Then Coldfire, Uncle Beer, Bibliophage, um…that Nicklz (Nickrz?) guy…David B, Gaudere, Jillgat, Melin, and some others I can’t remember
How on earth are we going to be able to criticize them if you can’t even remember their names? Sheesh - the posters we get nowadays.
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I think if you look at the evidence, you will find that Peter Morris has a hard-on for Czarcasm not because of bad calls, just because of being moderated. A lot of the animosity arose in GD relating to threads about the paranormal, and James Randi in particular.
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:88, topic:593744”]
This is the second time in this thread I’ve been accused of being disingenuous. I am saying this, not as a mod, but as a person: quit trying to bait me. Your argument is specious and you’re intentionally trying to make this personal. Don’t. Just back the hell off.
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With respect, Gary, I don’t believe this is true. Calling an argument disingenuous is something that is allowed in all forums. While it is a bit off-putting to have someone question your motives this way, it is no reserved to the Pit. It’s an attempt to characterize the argument as not addressing the issue, or mischaracterizing the issue. I think you are overreacting to this, taking personal animosity where none was intended.
With regards to this thread, it started as being about a specific issue, but has morphed into a generic “Some of the moderators here suck, why won’t anyone do anything about it?” thread. I don’t think anyone is continuing to berate Dex over the specific incident. Now the animosity is aimed at other mods, and perhaps the perception of the administration’s attitude as a whole.
Incidentally, twickster is quite right. She’s had just two threads about her since February; both mild ones about thread closing.
I believe this is incorrect. Morris has been warned by Tomndebb (or moderated) for GD. Czarcasm doesn’t mod in GD. He and Czar have fought, but’s Tomndebb he keeps going after.
Nickelz(?) was a mod for like 12 minutes. You should be impressed that I even remembered him. 
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:100, topic:593744”]
I’m not playing your game, mhendo. I’m out of this thread. …
You and others have said that threads like this have a purpose: to change a moderator decision. That happened long ago. The cop wrote a ticket; you (a generic “you,” not you personally) challenged the ticket; he rescinded it; and now you’re demanding that he publicly apologize, make you a sandwich, and paint a scarlet “B” on his chest.
What you’ve accomplished is to make mods like me not even want to read ATMB. I have better things to do with my time. I’m out.
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I have to agree with Robson that whining about a mod decision long after its been reversed reflects poorly on such participants: it’s really just bitching and moaning, right?
Shodan misrepresents Robson’s position, overlooking the central point. Going on and on about mod decisions that have already been reversed is pure RO – heck it’s almost a textbook case of RO. And I seriously doubt whether Robson wouldn’t respond to direct questions about his decisions: he’s just ducking out of this pointless snipping.
I believe Shodan owes the board an apology.
To compare these sub-optimal mod decisions, if that’s what they are, to burning houses is pure hysteria.
Ok, that was nicely played. I still say we’re far from the land of dirigible explosions, banana pratfalls or whatever extreme metaphor you prefer. My point remains: the responses to SDMB moderation are disproportionate albeit predictable given any reasonably sizable collection of humans.
Yes, but dopers are known to be a little on the chunky side.
You are probably correct. But then that would mean Peter Morris’s hard-on for Czarcasm has nothing to do with Czarcasm’s modding, correct?
[joke]Oh honey, I never called you the second-worst.[/joke]
Seriousface response:
Besides my several-month hiatus while I was too busy at work to post, I’d been staying away from ATMB for a while because the kinds of threads I was finding here were making me really frustrated and angry. My apologies for accordingly missing the shift in your moderating habits. That’s the problem with doing a good job–it’s a lot easier for people to take notice when you’re doing things they *don’t *like. 
It’s tricky to find a level of transparency that’s fair to both sides. I think one of the problems here, which has been brought up more than once, is that there’s no indication that there’s any discussion of these things behind the scenes, even if it’s happening. Even a simple, “We’re looking into it, though we won’t be able to share the results of our discussions” would be helpful.
Exactly. If this were a group of posters who just wanted to bait mods, they’d be complaining about everyone, instead of complaining about specific patterns of behavior and outside-the-rules calls, which tend to come more from certain mods, the objections would be all over the place, on a variety of different types of moderation, and leveled at a much wider subset of the moderation team.
When *I’m *agreeing with Shodan, clearly something’s going on that bears paying attention to.
:smack: Sorry Cheshire, consider me solidly whooshed.
It means that his objections to Czarcasm’s modding are not based on any calls Czar has made directly against Peter. Kind of like me. I don’t think I’ve ever run afoul of Czarcasm myself, but I still have major problems with the way Czarcasm moderates. One can be critical of another’s actions for reasons that aren’t personal, you know.
If he has a hardon for Czar yes, certainly. I still think his ATMB and pit threads have been against Tomndebb, not Czarcasm
As Beadalin points out, one need not have been the target of any particular moderating decision in order to have a problem with that decision. I’ve never been beaten by the cops, but i still get angry about instances of police brutality.
Your argument itself is part of a larger pattern in which those who complain about moderator decisions cannot win, either way.
If someone has not been warned by a particular moderator, and yet still criticizes that moderator, then the person must have a “hard on” for the mod that has nothing to do with the moderating.
And if someone who has been warned by a moderator chooses to criticize that decision, then that person is just a rule-breaker who is whining because he got what he deserved.
Heads you win; tails we lose.
Does that about sum it up?
In the first place, I don’t have a “hard-on” for Czarcasm. It’s the other way around. He is the one with the problem. He really hates me, (as does Fenris, but that’s another story)
In the second place, Czarcasm has a habit of coming into threads with the sdingle intention of shitting all over them. The other mods, and the admins, turn a blind eye to his misbehaviour. Any normal poster that behaved as Czarcasm does would frequently be instructed to knock it off, if not actually warned for it. The fact that he is a moderator is thus a large part of the problem.
In the third place, as much as I dislike Czarcasm’s style as a poster, this does not affe3ct my opinion of his modding skills one bit. Even if he hadn’t threadshiited over numerous interesting topics, I would still find his moderation to be exceptionally poor.
As for Tomndeb, I have complained about his bias before, but I have never pitted him. I don’t participate in pit threads, and haven’t done so in several years. And Tom is not as bad a moderator as Czarcasm.
Can I be a mod? My willful campaign of capriciousness and bipolarism will take the heat off all the other mods.
Just kidding. I’m okay with the moderation as is.
mhendo, it is certainly possible for someone to get caught in that kind of trap - complain because you were moderated, you’re just a whiner. Complain even though you weren’t moderated, you’ve got a beef with that moderator.
It’s also possible that a poster who disagrees with a moderator during debates on topics and has a strong dislike for that person could find reasons to agree with any complaints about that moderator.
That said, I’m going to drop the comments about Peter Morris, because I clearly am not in full command of the facts, and I don’t feel like doing a vanity search in order to try to sort out whether Peter Morris does, in fact, harbor animosity toward Czarcasm. The kind of animosity that would stand up to being labeled a “hard-on”, anyway.