Young girl beaten in anti-Semitic attack; French fine her parents!

IAALWSF, and this thread could go on and on forever, just as French Anti-Semitism will. Here’s a photo and caption:

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/030331/202/34jsn.html

The caption reads: American and British flags burned to cries of Allah Akbar, Star of David associated with a swastika, Jews beaten up, portraits of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein exhibited: [out-of-control moments] seen in the protests against the war in Iraq arouse emotion and debate in France.

Note: they’re talking about the recent (last week) beating of a Jewish boy who was marching with a Jewish youth organization that was set upon by fifty protesters wearing Palestinian flags and shouting insults.

First, I never said that “justice was done” regarding the assault on Guittel.

In the meantime, I’ve read the March 12 article, but I still hope someone with more fluent French and/or more patience than I will stop by and translate it in its entirety, or at least the more relevant portions. I will say that this article provides additional facts which lend rather more credence to the idea that the attack was antisemitic in nature. However, there are a number of relevant facts which december hasn’t raised:

The incident in question appears to have been a continuation of an incident a few days before, in which the “Arab” girls from a neighboring school were passing by the Jewish school, and someone shouted racial insults at them from the window of the Jewish school. On the day of the assault, when the “Arab” girls passed by the school again, the girls in the courtyard (who were outside because they had finished their exams early) told them to go away, saying they didn’t belong there, because “we’re not in Gaza!” So maybe not all Jewish girls are nice, submissive, blameless little Jewish girls.

The vice-principal alleges that she did go down to the courtyard and break up the fight, but not having seen the events leading up to the assault on Guittel and the other girls (such as, say, the mildly relevant detail of who committed it, or whether, perhaps, Guittel had started the altercation and merely turned out to be the weaker one), couldn’t really do much about it beyond break it up and tell the girls from the other school to leave.

The article also indicates the fight was basically over before the vice-principal realized what was going on and ran outside. How was she supposed to stop something that was already over? It’s not like the school officials sat by the sidelines, arms crossed, and watched some blameless Jewish girls get beaten to a bloody pulp, and did nothing at all to stop it. And even if the attack was antisemitic in nature, and even if the principal and vice-principal failed to stop it, how does that indicate the school officials were acting (or, rather, failing to act) out of antisemitism?

Needless to say, the facts, even as recounted in the incredibly sensationalistic way that they have been in these articles, certainly don’t lend themselves IMO to an interpretation of state-sponsored antisemitism in France.

On preview, I see there’s been an admission that perhaps the Jewish girls weren’t totally blameless. None of this has any bearing on the judgment in the lawsuit, though, as it seems to have been predicated on the parents’ false accusations regarding the antisemitic acts of the school officials.

Gah; I really need to go back and read long posts before posting them. I’d meant to add more at the beginning, to the effect that whether justice was done in response to Guittel’s beating is largely irrelevant to the issue of whether justice was done in what appears to have been a slander countersuit.

Were Guittel’s assailants appropriately punished? We don’t know, beyond the fact that apparently none of them were convicted of anything. Even december admits that not prosecuting a bunch of 15-year-olds was a reasonable response on the part of the school officials and/or the police, given how difficult it was going to be to sort out culpability in this situation.

Should the school officials have acted differently? The French court system apparently didn’t think so. Even if the school officials should have acted differently, was their failure to do so based on antisemitism? There is zero evidence to support such a contention.

And gah, I need a decent French-English dictionary. The limitations of my Larousse pocket paperback are becoming abundantly clear. Recommendations, anyone?

TTT: That was just beautiful. Well done.

Here is my rough translation of the 12 march 2003 article. If there are mistakes, they have been unintentional. I’ve tried to make an objective translation.

Here we go.

Trial.

A head teacher of the college is accused of not assisting a person in danger: a jewish student has been harrassed in her building.

By Ilana Moryoussef contact@proche-orient.info

This has happened 27 June2002 at the Collège Albert Camus in Brunoy (Essonne). Two other comrades of the young firl were equally hit and insulted. The principal kept her calm: she denies the seriousness of the act. Story of a trial that has taken close to seven hours. “Almost a trial of the assize court”, stressed the president of the correctional Tribunal of Évry. The judgment will be given april 1st.

The facts go back to 27 june 2002. On that day, three young schoolgirls of the jewish school Beit Rivka de Yerres, coming to pass the diploma exams at the collège Albert Camus de Brunoy, have been agressed by other students, verbally and physically, within the boundaries of the school. The parents of the girl most seriously hit, Guittel, have posted two complaints: one against the instigators of the agression, has been filed without continuation, the lawyer considering that a simple reminder of law would be sufficient. * [I’m not sure whether this means a civil case that was not set through, or was filed without asking for pleadings, or a complaint in criminal law] The second complaint aimed at the principal of the collège and her vice-principal, who have been heared by the court yesterday.

Two versions of the facts have been posed against each other during the trial. For the pedagogical staff of the collège Camus, this history can be summarized as a simple
cat fight between girls, nothing worth making a drama about. For the parents of Guittel, on the contrary, the facts are extremily serious: their daugther has been victim of antisemitic violence. Their advocate has spoken of the ‘lynching’ and has blamed the principal of the collège, Mme Borde, and her vice-principal, Mme Nicolas, of having done nothing to prevent the situation from getting out of hand. Furthermore, at no moment has Mme Borde recognized the antisemitic character of the agression. When the day after the facts the father of Guittel had called indignant to complain about his girl being attacked « by Arabs » within the walls of the collège, she cut short the conversation: « these are racist statements ». (In fact, the adolescent actors of the agression were young people of maghreb and african origin. The advocate of Guittel remarks: in her statement, Mme Borde describes a teacher who came from the school Beit Rivka of Yerres (private under contract) for surveillance of the diploma exams of the collèges : « a man in clothing typical of orthodox jews », as she said to police officers.

What happened 27 June 2002 at the collège Albert Camus of Brunoy ? On that day, as each year for 18 years, 22 girls of the next-door school, Beit Rivka, came to pass the diploma exams of the collèges. From the moment of their arrival, remarks rose up: « They are wearing dresses. They are jewish ». Some time later, the girls of the collège Albert Camus explained to police officers the reason of this attitude. They were nervous because of an incident that happened several days before: 15 june, when they passed before the school Beit Rivka, girls appeared behind the windows: « Dirty black/nigger, with your ass behind ! ». As 15 june was a Saturday, day of shabbat. The school was closed and the students were absent. Only remaining in the school were several interns. None of the girls coming to pass the exams were interns.

But in the logic of the clans that prevails henceforth in the suburbs, this precision was not of a kind to appease the spirits. Before starting to compose [the exam], the students of Beit Rivka heard saying that « if there is no war before the end of the day, that would be a miracle ». The morning nonetheless passed without further problem. The afternoon, contrariwise, the climate hardened. Certain students, having finished the exams early, came down in the school yard. The harrassment recommenced. « What are you doing here ? Get out, you’re not at your place ! This is not Gaza ! » Liora, 15 years old, tells, intimidated and blushing : « They told as these words… these words one hears in the streets ». She looks at the president, with an air of asking whether she must repeat these words before the tribunal. « It’s allright, says the president, we know these kind of words ».

Liora had received a slap and several fist hits. The young Haya witnesses too: « One girl approched me. She told me to close my eyes. She slapped me ». The president read the deposition of M., the young girl who started the agression: « I’ve seen a young jewish girl. She stared straight at me. This aggravated me. My friends have told me above all never to make allusions to her religion, since that could cause me trouble. My hand has struck out ». Haya ran away to warn the vice-principal, Mme Nicolas. At that point the witnesses diverge. According to the students of Beit Rivka, Mme Nicolas remained saying: « I do not want to have an assembly in the school yard. That will end in a riot. Disperse ». With respect to the slap that Haya received, she had inspired the vice-principal a simple comment: « I have seen nothing. I couldn’t do anything ».

The vice-principal denies this version and assures to have taken more vigorous measures. She affirms having crossed, when returning to her office, the head counselor of education, Mlle Sekko. Informed about the slap, she responded: « I know who has done that. I will occupy myself with that ». Mme Nicolas had given instruction to accompany the students of Beit Rivka to the entrance of the collège, and to send a group of five adolescents of Albert Camus, the agitators, in the permament hall… « How did it happen, asked the president that at the moment of the riot, all the students were in the school yard ? » Answer of the education counselor: « Between that what they have been told to do, and that what they do in reality, there sometimes are surprises. I’ve done what I could do ».

With respect to the principal, Mme Borde, when brought abreast with the incident of the slap, she was not alarmed out of measure. « These kinds of incidents, she assures, we have them several times per week. We live in violence ». « You have nonetheless received, in april 2002, two months before the facts, the circulaire in which Jack Lang, then minister of Education, invited the heads of institutions to take the greatest vigilance with respect to resurfacing of racist and antisemitic acts ? », ask Maître Buchinger, advocate of the civil parties. « Yes », answers Mme Borde. « And knowing that, that day, the students of the school Beit Rivka came in your institution for passing the exams, you did not judge it useful (utile) to take specific precautions ? » Mme Borde believes not to have failed at any moment in her responsibilities.

See by the way how she relates the gravest agression, the one against Guittel, the third victim : « She was at my office, with my vice-principal. We were busy recounting the exam copies. We heard yelling. We went out. When we arrived, it had terminated. I wanted to add that it is insulting to say that a responsible of an institution can remain passive before a lynching. »

What has passed in the school yard while Mme Borde was busy counting the copies with her vice-principal? Outside, the tension continued to increase. The secretary of the school Beit Rivka, arrived, with a surveillant, M. Fleischer. They were alerted by a desparate telephone call of the mother of Liora, who had been warned by her daughter : « I don’t know what happens at the collège Albert Camus. Liora has received a slap. I am very anxious. I beg you, do something ! » In the absence of the director of Beit Rivka, who corrected at that day copies in another building, the secretary and her surveillant have driven to the collège Albert Camus. They found two groups of students, highly excited, and tried to calm them. When one of the adolescents threw herself on Guittel, who grasped her hair, M. Fleischer intervened in vain, because other adolescents started to hit Guittel, who found herself on the ground. According to testimonies of students of Beit Rivka, five or six girls were on their comrade, while a dozen others hit her with feet, fists, or bags.

A version that is contradicted by the pedagogical staff of the collège Albert Camus. All aussre not to have seen than a riot between two girls and talking of « hits exchanged ». Intrigued, the president asks to read the depositions of students of Albert Camus. Several among these have acknowledged, before the police, to have given Guittel kicks by feet, fist and bags, while Guittel fought, within the hold of her principal agressor.

Another point of divergence: the students of Beit Rivka are formal (?), no-one else but their surveillant, M. Fleischer, has intervened to stop the riot. The testimony of Yohevet, another student, is overwhelming. Standing straight at the bar, the adolescent, thin silhouet, fluid expressoin, weak timbre, firm voice explains calmly : « I was there from beginning to end and I have seen no-one with respect to M. Fleisher. I have simply seen a young man, with a white sweater, with crossed arms… » The president: « These are serious accusations. Are you sure of what you say ? » Yohevet signals ‘yes’. « Do you recognize among the two surveillants who are here those who you say remained with crossed arms ? » She again signals ‘yes’. The young man denies and protest : « I have intervened ! ». His surveillant collegue assures too that he tried to stop the riot. « You were with three men to separate two 15-year old girls who were fighthing ? », astonishes the president.

When the riot had ended, M. Fleischer took his students outside the collège. They were followed by two or three students of Albert Camus, who shouted : « Don’t come back tomorrow, we will exterminate you ! ». The next day, two of the three girls did not want to come again to the college to pass the last exams. The others were escorted by policemen. Following this episode, one of them prefered to leave France. She since pursues her education in Israël. Guittel, examined by a registered doctor (?), has an interruption of work of four days in full, which are transformed, after the ‘examen approfondi’, in a rest of six weeks, with head and chin brace (?).

At the stand, the director of Beit Rivka is astonished by the behaviour of the principal of the collège. « I have called her so we could reflect together about what we could do. She refused all dialogue. She layed the blame on my students. She told me, in her college, there has never been a problem. » The lawyer of the defence, Maître Horny, asks : « Your school is an institution Loubavitch ? » « Yes », answeres the director.

In his pleadings for the civil parties, Maître Buchinger does not neglect to point out the strangeness of this question : « I’ve heard on the benches of the other party a remark that made me shiver. I have trouble understanding this insinuation. or rather, I fear to understand it too well ! ». And the advocate pointed out also the attitude of the procureur (*) during the previous hearing that was held in october. The procureur had demanded a deposit of the civil parties (this is the sum of money a plaintiff deposits to guarantee the seriousness of his complaint). He had even threatened to follow the parents of Guittel for abuse of procedure. « Is it, thunders maître Buchinger, that there are citizens who have the right to appeal to justice, and others who don’t have or no longer have that right ? » Besides that, on 5 décembre, the procureur has given an order of ‘classement sans suite’ (filing without continuance), with a simple reminder to the law for the instigators of the agression. [I’m not sure about this part]

(*) This looks to mean the State’s attorney-general/prosecutor, not the attorney of the other party (procureur has several meanings in French law).

Then Buchinger denounces the attitude of the principal and vice-principal. For him, the delict of non-assistance to a person in danger has been proven: « No precaution was taken when they knew that 22 students of a jewish school came to pass the exams ! During the trial, they have belittled the facts. The students of Albert Camus have been more honest than the responsibles of their institution. They have acknowledged that it was not a simple cat fight between two girls but that Guittel was attacked by several of them ! » Maître Buchinger is astonished that after the attack the principal did not judge it useful to make a signalement to the prosecutor of the State. To the contrary, he continues, when the next day the father of a student who was hit arrived at the college, agitated, and said : « My girl has been raised in a cocoon. If something happens to her, I’m going to set the college on fire ! », Mme Borde has filed charges. « If there had been the smallest objective treatment on the side of the principal and her vice-principal, we would not be before this tribunal », exclaims maître Buchinger. Finally, the advocate of the civil parties hackles « the outrageous and cynical demand » of the responsables of the institution. They demand in effect 15 000 euros each (100 000 francs) of damages by way of damage to good name (préjudice moral) that they estimate to have suffered.

Henceforward, the students of Beit Rivka will pass the finals in a private catholic school. With respect to the judgment, that will be given April 1st.

Comment to the previous post:

As always the precise facts make the case look a little different. Still it is quite clear that it would stretch the ‘duty of care’ to make the principal liable for not taking precautions simply because there is going to be a group of Jewish students at the school. OTHO I can understand why the parents of the girl were angry, if they thought the principal acted as is stated in the article. Still, the girls even accuse apparently some of their own surveillants not to have stepped in.

Still, a fight between school girls, even if racially based insults were given, doesn’t seem to merit the stamp of an anti-semitic attack. It appears that the girls of Albert Camus were provoked by insults themselves, and unfortunately held the wrong ones responsible. In the current climate in Europe it is quite common that every non-native group is rather edgy. It doesn’t look like the girls were motivated by antisemitic tendencies (it said the exams have taken place for years, apparently without problems) but only thought to be retaliating.

The article furthermore makes clear that the principal did file a counter-claim for moral damages.

Maybe the thread title should be changed: ‘Girl gets beaten in mistaken school fight; parents have to pay damages for libel of principal’. A pity that the incident and law suit had to happen; moreso the pity that this thread had to go to such unfortunate depths.

(And, oh, thanks, Dewey)

Rereading the article it appears that the parents filed two criminal complaints: one against the girls, and one against the principal and vice-principal. The first one was dismissed out of hand by the public prosecutor (with a simple warning of the girls). The second came before the correctional court (which does indicate criminal proceedings). However, that the trial concerned a second criminal complaint seems odd since mention is made of civil parties. Furthermore the criminal court could as far as I know not award civil damages to be paid by the plaintiff. That would require separate proceedings. But maybe I’m wrong here, I’d have to look it up.

Because it’s like the boy who cried wolf. It makes it harder to take seriously any credible and serious incidents of anti-Semitism, when people like december keeps making false accusations.

And especially when people like Fang (who lives in the area) and Fenris (whom most of us trust much more than december on matters such as these) disagree completely with december.

—Comments from the conservative posters to that message board showed more concern about anti-Semitism than the comments here.—

Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t have a lot of sense that this is any sort of geniune sympathy in those places, but rather a use of sympathy as the latest party line to attack enemy targets. Ten years ago, it was “all those whiny Jews wont shut up about their victim status just because of a few minor incidents.” Now, because it suits the political winds, out come the croc tears.

I certainly don’t ever get a sense from you, december, that you actually care about the human beings hurt in these threads. They are treated as convieniences for your ultimate motive: which is usually to make some grand and sweeping attack on another group. Your posts are never simply: “how terrible for this girl, and what assholes are the people who attacked her.” They are, instead, regurgitated opinions of bloggers whose obvious agenda is “ah, here is something that fits my program of political spin!”

The problem is: most people here now know your tactics. I spelled out your MO in the BBC thread, and this is no different (though the title issue is more subtle, using the “French” as a proxy for “a French court”)

And the sad thing is, I despise the legal concept of offensive speech that is part of French law, or punishments for false accusations. If you had a principle behind your criticism (speech is not violence), and a scope (this law is wrong), you have be at your side, not nipping at your heels.

Ok, I can see the “boy who cried wolf” analogy, and I agree. False accusations of anti-Semitism (or racism, homophobia, etc.) do not help, and can detract from the fight against real injustices.

Still, I wouldn’t say the actions of these parents, even if manipulative and selfish, contribute to anti-Semitism per se. The true anti-Semites are such because of their own misguided, irrational, hatred of certain other people, not because of what individual Jewish people do or say. To imply otherwise, seems close to “blaming the victim”, IMHO.

I apologize for not making this clear earlier. Full disclosure: I do not live in France; I am an American born and raised. I am a French citizen because my father was born in Algeria during the French colonial period, fleeing during the revolution to France (Jews were not quite popular 'round those parts in that time period, or even now for that matter as I understand it), and then coming to the US still at a young age. I am proficient in French (not fluent though - it was at one point my native language, but as I learned English I forgot much of my French and had to relearn it later), so I can procure relatively accurate translations of French texts. I do have a personal stake in this issue in any case, as I have a substantial number of Jewish relatives living in France.

Well, I do have a lot of sympathy for the girls who were attacked, the girls were afraid to return to the Camus school the next day to finish their exams, the girl who left France entirely to be schooled in Israel, and Guittel, who was fairly seriously injured: “Guittel, examined by a registered doctor (?), has an interruption of work of four days in full, which are transformed, after the ‘examen approfondi’, in a rest of six weeks, with head and chin brace (?).”

I was chilled by this comment:

Apparently staring straight at somebody was provocation for being beaten by a group, and there was little recourse for the victim.

More broadly, I am quite concerned about the plight of the Jews in France, for whom this sort of thing is not uncommon. I am also fearful of this kind of thing happening elsewhere. Within the last half year, there were incidents at [url=http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin3/020930b.asp]Concordia College in Canada[/url and at UC Berkeley and San Francisco State, where Arabs attacked Jews and the college officials did not properly discipline the perps IMHO. I have written to the chancellors of Berkeley and SF State to express my concern about these incidents. One purpose of this thread was to bring this particular problem to the attention of Dopers.

TTT, thank you so much for the translation and your legal analysis. I agree with almost all of what you wrote, but for a couple of points.

Although this incident can be described as a fight between school girls, I don’t think that conveys the real experience. The Jewish girls were threatened as soon as they arrived. They were cursed at. They were attacked by large numbers of Camus students. The article says, “When one of the adolescents threw herself on Guittel, who grasped her hair, M. Fleischer intervened in vain, because other adolescents started to hit Guittel, who found herself on the ground. According to testimonies of students of Beit Rivka,** five or six girls were on their comrade, while a dozen others hit her with feet, fists, or bags.**” When seventeen or eighteen Camus students use fists, feet and bags to beat up one Jewish girl, this is not a catfight; it’s a mob attack.

Even some of the attackers acknowledged that this was not just a fight between girls.

A most interesting quote from the article is

If this is true, then the Camus school tolerates a high level of violence.

As to whether the attack really was based on anti-semitism, I think a careful reading of TTT’s translation makes it clear. Each of you will make your own decision.

—Well, I do have a lot of sympathy for the girls who were attacked—

Really? Then why are you only ever concerned about someone when their troubles happen to fall into the standard spin notes of the week? Why Jews in France all of a sudden, and not before (its not like this hasn’t been a problem before, and there haven’t been much worse incidents than this)?

Hell, there are quite a few kids in America getting their asses kicked on a daily basis, and you don’t give a shit about it, december. What about kids from the Middle East who are being targeted? H’uh?

What about the Muslim Americans who were harassed directly after September 11?

Jackass.

So, is it correct to label mutual antipathy as racism every time “our” side loses? The pro-Jewish site that we have been examining (without recourse to a neutral description of either the assault or the trial) notes that occupants of the Jewish school initiated catcalls of “nigger” and that the girl’s father used the word “arabs” to describe the assailants (a word which, when not strictly referring to actual Arabs–which the assailants were not, they were Mehgreb–is, indeed, a racist insult in much of Europe, although december has repeated the word numerous times in his presentation).

I would be really interested in seeing how this case was reported in the press of the Mehgreb community.

I have seen quite a bit of evidence of anti-Jewish attitudes in France over the years. From my recollections (rather than based on actual studies), I would guess that there is more anti-Jewish feeling in France than in most other European countries–Poland and Austria being the other competitors for the “lead.” On the other hand, “more anti-Jewish feeling” does not automatically translate to “the society hates Jews.”

However, all the details in this story (as presented) look like typical “turf” mentality on both sides and there does not appear to be (neutral) evidence that either the Camus school or the courts engaged in anti-Jewish behavior.

**december,[/] you still haven’t addressed a major issue here, which is how even an antisemitic attack conceivably justifies filing a baseless lawsuit against the school administrators, falsely accusing them of antisemitic motives for an alleged failure to stop an attack.

Bonus points if you address the (IMO) partial culpability of the Jewish students for starting with the racist taunts. (Not that you porbably care about my bonus points, but what the heck.)

Hey december, where is your moral outrage every time I post about being bullied in school? Where was your moral outrage when I posted about kids throwing shit at me because they thought I was gay? Or does something have to be clearly instigated by democrats/the left wing for you to start a thread on it?

Just wondering, is all.

Against the school, possibly (assuming the school had some responsabilities) but not against the principal. And in France there’s a separate order of courts for trials involving public/governmental institutions (the “administrative courts”).
By choosing to sue the principal in a regular court rather than the school in an admnistrative court, the parents were obviously making the point that the principal (not the school), the individual, not as the official in charge, but as a private person, was to blame for the whatever happened to their daughter.