I’ll comply, but I’d believe it protected me more if they were also screening the checked liquids and gels, which according to my morning paper, they’re not.
Still, I’m hoping I can have my lumbar pillow and a book by the time I fly to London.
Shoshana
BECAUSE IT’S FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT’S WHY! :mad:
What are we supposed to do? Buy new toiletries every time we travel? Check my bag for a two day business trip so it can get lost and then I’m fucked?
I would have told your brother to go fucking mind his own business.
I sick of these people who never fly and live in Jerkwater USA who are so afraid of the very idea of terrorism that they agree to any nonsensical idea they think protects them.
Well I for one will be taking Amtrak when I can.
It takes 10 minutes to go through security.
I have never had a object seized by airport security. I have had items they disallowed and was given the choice to:
1 - leave the secure section with my item, this allows me the option to re-enter the secure section without the item
2 - mail the item to myself
3 - dispose of the item
Never did I have a airport security dude just rip the item out of my hand and say ‘this is now mine sucka’ in a evil laugh as he kicked me through the metal detector.
My Kalshnakov is legal, should I be allowed to bring it on the plane? No one is making any judgements of your innocence or guilt. Explosives can look like toothpaste, it seems logical to me. (Not good evidence or anything, but I think James Bond had c4 in a toothpaste tube in one picture, perhaps Liscence to Kill.)
So why do we have to be at the airport 2 hours before the flight takes off?
Robin
When I flew (on Thursday - thankfully we saw the news in the morning and did some extensive repacking both in the hotel and at the airport) they told us that not only were liquids, gels etc. (including lipstick!) not allowed through security, but that planes were being randomly selected for additional searches. Liquids purchased past security were also not allowed on the plane.
Yes, you should, as long as you have a proper license to do so, and it is legal in all the states you are flying over (and could conceivably have an emergency landing in.) You should not for international flights to places such as the UK where private ownership of firearms is restricted.
I’m a big fan of the constitution and the Amendments; I think the second and tenth cover this question nicely.
The last few international flights I took were Air Madrid, between Spain and Costa Rica. 4 total flights.
My luggage got lost on both trips home. For the first trip, they lost ALL of it, and it wasn’t Air Madrid whow found it: it was Iberia, and a whole 35 days later! (Air Madrid had left it in Panama).
For the second trip, they lost only one piece. I mentioned the previous Panama leftover to Iberia when I filed the report: this time I had the missing bag the next day.
In none of those flights did the sound system work. Oh, sure: they showed 4 movies in the second Madrid-San José trip, but it was an exercise in lip-reading.
In a previous trip, Philly to Houston, my back was killing me. Because it was a long stay I was bringing both my personal laptop and the company’s: I put mine in the bag I was checking. The laptop was inside its own bag, which was zippered. When I opened the bags at the hotel, I found that the shampoo had been fed into the laptop’s bag. The shampoo bottle had been inside a tied plastic bag, with the knot at the bottle’s bottom; this bag inside another bag (tied in the opposite direction). The bottle was now halfway out of the bags and its cap had been pulled off (it wasn’t just open). The IT guys were absolute sweethearts and washed my laptop with deionized water to recover it, but that “incident” wasn’t caused by Lady Gravity.
I’m not going to get on a plane without my computer, pen and paper, and a couple of books. No way, no how. If that means not flying, so be it. Heck, my current laptop cost as much as half my furniture!
Neither have I. Good thing, I guess, that I didn’t say that.
If you don’t like the connotation of the word ‘seized’, I understand; no problem. Feel free to substitute your list of options instead. Yes, in a technical sense, the authorities may not seize prohibited items, but in a practical sense, i.e. no one to give the items to to take back home, time pressure to make a flight, unavailability of postal materials, etc. the result is usually the same; the items are given up at security and therefore lost.
You’ve never flown from Luton then.
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Ever flown through LAX? :dubious:
Oh, and let’s take this to its next illogical conclusion and ban all petroleum products, too. Jet fuel can be made into a bomb, too. Get rid of it!
Would you pay airline ticket prices to man your section of a large crank turning a giant airscrew–galley slave style–while stark naked, if the government said it made you safer?
Oh, wait, a giant crank and giant airscrew have to have bearings lubricated by substances that could be made into bombs so you can’t do that either. Just forget flying.
If you can’t get there by private car, it isn’t worth going there anyway.
Either I completely failed to catch what happened or you guys need to really defend the reality of this so-called threat. What I saw, looking at CNN.com this morning, was the following:
Okay, MacGyver, how the fuck are you going to make a bomb out of that?! Seriously, how the fuck are you going to do that?!
I’m not going to give you any details of bomb making, to the extent I know any, but I did spend some time at the library after the Murrow Federal Building was blown up, just seeing if it really was as easy as it’s made out to be. For a guy with a private kitchen, a college class in chemistry, a reference book or two, and a good bull-shit story or two to get suspicious substances, then yes, bomb making is not that difficult. It is dangerous. And if you think you can sit in a cramped airplane seat, mixing up sports drink, paste, and an i-pod, thus creating a bomb sufficient to bring down a plane, then you are being far too credulous.
Don’t you teach college? Do you use that sort of outrageous logic fallacy when teaching?
Actually, based on the evidence thus far presented in this so-called war on terror, the social engineering is being done much higher up. Don’t you see how now, even the most stupid claim has you accepting at face value, and acquiesing to, demands to reduce your range of choices and submit to someone’s will? Whose? That I don’t know, but it shouldn’t be anyone’s really, if they don’t have a real reason behind it. And ridiculous rhetoric about security ain’t a real reason. Nor are silly conspiracies to do the impossible. Next the FBI is going to be confiscating all the roulette wheels in casinos, under the claim that terrorists are working on a perpetual motion machine.
9/11 was a simple plan executed with knives, not a scheme to make bombs out of sugarwater. Asking me not to bring knives makes sense. Asking me not to bring sugarwater is just plain silly, and training a society to acquiesce to any restriction no matter how silly the reasoning is far more dangerous than knives, IMHO. I would much rather run the risk of a sugar-water bomb than the risk of a hypnotized society, thank you very much.
I’ve flown everywhere.
Don’t know. I usually leave for the airport an hour and a half before my flight takes off. I just don’t see a need to spend an hour sitting at the gate.
But I’m also smart about my travel. I don’t have bags to check. I travel in the middle of the day when I can. My rollar suitcase is a standard overhead size. I put all my shit in the suitcase before I go through security. I get my boarding pass online or at the kiosk. Pretty much all I need to do is show up, give myself a generous 30 minutes for security (which it never requires unless there’s some kind of trouble) and get to my gate just as boarding starts.
Not everywhere. I flew out of Denver yesterday, and while every airport store had a sign repeating the warning (plastered across the drink coolers) no one on my plane had any bag searched at the gate area prior to boarding. We connected in Salt Lake City, and I saw no gateside searches there either.
In Denver, the Body Shop store was completely closed, with signs across the doors indicating the new policy about what you could carry on.
Incidentally, since someone has expressed incredulity about travelers being unaware…we were on vacation when the changes hit. When I’m on vacation, I don’t pay close attention to the news. Frankly we might never have heard about this had not my sister mentioned it to me. I don’t routinely call the airline ahead of time, either. As it happened we were able to do plenty of preparation and arrive early. It was unnecessary, as it turned out. They did not allow me juice for my son (that was reported, perhaps erroneously, as allowable for families with young children) but that was the only glitch.
Just because you are allowed to own something does not mean you get to bring it with you where ever you want. Maybe you can bring it in your checked baggage but there is no conceivable reason to allow someone to bring an assault riffle as a carry on (and I certainly hope you are going to start the “well define ‘assault’ weapon” debate here. I think we all know a military style weapon when we see it, not like you should be allowed to bring ANY firearm on an airplane).
I don’t think I have a lot of unreasonible demands. Keep juice boxes off the plains if you want. They serve drinks anyway. As long as I can bring toothpaste, contact lens solution and some hair care products, I’m fine.
I’m not going to look up the original cite for this, but you can do the math for yourself if you don’t believe me. In a single calendar year, if every passenger in the U.S. has to wait an extra hour to board a flight, the total amount of life lost is 80% of that lost on 9/11. A security measure which takes away an hour of your life to prevent a 1/billion chance of an event that will take the entire rest of your life is just bad policy.
During the Cold War, movies always used to depict Soviet checkpoints as a very sinister aspect of a totalitarian government. “Papers, comrade?” was meant to send an ominous chill down the viewer’s spine. In these days of paranoid airport security and DUI roadblocks, that kind of scene just doesn’t work any more. It’s too much like everyday life. We’re getting used to presumption of guilt “for our own protection”. Never mind doing an honest risk assessment of any of these measures. It’s good for us. Trust the Party.
The land of the free and the home of the brave? Maybe in my parents’ generation.
Speaking of babies, I’m set to fly to the mainland next month. I assume Desitin (for diapers) is on the list?
Oh boy, this is gonna be a fun 8 hours.