"your cow-orkers day off is more important than your day off"

One of my supervisors loves to play favorites with her employees, and it shows. I’ll gladly fill in for a coworker who needs time off – from November 2005 through June 2006 I was doing my own job plus covering for one coworker or another who was on maternity leave. The kicker is that the favor is never returned. If I need to take time off, I’m expected to put in extra hours during the week or work weekends to get everything finished in advance. I’m not allowed to ask for help.

My coworker “Pat” ran into the same problem last year when she had to have gall bladder surgery. Our supervisor routinely assigned extra work to Pat when other coworkers were out of the office. I offered to take over some of Pat’s work during her surgery, but my supervisor forbid it outright. She said that the work was Pat’s responsibility. I later learned that the supervisor told Pat to finish her work in the hospital if necessary.

This what I’ve been thinking since I started reading this thread. We’re not talking about bad companies or bad policy but bad managers. I think that bad managers pull this kind of crap only because people keeping keep letting them. Once an employee steps up and says “no, let’s go talk to HR about it”, things change. Chances are that upper management may not know that they have managers pulling this crap.

Let’s see if I can find the figures on the obscene surpluses that Canada’s EI system has had since they made it so difficult for anyone to claim it - in my opinion, a safety net like the EI system should be a break even endeavour (well, only as much in it as the gov’t-set reserve). If they’re making literally billions of dollars of surplus, we are paying way too freakin’ much in. Okay, here’s a cite:

Here’s and even more interesting, current one:

Hey, you’ve given me an idea, levdrakon - how about four years of non-contiguous discretionary leave for all Canadians to use during their working years? You can use 'em for mat leave, pat leave, medical leave, or just cause you feel like it. That would help take care of that pesky EI surplus. :smiley:

:: bats eyes innocently ::

Or – hey! You supernice Little Brothers of the North[sup]TM[/sup] could send all that lovely surplus down here to prop up Social Security!

What?

Speaking with inside knowledge, I can confirm that the surplus exists on paper only.

Oh yeah? Well, I don’t have any family or close friends*. Why should you get bereavment leave, when it’s something I’ll never need? Bereavment leave is unfair to friendless orphans!
[sub]*Not actually true.[/sub]

This is about a day late, but I don’t understand this question.

In salaried positions at least, employees get certain amounts of vacation, sick and personal time they can “charge” when they are out of work. Kid miss the bus and you have to drive him to school? Charge personal time. Have to go to the hospital once a month during work hours? Charge sick time. Going on vacation? Well, you know.

The actual amount of time you get in each category depends on who you work for and for how long (usually). Some companies don’t even make the distinction any more and just lump everything into a single time “pool”.

Everybody gets the same sick leave. What am I missing?

I should ahve metion that not of that includes stuff like maternity leave, and only applies to larger companies. Small businesses have their own policies.

If you’re, say, a bartender in a non-chain neighborhood tavern and you take a two-week vacation, that’s two weeks you aren’t getting paid. I don’t weep for 'em, though. The bartenders I know are doing pretty well for themselves. Then again, this is Albany, and we have a lot of politicians and judges and whatnot here.

Not that I’m implying anything.

That also happened to me all the time when I worked at a drugstore whose name may or may not end with a color. It was always the single, young employee who had to work on Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc. Because God knows I don’t have a family that I would like to be with. They gave the BUDDHIST woman Easter off, but not me. sigh

That job sucked. Sucked real bad.

I breifly worked for one of those cheesy little acessory stores that can be found in every mall in America when I was in college. I say “breifly” because the damn job was a joke. I was the assistant manager and got paid one whole quarter more than the sales associates. That’s right. Livin’ large at $5.25 an hour. Whoo!

My manager was a bi-ach from hell. I told her a good 6 months in advance that I was going to Florida on spring break. I filled out a vacation request form, which she signed. The plane tickets had been purchased. Hotel reservations made. About 2 weeks before I was supposed to leave, I reminded her of my trip.

Her: oh no, you can’t take vacation that week.

Me: what the hell are you talking about? You signed my vacation request form six months ago.

Her: Well, that’s a blackout week. No one can take vacation that week.

Me: Well, why did you sign my request form then?

Her: I must’ve forgot.

Me: Well, the tickets have been purchased. The hotel has been reserved. These things are non-refundable. I can’t not go.

Her: That’s not my problem.

Me: It is now. I quit.

This was a woman that made me drive 45 minutes to work on a day when there was a storm so bad they were advising people to stay off the roads. A woman who would routinely make me work 9 hours without a break, or when I would get a break, would make me eat my lunch in the storage room because “there must be a manager on site at all times.”

I was so damn happy to get out of that shithole. And I had another job within a week of my return. Crappy mall jobs aren’t too hard to find, after all.

At the risk of continuing this hijack, this statement has me very curious. Are you saying that the Canada Employment Insurance Fund’s bank account doesn’t have 50 billion extra dollars in it?

Dudes- when it gets like this- make them fire you. Don’t quit. If they fire you they have to explain it to their supervisors and the EDD.

Both of these are illegal. I assume this was a long time ago? Too long ago to file a claim now?

Along with what Exgineer said, comparing a condition that is usually involuntary (disability) to something that is usually voluntary (pregnancy) isn’t really valid.

Almost 10 years ago, yeah. I’m not crying at night over it or anything. In fact, just the other day, I was finally able to set foot in one of those stupid little stores again (it was a hair acessory emergency, if you will) so I’m over it. Besides, i’m a firm believer in karma and I know if she hasn’t already, she’ll get hers.

It is when we are talking employment conditions.
When we work in NZ, we know that everyone is entitled to parental leave, we also know that everyone, should they have the misfortune to become very ill and need alot of sick leave, they will get it (although there is a limit to the amount, but it is very generous).
We know this and expect it.

Question: Isn’t it a basic employment law in the States that employees must have regular breaks etc?

It seems that the law varies by state, and that not all states have laws regarding breaks. Here’s a breakdown from the U.S. Department of Labor.

Some employers lie to their workers to get around break and overtime requirements. When my dad was scheduled for a 46-hour work week a few years ago, his boss told him that he wouldn’t be getting overtime. According to the boss, the company was exempt from overtime laws unless the employee worked at least 48 hours. Dad called bullshit on that and pointed out the Department of Labor posters prominently displayed in the store’s back room. The boss cut Dad’s hours when he demanded time-and-a-half for the extra work.

I was working for a chain pizza restaurant - my favorite pizza place - back around 1986. I was a student at a small business school at the time. Some of us at the school had put together a softball team, and had scheduled a tournament against other branches of our school. Playing in the tournament would require going out of town, and so I requested that weekend off at work, three weeks in advance.

The manager approved my request. A week later I double-checked with him, and he assured me that I would have that weekend off.

The next week I checked the schedule for the week in question. Sure enough, I was scheduled off for those days.

As it happened, the tournament was cancelled at the last minute, and so I didn’t go out of town. Instead, I’m sitting at home, eating dinner with my family on Sunday evening, when the telephone rings. It’s the assistant manager, wanting to know why I’m not at work.

Me: “Um, well, because I asked for the weekend off, and <insert manager’s name> told me I could take it off?”

AsstMgr: (Indignantly) “Let me check with him.” (pause) “He says he said nothing of the sort.”

Me: “I’m afraid he did.” (Mind you, on top of the manager telling me twice that I’d have the days off, I also had a witness to the fact that the schedule originally showed that I was given the days off.)

AM: “So are you coming to work?”

Me: “No.”

AM: “Well, why don’t you come in tomorrow and we’ll have a little chat?”

Me: (Steaming by this time) “Fine. Talk to you later.”

I spent the evening laundering my uniforms and composing my letter of resignation, which I delivered to my managers the next day. Then I picked up a comment card on my way out - the card included the mailing address for corporate headquarters. At home, I composed a letter To Whom It May Concern at corporate headquarters. I had photocopied my letter of resignation, which listed a good number of reasons for my leaving (the day off thing was just the final straw), and in the letter to corporate, I fleshed those reasons out, providing the details that didn’t need spelling out for the managers.

I don’t know how much my letter had to do with it, but the managers were both fired a couple months later :smiley:

Incidentally, I strongly suspect that that assistant manager had something to do with the scheduling snafu that got me fired from a bartending job a couple years later. You see, his uncle bought the bar while I was working there, and the former AsstMgr came to work there. There was a “surprise” change to my schedule - as in “I was surprised that I wasn’t informed of this change until the uncle called me at home to ask why I wasn’t at work” - sound familiar? I hurried on down to work, where the uncle decided to fire me because I “couldn’t be at work when [I’m] supposed to be”. With his nephew, my former AsstMgr, smirking at me behind him. Guess who got my old shift once I was gone?
Anyway, here I am in the same general line of work 20 years later (hey, I like it). I finally have a job where I’m virtually guaranteed to have Sundays off. That’s important to me for two reasons: I play the bass guitar at church on Sunday mornings, and I like having one consistent night off so that I can schedule a regular gettogether with friends.

I’m working at the city convention center. I only work when there is an event scheduled. I’m the only person who does my job, and so if there’s an event, I’m there. If there’s no event, I’m not there. This means that I never again have to worry about somebody calling in sick and making me have to come in on my day off. Because if I have the day off, it means there’s no work to be done. I really, really like this situation. In the last ten years I’ve grown increasingly fed up with undependable people who are always calling in sick or asking for time off, because I’m always the guy who gets called to fill in. See, I’m Mr. Dependable. If I’m on the schedule, I show up. On time. Every day. And I’m fortunate enough that I can’t remember the last time I was sick enough to call in sick. I just don’t do that. And I rarely ask for time off.

The problem is this: My actual employer is the fancy hotel next door. The city contracts with the hotel to staff the convention center. The hotel restaurant has three or four people who do the same job I do at the convention center. And somehow, at least once a week, one or another of those guys can’t come to work. Guess what happens? My phone rings, and it’s the hotel restaurant chef wanting to know if I can come fill in, because he sees I’m not scheduled to work at the convention center today …

Oh, I said, “Sure” the first couple times. When I got called for the third Sunday in a row, I told the chef, “Sorry, I have plans for the evening”. When my cell phone rang on the fourth Sunday in a row, I saw who was calling and I ignored it. Now, I turn my cell phone ringer off on Sunday.

If I don’t go fill in on Sunday evening, then the guy who worked the morning shift has to pull a double. Oh boo-hoo-hoo. Did I mention I’m the only guy doing my job at the convention center? Events sometimes go on all day long. I regularly have to work 10-12-15 hour days, back to back to back to back. I worked a 17-hour shift once - practically nonstop. And came in the next day - a scheduled day off - and worked for six more hours to finish up what I couldn’t get done the night before. And I’m 40 years old. My back hurts. I’ve got bad knees. But I show up and do my job. I don’t want to hear about 18-22-year-olds who are too tired or sick (read: hung over) to come to work.

The EI fund has been consolidated into the general government money pool (the Consolidated Revenue Fund) since 1986. The Employment Insurance Account is used to track the net surplus or deficit in the EI share of the government’s balance, but there is no separate fund of money sitting in the bank somewhere.

The main concern of the Auditor General is not that the money is only there on paper, but that the EI tax rates are set artificially high, and are being used to subsidize other government spending, which is, if not illegal, at least contrary to the intent of the Act. This practice inceases the actual cash available to the government without having to do something more visible, such as increase income tax or GST rates, cut spending, or affect the deficit/surplus.

You are only paid at 50% of your wage/salary though. And this is through our employment insurnace program, not employer. Therefore, if you do not pay in to EI, you do not get paid leave.

Wow, you guys got told when your days off were changed?

I was working at a well-known 24-hour copy store many years ago. I had a regular shift working full-time; my week ran Wed-Sun with Monday and Tuesday off.

One Monday morning, the day I was always off, my phone rang at 10:00 AM.

“Where are you? You’re late!”

“What?”

“You’re three hours late! Get in here!”

“What?”

“We need you now!”

“Uh, I don’t work Mondays.”

“You’re on the schedule.”

“I’m what?”

You can see that I was slow to realize it.

So I came in and there I was, on the whiteboard used for scheduling, scheduled to work Monday and Tuesday, my “weekend”.

“Huh,” I thought.

So next chance I got, I asked the manager. He was, um, mad at me for coming in “late”.

“But I’m not scheduled for Mondays. I never work Mondays.”

“But you were scheduled for Monday and Tuesday this week.”

“Why?”

“I changed the schedule,” he said.

“But…if you change the schedule, asking me to work on my nominal ‘weekend’, you have to tell me.”

“No – it’s your responsibility to read the schedule board and notice things like that.”

“I did read it last week, about 3 days ago.”

“This change was more recent than that,” he said evasively.

Okay, so, it’s one thing to insist that I read the board just in case a scheduling change has secretly been made, one that’s never been done before. But we all know it’s just plain stupid to schedule someone to work on his weekend, at the last minute, and not tell him. If you’re a manager, and you want people to do something, telling them is about the only way to make it happen.

So I asked what happened.

“Someone else needed time off at the last minute, and I knew you’re normally reliable.”

Okay, so that’s triply insulting – not only taking my time without asking, not only setting me up for a fall by not even giving me a heads-up about a last minute change, but then throwing in “normally reliable” like this was in any way my fault.

“Who needed the time off?”

“That shouldn’t be important.”

So he wouldn’t tell me who took the time off – but he DID let everyone know I’d been scheduled to cover. Someone’s privacy mas protected, it just wasn’t mine.

The next day, the person who’d taken the time off came up to me to thank me.

The new, pretty girl.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…now I understand why the pecking order worked this way. The new, pretty girl needed a favor! Why didn’t you just say so?

That manager was eventually fired, but it was over a year later.

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