"You'll feel better if you talk about it." Really?

I agree with this, although I will say that I’ve met a lot of people for whom talk therapy is not effective. For me, though, it was a huge relief - so much so that I had a really visceral reaction from just reading the thread title: “Hell, YES it really helps, and don’t you ever tell me I can’t talk about my feelings!” :rolleyes: But like I said, I know it isn’t for everyone, and it really depends a lot on what your issues are and how you tend to deal with them.

Me, I come from a family that was basically the opposite of the OP’s. They not only bottled up their feelings, but also hid the things that caused those feelings. And most importantly, they never dealt with those feelings. My mom, for example, would often suddenly become silent and sorrowful, fighting back tears, and would stay that way for days at a time. She wouldn’t say why, and wouldn’t even admit she was unhappy. For me, it was really upsetting and confusing to see her that way. It was years before I learned that she never got over the death of her younger brother, almost 20 years before I was born. Some random thing would trigger her memories of him, and she would grieve him all over again. The same thing happened with the deaths of her parents and other relatives.

But it wasn’t just major issues like death; she seemed to hold onto every little hurt she’d ever suffered. She never got over being called names as a child, or the fact that her sister corrected her etiquette once. And she dealt with my father abusing us in the same way. She got upset about it, but didn’t admit she was upset, and then pretended it wasn’t happening. And we were explicitly told to do the same: don’t tell anyone about it, don’t let on that anything is wrong, just let me handle it. Of course, her “handling it” was telling him to stop, and swallowing her sorrow and disappointment when he didn’t.

So my life growing up was pretty much a perpetual situation like SurrenderDorothy described. I carried around all this pain and these huge, awful secrets, none of which actually had to be secret. And I directed all my pain inwards, thinking that if other people were able to handle these things that I struggled with, then there must be something wrong with me (rather than just my method of dealing with things).

Talk therapy taught me not to hold things in if they caused me pain, and that having feelings is normal and not shameful. It taught me to stop telling myself I’m stupid, worthless and unlovable, which I did almost reflexively, and still do, from time to time. And so on. But it’s important to note that we did *not *just sit there and rehash all these old hurts. It was usually something along the lines of, “How do you feel lately? Does that feeling make sense in the context of what’s going on in your life? If yes, then it’s normal, and you should go ahead and feel it. If no, then why do you think you feel that way? What goes through your head when you feel that way? Do those thoughts and feelings make sense? If not, then you should try to do x, y, and z and see if that helps bring your thoughts and feelings in line with reality.”

So I guess I’d say even for people for whom talk therapy is helpful, it has to happen in the right way.

And SurrenderDorothy, for all that talking about my problems has helped me, I still don’t like talking about it with just everyone all the time. To avoid the kind of trap you’re in, I tell people something like: “Hey, just so you know - I’ve got a, b, and c going on right now, so forgive me if I’m kind of stressed out/unavailable/moody/etc. at times. I’m doing okay for now, but I’ll be sure to let you know if I need to talk about it.” I find this effectively keeps people from prying, without me feeling like I’m hiding my whole life from them.

I am definitely a talker. Whatever is on my mind is usually, spilling out of my mouth. I’ve grown better at controlling it as I’ve grown older, of course. For me it’s like a download almost. I won’t go on and on about it, but I do sense I need to get it out. Speaking it, often gets it out of my head, and free into the universe, some how. As though expressing it somehow releases it. And it only works with those close to me, others would never do.

Yeah, basically. It is different than if you have an actual problem to deal with, of course. If someone is overeating or having anxiety (or whatever), trying to find either the root cause or different ways of effectively dealing with it can help. But just venting seems like I could do that to my wall for a lot cheaper.

I read a study a few years ago (yeah, no real cite. It was a UK study.) and it concluded, in a HUGE SURPRISE that:

  1. people who want to talk about things do better if they talk about them, and significantly worse if they don’t

  2. people who don’t want to talk about things do better if they don’t, and slightly worse if they do

And, while I was being sarcastic about the surprise before, this part did surprise me a little …

  1. people tend to have a pretty good sense of whether they are talkers or non-talkers.

The biggest issue seemed to be for people who are wanting to talk, but feel they cannot due to social pressures or whatever.

It seems that people are confusing a lot of different things in this thread.

CBT is a focused, and somewhat time-limited, process for addressing issues interfering with the person’s ability to function, and providing coping skills techniques and training for addressingn those issues and how the person is thinking about them.

Other forms of therapy, such as the traditional Freudian psychoanalysis, are more geared toward the “let’s talk about your childhood” model.

Catharsis (venting, yelling, screaming, crying) may or may not be a part of either of them, or may simply be a one-time behavior in which the person engages.

So, I don’t know if people mean that talking about something AT ALL makes them feel worse, talking about something with the purpose of working through it and moving on makes them feel worse, or engaging in ruminative obsessive rehashing of events makes them feel worse.

That having been said, everyone’s mileage varies with regarding to the sharing process. Some people benefit from any of the above techniques, some don’t.

I’ve had more depressing weirdness that was not self induced happen to me than anyone I’ve ever met. I wallowed for awhile and realized that was not acceptable anymore as that is exactly the course of action my own family had done for years.

I got busy.

I got involved.

I got out of my head.

I got a hobby.

I got a few obsessions or three.

I gots some meds, which really helped and i focus on what kind of person I want to be.

The thing is is when I meet up with some one who is having a crap time in their life and I offer advice, just a word or two and they come back later on saying how much that helped, THAT to me is what I went through all the poo for so I could help some one else. To help others. Offering an umbrella during a shitstorm, per se.

If I just talk about something and do nothing but talk, talk, and talk about it, it usually makes it worse. For the most part, there’s no benefit to me in wallowing in unpleasantness.

However, sometimes talking about a situation or issue will help me see that there’s a way out of it, a way to fix it, or that it’s not that bad. Somehow, just putting it into words for another person makes me see all kinds of possibilities I hadn’t before.

Likewise, talking about a situation with the intent to find a solution or way of dealing with it helps. I’ve done the talk therapy thing, and I never just sat and whined. Instead, my therapist worked with me on finding solutions to the problem or ways of coping when there was no easy solution.

I think you feel better. The problem arises too many people confuse, feeling better with solving the problem. Talking isn’t going to solve it, so talking about it is only a small part of the overall solution

Shared pain lessenes; shared joy increases."–Spider Robinson

Yeah, whether talking helps is a real personal thing (and for a particular person varies depending on the issue).

Therapy isn’t ‘just talking’ though (usually) - you’re either working through strategies, or (for some approaches) the questions the therapist asks are meant to elicit new thoughts on the issue, which moves you towards some kind of change.

If therapy is just you saying the same things week after week, your therapist is doing it wrong.

No, I just want a Pepsi.

Just one Pepsi…

It’s like I need time to figure these things out.
But there’s always someone there going:
Hey Mike, you know we’ve been noticing you’ve been having a lot of problems lately. You know, maybe you should get away and maybe you should talk about it, maybe you’ll feel a lot better.

And I’m all like:
Oh nah it’s ok you know I’ll figure it out, just leave me alone I’ll figure it out. You know I’m just working on it by myself.

And they go:
Well you know if you want to talk about it I’ll be here you know and you’ll probably feel a lot better if you talk about it. So why don’t you talk about it?

And I go:
No I don’t want to I’m okay, I’ll figure it out myself.

But they just keep bugging me and they just keep bugging me, and it builds up inside…

Suicidal Tendencies, Institutionalized

There is a lot of evidence in psychological research that indicates talking about it (without establishing concrete steps toward changing anything) actually does nothing, and in cases of venting anger, makes the emotional agitation worse. I think a person prone to depression is better off with a lot less talking and a lot more doing. I highly recommend cognitive behavioral therapy.

It is interesting that so many people have mentioned Cognitive Behavior Therapy because that boring bit where I got better from a serious depression when talking to the therapist made things worse? short version= reading lots of Cognitive Behavior Therapy books! Go CBT.

in my experience, talking definitely helps me and others i know. the important thing is to have someone to vent to, who does not always try to offer solutions; offering me solutions to every little problem often makes me agitated, i just need someone to nod their head and agree sometimes

You said it perfectly. I saw a therapist when I was younger to deal with the depression I was diagnosed with (I was like 13 at the time, I still don’t see how it can possibly be responsible to diagnose a child with something like that). I hated it. I mean, I guess it was nice to have someone listen to me, but in the end all he did was patronize me.

Nearly ten years later and I’m doing fine.

Without therapeutic help.

Yeah, sadly a lot of psychologists use methodology that hasn’t been proven effective and remain confident that it works based on their own confirmation bias.

Children do get depressed – usually the symptoms are a bit different than for adults – but it’s not irresponsible to diagnose someone with a mental illness if they are a child. It happens.

What’s irresponsible is to make such a diagnosis and then peddle snake oil instead of scientifically tested and proven therapeutic techniques.

I do want to say, however, that there is a distinction between ‘‘needing someone to talk to’’ and having clinical depression – one is a normal human reaction to stress, the other is a dysfunction of thinking and behavior which often, but not always, benefits from evidence-based therapeutic interventions. If you’re having a bad day, then talking will probably help you feel better. If you’re having a bad life… well, something needs to change.