I dunno. What do you mean by ‘verbalize’?“Oink! Oink!” is definitly out. “Why can’t you be skinny like her sister?” yeah, that one is used a lot. “Damn! You can’t even walk a block without wheezing!” sounds pretty straightfoward to me.
My daughter has acne scars and I never once shamed her about them. And yet somehow she knows that they are not aesthetically appealing. She’s reminded every day that her pimpley face does not meet many people’s standard of beauty. I guess the time to apply that that shame stick is when your kid is too fat and ugly for you.
You are no longer at a healthy weight and are at a dangerous level of obesity again, because you started eating too much again and stopped getting any exercise.
Sorry. If there was some question I was supposed to answer, I must’ve missed it in all this drivel:
Maybe that sort of thing is how you bond with your low-self-esteem friends, but it doesn’t drive me to help you with whatever question you wanted help with.
Oh, and I don’t think the word “approbation” means what you think it does. I assume that’s the word you misspelled; it’s the closest word to “opprobation” I can find.
How about “You aren’t muscley enough for this BMI to be good news. Your mind and body are one, you can’t neglect either aspect of yourself”
Kids like that new age shit right?
I think including some health info could be useful to decent parents and it doesn’t really matter what the jerky parents see on the card if they are intent on insulting their children.
I’m not sure acne scarring can be compared to actual health concerns over weight, though I know the same concerns are there in regards to self image and over-reacting in an unhealthy way. There are healthy ways for most people to deal with their weight problem- acne not so easy.
You think acne issues are harder to solve than weight issues? I’d say they were just about even, except weight issues just don’t all of a sudden clear up when you are past puberty.
64% of Americans are overweight. 64% of Americans do NOT have acne scars.
I’d say both are equally damaging. However, as it stands now, weight is more dangerousto your health and lasts a hell of a lot longer for most Americans.
I’m saying they are completely different types of issues to “solve”. Acne scarring cannot be cured through lifestyle changes the way most weight issues can. As you say acne (rather than scarring) passes for the most part, for most people. When I said “not so easy” I meant actually attacking acne (not waiting it out) requires some ugly chemicals and scar repair generally requires some kind of surgery.
Yup. And part of that is because I’m sick of going outside and getting called ‘Shamu.’ Because, thanks to years of careful attention by people in general, I’m well aware that I’m fat and will always be fat, no matter what I weigh. So, if I’m going to be miserable anyways, why shouldn’t I enjoy at least what few pleasures I can?
So, getting back to the question I’d tried to ask: What measurable benefit has there been from all that shit everyone feels the need to dump on me? As far as I can tell, the only benefit has been sadism. No matter what pious phrases have been uttered about it being for my own good.
And to link back to the OP, this proposal looks to be more of the same, unless some effort is taken to keep the BMI information private - and I don’t believe report cards represent an acceptable level of security.
You won’t be fat no matter what you weigh. If you are at a healthy weight, you are no longer fat. It makes more rational sense to talk to a psychologist, if you feel this way, than it does to just give up and eat yourself to an early grave and be bitter and hostile at the world before you go.
And another thing, OtakuLoki. Has it ever occured to you that perhaps you’re not the only fat person in the world? That perhaps this thread isn’t just about you and your sad childhood?
As it turns out, I’m overweight and it bugs me too. If I would’ve learned to eat better and enjoy exercise more as a kid, maybe I’d be a healthier person today. And I don’t think there’s any excuse for not doing the best we can to educate our kids better in that department. And by “educating”, I don’t just mean telling them what to eat at school; much more importantly, I mean encouraging their parents to feed them and exercise them properly.
As I said earlier, it saddens me that you try to inflict your obviously deeply-felt woes on an entire next generation for some completely irrational reason.
I have never said that some measurement shouldn’t be done. I have stated, rephrased, and restated, that unless the purpose of this proposal is to use ridicule to “encourage” those with unhealthy body types to change, using the report card is not a sufficiently secure means of communicating this data.
What you and many others in this thread seem unable to recognize is that I don’t see any positive benefit to ridicule. I believe such data, especially from such a flawed method as BMI, will be used as fuel for ridicule - unless it is closely guarded. One last time, none of the teachers who have spoken up in this thread have actually supported the idea of a report card being a secure means of communication. In fact, I believe that all of the teachers who have addressed the point state they do not believe report cards to be secure.
I needed a good laugh, and this was just the ticket. Thanks, OtakuLoki.
Please go back and re-read every post you’ve made to me and I to you.
a. you’ll discover this wasn’t your message at all.
b. you’ll discover that your message is consistently the one filled with scorn and insult and ridicule. The closest I came to ridiculing you was to correctly refer to your behavior as irrational.
So, in addition to being fat, unhappy, and nasty, it comes to pass that you’re a hypocrite as well.
Biggirl, I agree that shame isn’t what’s needed or wanted. But making parents aware that there is a health risk in their child and giving them information on how to make it better doesn’t need to involve shame. and shouldn’t.
Reminds me of the scene in Corrina, Corrina (not a great movie or anything, just a relevant memory):
Where’d you get the idea I thought giving parents this information was a bad idea? All I said was report cards are the second stupidest way to give parents this information.
