You voted for these wars, so what exactly is your problem?

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…The identity is murky as it isn’t clear who is ultimately behind the food stamp cuts… …
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It’s a volunteer military. Don’t like the benefits, don’t join. Where in the recruiting brochures does it say “Food Stamps For Life”?

If these soldiers had really wanted to serve their country best, they would have stepped on a mine the last week of their tour. They didn’t? Fuck 'em!

Replace “temporary [SNAP] increase” (and don’t forget the underlining :smack: ) with “temporary tax decrease” and every right-wing imbecile (as well as the “libertarian” moron :cool: ) would get a hernia twisting into a somersault to take the exact opposite perspective on “temporary.”

You might have missed the thousands of TV commercials and recruiting materials that lie about all the awesome civilian employers that will be clamoring to hire veterans when they leave the services.

It was Veteran’s Day. I don’t know about you, but I saw it all day long, and these days it just isn’t the same since our wars do not seem to be good causes. The soldiers sign up honorably to do their duty, then they get screwed by politically motivated wars. Then they’re fucked up and can’t all function in society and end up on food stamps, which stupidly gets cut for politically motivated reasons.

Yeah, there is a much broader point than veterans’ well-being, but I needed an anchor for my outrage here in the pit. Of all the people on food stamps, fucked up veterans are one group that is clearly created by unjust-war voting, food-stamp cutting congresscritters.

I don’t think most voters want to cut food stamps, and I don’t think most GOP congresscritters really think for themselves. Who makes the decisions for GOP congresscritters? Dunno. We could blame the Koch brothers I guess, but I doubt that is a complete list of the people who are Really behind these cuts.

To those suggesting the food tax cuts are a one-time roll-back of increases, note the following from my cite:

Those cuts are pending on Congressional action. But, not to be deterred:

They go straight to the fucking front of the line for any jobs that are open. Automatic bump for all state and county jobs as well.

And yet they are unemployed at greater rates than the general public.

For some strange reason employers don’t like to hire people with PTSD or other fun mental disorders. The other “fun” thing about the military is that if you go serve right out of high school then get injured or wash out you are leaving with little more than a GED and a “good luck.” Even if vets are at the front of the line, if they are seen as being unable to do the job the employer is well within its rights to say “next!”.

But they are a thing wrong with our society.

Why the GOP wants to decimate food stamps

Many American business firms have, nonetheless, an admirable devotion to the health and well being of our citizens. Firms like Cargill, General Foods, Monsanto…

Of course they are. That is entirely beside the point, which is that the military sells recruits on the idea that every employer out there will be begging for their services when they go back to civliandom because they’ll have learned Useful Skills Employers Need and they’ll be Leaders.

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It’s not necessarily the benefits that make you join. A lot of young men join the military to have a steady paycheck, to learn a trade, or to escape whatever hell they are presently living in. Most benefits are at the end of a career, not at the end of an enlistment. The possibility of going into combat is part of the job, not all of it, and many military folk never fire a shot in anger. But when you volunteer to put yourself in harm’s way, you are owed a certain debt by the taxpayer when it all goes sideways for you.

I, like most vets, draw no disability, have never seen the inside of a VA hospital or a shrink’s couch, and have never drawn public assistance since retiring from the military. But I ate a lot of government cheese and butter while struggling to raise a family on E-5 pay, and appreciated every bit of it.

Heh. My older brother dropped out of high school in 1972 to join the army. He was a paratrooper (82nd Airborne) and a cook (mostly he baked bread). When he first contemplated whether he would reenlist, he went to see a career counselor to explore what the civilian world had waiting for him.

The top option?Soldier of fortune. :smiley:

Probably right next to the part where your buddy gets his ass blown off by an IED. :rolleyes: Or the part where it talks about getting PTSD.
The food stamps are needed when they leave the military.
My brother works in a homeless shelter for Vets. That such a thing is needed really sucks.

So even though it’s voluntary service, and the benefits and risks are explicitly known and stated, people join the military expecting that the government will be there in ways more than are explicitly stated?

At the risk of adding to the pile-on, another place that a temporary increase expiring is definitely seen as a cut or loss is the Sacred, All-Knowing Private Sector™. When a company’s stock goes down, do the CEOs, CFOs, and analysts all complacently note that the previous value represented a temporary rise, and no action need be taken to reverse the loss?

How do you reach that conclusion?