Remember the Unbreakable Vow that Snape made to Narcissa Malfoy-I think Draco was originally assigned to kill Dumbledore.
Another thing that I noted-Dumbledore, when speaking to Voldemort, always addresses him as Tom. Considering that Dumbledore is the only wizard that You-Know-Who has ever feared, I find that interesting.
I think Snape with turn out to either A: Be good overall or B: Save Harry’s life (intentionally) or give his own to save his (Harry’s) (kinda goes along with A).
And here is why.
It’s been said a few times that J.K Rowling has said that she got shivers from watching the third movie…because the director put in things that were unintentional yet that foreshadow things to come (in book seven) that nobody knew about yet.
Well, in reading Wikipedia the other night, in a section about Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban book and movie differences, one jumped out at me.
Apparently, it said, in the movie, Snape, upon seeing that Lupin has turned into a werewolf, moves in front of the three main characters as if to protect them for a few seconds initially. Owning a copy of the movie, I then went home and watched this and he does indeed, place himself over them as if he’s shielding them. The article went on to say that this doesn’t happen nor is mentioned at all in the book as even close to happening.
I thus theorize that THIS is one of the moments she was talking about, and this is because that she knows that Snape does turn out to be this type of character–a good guy who would give himself over the lives of other good and main characters.
I am sure that Draco was supposed to kill Dumbledore as well. AD calls Voldy Tom because that is his name and he was a student of AD’s in school. They have a conversation about it, IMS, when Voldy comes to apply for the vacant teaching post. AD says something along the lines of “you must indulge an old teacher; I can’t help but call my students by their first names.” or something to that effect.
I say Snape’s good, and it will show in the end. <crosses fingers>
The bettting stats make my head spin!
It’s a children’s book. The books are written for children and teenagers. Realistic or not, as a motivation it would appeal to kids.
And no, none of the Big Three will die, and yes, I’ll put money on it.
You can appeal to kids without writing Sweet Valley High. In fact, Rowling has done so for six books in the series. Why cheapen the finale with a move that has Snape’s worth essentially based on him passing notes that say, “Dear L.E. Do you want to go steady? Yes No Maybe .”
About those odds for people dying in book 7:
Is this for real? Has Vegas just fallen for the same stupid logic used by so many others, that “2 characters who were going to live are now going to die” must = “2 characters and only 2 characters will die” ?, because looking at some of those 20, 30 and 40 to 1 payoffs, I’m pretty sure a few of them are a lock to happen. And! Hermione and Ron (9-1) TWICE as likely as Pettigew and Snape (20-1) ??! Anyways, JK Rowling has said this book is going to be a bloodbath.
Also, this has nothing to do with this, but it bugs the hell out of me, and was mentioned a couple times in this thread…Everybody seems to hands down accept as fact the notion that Harry and Voldemort can’t face off with wands because what happened before will happen again. Now shouldn’t this only happen if the “streams are crossed”,so to speak, and aren’t spells and whatnot more like bursts of energy, aimed and shot, rather than a constant stream? wasn’t is a stroke of chance the spells collided ? wouldn’t it be most unlikely for 2 duelers’ spells to hit one another again?
This is going to make me look shallow, but I can’t help it.
I feel sympathy for Snape and ultimately want him to be good because of my affection for Alan Rickman. It’s sad but true - and if Snape were played by any other actor, I might not care as much in the end. Its my own stupid fault, because I had watched the first two movies before I started reading the books. However, when reading the books, I don’t imagine all the characters as the actors…just Snape.
I find it nearly impossible to believe Snape is bad. There have been many times he’s helped and even saved Harry when no one would have known if he hadn’t. In OotP, when Harry has been captured in Umbridge’s office trying to find out if Sirius was captured by Voldy, Snape comes in at Umbridge’s orders. Harry gives him a secret message, which he, in true form, coldly dismisses. Later, Dumbledore tells Harry how Snape contacted the Order immediately and sent people to rescue Harry.
I haven’t restarted book 6 yet, but I’m pretty sure I remember a couple of instances there, including a big one after he kills Dumbledore.
Plus, I just don’t think this is a mistake Dumbledore would make. He’s made quite a few and admitted to them, but not something like this. It wouldn’t surprise me if Snape had even insisted on taking veritaserum or allowing Legillamency (sp?) by Dumbledore to prove his loyalty. Dumbledore did say he was a pretty good Legillamens when he talked about getting answers from Kreacher.
After he kills Dumbledore? I hope you find that, because I don’t recall any such and I’d find it very interesting.
Dumbledore told Harry repeatedly that he had a very good reason for trusting Snape, but never told him what it was. I assume that’s one of the things we’ll learn from Book 7.
In fact if we don’t learn that, whatever else we learn about Snape, I’ll think Rowling dropped the ball.
Perhaps, but it sort of implies a certain kind of disdain-or that as Dumbledore is the only wizard Voldy has ever feared, then Dumbledore is the only wizard who DOESN’T fear YKW.
I think perhaps high school dramas take on a little more meaning in Rowling’s world, since there’s seems to be only one high school for the wizarding world in the UK.
Snape prevents Death Eaters from hurting Harry, and tells him what he needs to do if he wants to defeat Voldemort.
I always thought he did it to, A) subtly appeal to his human nature and keep him in his place, or B) to piss him off. Probably a bit of both.
That’s what I was thinking of.
Last night A&E had on a special called Harry Potter : the hidden secrets. It’s focused on the movie coming out Wednesday. It brought up a few points I hadn’t noticed or seen mentioned here that could have relevance for the last book too.
When Voldy killed the Potters who collected what was left of Voldemort? How did Peter Pettigrew have his wand for the incantation at the Riddle graveyard? What answers will Harry find about the death of his parents? Who was there and how did it all really happen?
Every book had a character who had a major reveal at the end of the story that showed they were not who you thought they were the entire time. Major misdirection. #1 Quirrell was really a parasite host for Voldemort. #2 Lockhart is a fraud. #3 had a trifecta of Sirius being good, Lupin being a werewolf, and the Weasley family rat scabbers is Pettigrew. #4 Mad Eye is Barty Crouch Jr. #5 Umbridge goes from a prim twit to ready to use the Cruciatus Curse, an unforgivable curse. Not allowed for somebody who is supposed to be all Law and Order. (Ok this is a weak example but it’s all I got.) #6, Cumulation of Snapes duplicity, or is it tricity? Is he good or bad? Myself I’m leaning toward still trying to help Harry. Running across the lawn after Dumbledore’s death he was still telling Harry to pay attention.
Other thoughts I’ve had, is McGonagall automatically the new headmistresses? An intresting plot shift would to have Umbridge appointed. After all the ministry has been shown to have the power before.
Now regarding Shirley’s prediction of the Hermoinie / Ginny shower scene I think I would brave the crowds and see that movie on opening day. 
Another example of this is seen when the dementors are hovering above Harry and Sirius, sucking on their souls. At one point, two dementors are sucking on Harry, with two…soul strands emanating from his body. This might indicate that Harry has two souls in his body which would make him a horcrux.
I predict that Harry WAS a horcrux but Voldy didn’t intend to make him one. I also think that Harry is no longer a Horcrux. That portion of soul was taken back by Voldy when he used Harry’s blood to return to his body (again unintentional). That is why Dumbledore seemed triumphant when he learned that Voldemort had used Harry’s blood. He suspected that one of the horcruxes had been effectively destroyed.
I predict that Neville will bite it. He’s a major character but not so incredibly major that it will destroy us. I just picture his grandmother at his funeral sad but proud that Neville died finally living up to the Longbottom name. There’s been so much character development with Neville that something major will happen with him. It’s no coincidence that JKR chose him to have the same birthday as Harry.
I also think Snape will die. It will be a heroes death. I think ultimately Snape is a good guy. By nature he’s an absolutely despicable character, granted. He’s not a NICE guy but he’s chosen his side and that side is Harry’s. I’m in the “Snape loved Lily” camp. Remember how Slughorn gushed about Lily’s abilities at potions? I think Snape had a lot to do with her success. Snape was virtually friendless through school. An outcast. Any kindness to him would have gone a long way. Lily was the only person who showed him any kindness. Something like that is going to go beyond a mere schoolboy crush.
It’s been said that JKR is too good of writer to make Snape a good guy. I think JKR’s brilliance is not in creating outstanding plot twists, but in making us care about the characters. So I think she’ll spin Snape’s death so that we will actually be sad to see the death of the man we love to hate. I also think he will die in such a way that nobody will ever know for sure he was a good guy except Harry.
I think when all is said and done the series will be almost as much Snape’s story as it is Harry’s.
I don’t think Harry will die. The series tone seems to depict Harry’s journey to adulthood, not his march to the gallows. I don’t think JKR could kill Harry without changing the way we read the previous books. I don’t think I’d even WANT to read the previous books if she decided to kill Harry. They’d be too much of a downer.
Hmm… looks like someone at Wagerweb.com already knows who lives and who dies.
IMHO Lupin’s death has been pretty much telegraphed. It’s actually pretty much necessary for him to die as he’s the last of the Marauders, the Old Guard.
I also fully expect at least two of the Big Five (Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, and Neville) to die.
Of course, JKR will probably reveal some interesting twists.
True, but her plot twists are interesting. I’s no coincidence that the first three books are straightforwardly written in the form of detective novels. (The fourth is the big reveal, the fifth a transition book, and the sixth the buildup book.)
after chamber of secrets, i thought that harry should refer to voldemort as “tommy boy”.
“i’ve defeated you how many times now? tommy boy?” “really tommy boy, for a guy who thinks he is the greatest wizard around; you are really quite the slow learner!”
he should always use a snarky voice.
I think he should sound like Albert Finney in Miller’s Crossing
dannyness, I think you’ve got some great ideas here! Allow me to comment on some of them.
Two dementors sucking out Harry’s soul in Prisoner of Azkaban (the movie) - I will have to try to rent the movie and look at that again. I’ve never noticed.
Voldemort having taken back his soul portion when the spell to bring him back to the life involved blood taken from a foe (Harry), and the explanation behind that ever so mysterious look of triumph from Dumbledore - that makes a lot of sense to me! However, I thought one of the reasons supporting the “Harry is a horcrux of Voldemort” was the fact that Harry has a strong psychic connection to Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix.
I agree with the ideas in the rest of your post. Good ideas all!