model after he’s already wasted his evening to secure it.

Cheesesteak, I think your right on.

Here is this poor guy - he thinks he is getting a NEW laptop - he just has to pick it up and its going to be waiting for him. He gets there and you are reimaging a display model. He isn’t happy about this, he doesn’t want to cause a scene at you - after all, you are doing the best he can. Plus he’s already wasted two hours in what he thought was going to be a “run to the store and get a laptop - AND he’s already paid for it.” So he stews wandering around the store, takes his laptop and goes home.

Where he continues to stew. This isn’t right, he did’t pay for a display model, he paid for a new laptop.

So he goes back to the store he purchased from. Says “this is lousy customer service. I come here to buy a laptop, you don’t have it in stock, you ask me to drive across town to get it where you assure me they have one in stock and waiting for me, when I get there I discover that I’m getting a display laptop, and it isn’t even ready yet!”

The scenario I see, the not ready thing is the least of this guys problems.

That would have been fucking awesome. I would not spend so much as a dime anywhere else if a local store gave me a smoking jacket and fez to enhance my mercantile experience at their fine establishment.

The other manager is the boob. You don’t sell an item you can’t deliver, especially if your chain of stores has a policy forbidding taking the money for an item at another store. That’s just stupid.

Yeah, I have to agree with the last two comments. It was the salesman/manager at the other store that boned you without benefit of grease. I’d be pissed if I was the customer. Not at you - you did the best you could under the circumstances.

I sincerely doubt that the customer is blameless here. Bad customer service is not something that dawns on you in a sudden moment of blinding epiphany after three days of thoughtful reflection. Shitty customer service is shitty from the moment you say, “Well, this sucks.” If he truly wasn’t happy about the customer service he wouldn’t have agreed to go all the way to the other store to pick it up – and even if he did, and he didn’t like the fact that it’s a floor model, he certainly wouldn’t have accepted it with a smile and walked out long after learning that fact. Nobody does this, especially on that kind of investment where I’d be afraid of getting equally bad service if ever something goes wrong. If I’m that disgusted with the service I am receiving, I’m asking for my money back and walking out the door and they can stuff the sale.

This was either a case of buyer’s remorse (whether personal or externally influenced), “free rental,” or some other dodgy pursuit.

ETA: That’s not to say that the other store manager isn’t an asshat, too. He never should have sold what he didn’t have in stock, and if it was something he discovered only after making the sale (bad inventory tracking there) then he should have refunded the purchase and told him to take his money to your store and buy it there instead of trying to steal the sale anyway. That’s just a dickhead move.

People don’t like confrontation. Not to mention that he already dropped $1,500, at another location, and maybe isn’t exactly sure how he’s going to get his money back from a different store, or from the original store, sans laptop.

If he got to the point where he was “done” with this attempted purchase, it’s not a stretch at all to think that waiting another few minutes to have a physical item in your possession is a smart thing to do. Walking out without your laptop basically means you have to go back to the original store NOW and hope you get your money back. Walking out with the laptop means you can go back when it is convenient (3 days later) and actually have something to return.

I also doubt this guy went through all this rigamarole to get a 3 day rental or tax dodge when he could just as easily bought something that was in stock at the first store.

Your right it doesn’t dawn on you. Its something that you know is happening when you are standing there but you keep thinking “this is going to be alright. I’ll get the laptop and get out of here. I already paid for it.” This wasn’t one instance of unacceptable service, this was a buildup. And when you build up, you will accept more than if you’d just started. Then you get home, open the laptop, realize that there are still fingerprints on the keyboard from it being a display model and thing “this isn’t what I wanted, this isn’t acceptable, it wasn’t acceptable in the store, but I was too chickenshit to do anything” And then - because you have a life - return it in three days.

Tell the guy “I don’t have one here, but pay me now, drive across town, wait 45 minutes, and they’ll have their display model for you” and that would have been unacceptable. But “drive to the other store and you can pick it up” was acceptable. Then they made the investment in the drive, they are now an unwilling accomplice in their own screw. “Oh, its a display model, but it will be done in 20 minutes.” Well, maybe. Maybe the display model comes home and is pristine and as new as possible in its original packaging with all its original stuff. And maybe you realize that the little mousepad thingy is already worn and dirty on the edges. Remember, he wouldn’t have even seen its condition in the store.

Buyers remorese, sure. If he thought he was getting a new laptop and got a display model that had obviously been used. But I wouldn’t fault him for buyers remorse if that was the situation.

Yeah, I can’t agree that the customer is blameless. Should he have been told, the moment the manager of the other store found out, that the store he was driving to only had a display model available? Definitely, but the manager of the other store had that information, and apparently didn’t share it with the customer before he sent him driving across town.

If I was in the customer’s situation, once I got to the second store and was told it was a display model I’d probably have said something to the effect of, “Well, I’m sorry to waste your time, but I’m not interested in paying sticker price for a display model which has been left on to take wear and tear. I’m going to have to ask for a refund.” I’d probably feel a bit bad for Martini if I was the customer because his time would have been wasted. But ultimately, as a consumer, I’m just not going to buy a display model when I’ve gone to a store to get a new, out of the box, straight from the factory laptop.

This is why it’s probably a terrible idea to buy a laptop at one store and pick it up at another, the customer is paying for something and has no idea what he’s getting until he gets to the second store.

Interestingly enough, I tried to buy a nephew a laptop from Best Buy when I was in visiting my sister. He’s a college student and was coincidentally in for the week. Anyway, we go to buy the system, and the one he wants isn’t in stock. We’d already checked a few of the electronics stores in the area and none really had a good selection except for the Best Buy, unfortunately it was the closest one in convenient distance. I asked if I could just pay for one of them there, and have him pick it up at the Best Buy where he goes to school, but that wasn’t allowed. So for a few minutes we were sort of stuck and I was considering just giving him the money for it, til one of the bright young minds that works at Best Buy came up with an idea. He phoned the store near my nephew’s school and asked them to hold a laptop for him, I put $1500 on a Best Buy gift card and gave it to him, and that solved the problem.

Hopefully he didn’t spend the $1500 on a bunch of video games or DVDs, but it was a convenient workaround, I guess.

The customer has every right to be dissatisfied. It’s highly suspicious, in my opinion, that he waited three days to do so.

The other store manager was a jackass. Not only did he collect money for service he didn’t perform, for stock he didn’t have, but he didn’t call to make sure you had that item. He probably looked it up in an online inventory and saw one available, then pushed the customer out the door. Any idiot would have known better.

If I saw on an inventory sheet that there was one item left, I’d call that store. “Hey, I’m going to send somebody over to get X. Can you hold it for me? Don’t sell it, okay?”

And at that time I would’ve learned that the item appearing in inventory was a floor model. I would have been able to advise the customer what his options were. “They have one in stock, but it’s a floor model. Want me to keep looking for a new one?”

You don’t grab the money and push the customer out the door. “Thanks for the cash,” you say, “now obtaining your laptop is your problem.”

OR he could have said, “Why don’t I send somebody to go pick that up for you?” and send a staffer to go, you know, do the work to earn the sale.

Ugh. You got put into a no-win situation. Get paid to do somebody else’s dirty work? That’s WHY the transfer policy exists in the first place. Maybe your area manager forgot that.

Mmmph, I think he’s perfectly entitled to decide that he doesn’t want the floor model after he takes it home, given that it was kinda sprung on him and all. Maybe he was buying it for his wife or kid or something, and they had the final say. And it very well could have taken him three days to get back the Store #1, he may actually have a job or something.

Perhaps ‘poor customer service’ is not the best way to explain it, but so long as he didn’t say anything unfair or untrue about the OP, then I don’t think he’s violated any rule of being a good customer. I mean, its pretty obvious what the problem was, I don’t think he needs to really spell it out for anyone.

Martini Enfield, has the outlying store processed the internal stock transfer yet? Or was the customer actually the OSM’s brother-in-law facilitating a free transfer from your store to theirs to cover some stock loss?

Have you talked directly to the Area Manager to find out what he knows about the situation?

Is your manager always such a rules twit?

Is it possible simply that the customer returned the laptop after three days of unsuccessully looking for the “MS east poo” shortcut?

:eek: Who the hell pays out one and a half grand for a laptop that’s somewhere else entirely? I sure wouldn’t be handing over that kind of money to any store unless I’d already had a good look at the individual product I was buying and it was sitting right there in its pristine box on the counter where I could keep one hand on it as I signed the credit-card slip with the other.

“Sure, we’ll take your money, and then make you go tooling off to East Bumfuck to fetch the product you paid for! And we won’t even give you a refund unless you go fetch the product and bring it back to us! Mwahahahahaha!” (Not to disparage the location of your fine store, Martin, but any place I have to drive 45 minutes to in order to get my hands on an item I’ve already paid for is East Bumfuck IMO.)

Another vote for the suggestion that the customer eventually realized what a runaround he was getting and simply decided to take the laptop without fuss and do his returning and complaining at the place that deserved it.

Unless the customer actually did complain specifically about your store’s service, in which case yeah, he was being a dick.

I don’t know how your neck of the world works, but here in the U.S. you usually get a discount on floor models, even if it’s a gift card for 10% of the purchase price. For a laptop that had been handled by umpteen people, I’d have expected a substantial discount. I would have refused it altogether and you can bet I’d have been ticked about the runaround.

Which begs the question: What would you have done if he had asked for a refund? Talk about a paperwork nightmare.

You weren’t to blame here, but your fellow staffers did a pretty good job of making all of you look pretty bad.

I think the customer is at fault, too. I would have been pissed right from the start when he sold me something without telling me it wasn’t in stock. And that would be part of what I asked for.

Besides, it’s a $1500 laptop. A DVD I’d go to another store for. Maybe even another model of TV. But no way in hell would I pay at the first store and then drive to the second…I’d just leave and go to the second store. I don’t get in what world anybody would do this.

When I worked at the Cala/Ralphs/Kroger deli, I was helping an old woman who was asking some questions about a few of our foods. Some harpy came up behind her and started barking orders at me. I said, “Sorry, ma’am, but I’m with a customer, and I’ll be with you as soon as I’m done here.”

Fifteen minutes later, the manager calls me up to his office because the harpy complained. Some thing about how I need to provide customer service. “So… I should’ve just abandoned the old lady who was purchasing something and was polite? I should just help whoever screeches the loudest and the most dickish?”

“Uh, well, try to look out for that in the future.”

That guy was a dick.