Your thoughts on New Orleans?

Or not.

Let’s do a little thought exercise…

1- 80% of New Orleans was flooded (Easy enough to verify. Find your own cites)

2- One of my previously listed cites mentioned approximately 27% of the populace was below the poverty level.

3- The book cite stipulated the population distribution income-wise being that the lower income people lived in, primarily the lower areas (not so much as an “entertaining” tidbit as you’d like me to believe; rather a simple statement of observable fact to anyone who’s been there).

4- Water flows downhill.

5- New Orleans entails approximately 180 square miles of (normally) dry land.

6- The areas I mentioned as being run-down and shoddy were exactly that. An honest person could not refer to them any other way.

Extrapolating from there, if we grant that, of the 80% that flooded, somewhere near 25% was the poorer area (remember, the richer areas didn’t flood), then 25% of 80% = 20%. So, 20% of 180 square miles total would equal 45 square miles!.

Does that equal “miles and miles” to you? Even if you only allow a fraction of that, then my estimation still holds.

You. have. no. argument.

Maybe all of those sources and cites aren’t lying. Maybe you’re the one that’s not being entirely forthcoming. Maybe you should pay more attention to the Tee Vee and read more.

Seems the “cucumber cool” is fading.

what plans are being made for the houses that have been under the longest? from what i’ve seen there are houses that are complete write offs. the damage and mold is too far gone for reconstruction. about how many blocks would the most severely damaged houses encompass?

Nope. Not at all. Merely trying to help you follow along, since you’ve proven impervious to reason.

I believe your “reason” is more akin to “sentimentality,” whereas I have relied on logic and evidence.

Do you simpy intent to dispute everything I’ve presented and continue to go “la-la-la, I’m not listening”?

Some houses are being gutted and treated for mold. They will have to be rewired, probably replumbed, and depending on the location of the HVAC system, reducted. Others are being red-tagged as unsalvageable. These will be bulldozed. New flood elevation maps are being developed to assist with future planning. It will be a long process.

There are probably several hundred blocks of houses in this condition in New Orleans alone. Almost all of St. Bernard Parish took water. Much of Plaquemines as well. So… armchair estimate - - more than 1,000 blocks, less than 2,500?

To clarify: that number of blocks took water. Not all of those face the bulldozer.

Correction: 36 square miles. I’m amazed someone hasn’t jumped on my ass already for that.

Changing the subject, Ivorybill, can you contact me and let me know what kind of volunteer work I can do when I return to the city in January? I have a week and half to kill before Tulane starts classes and would like to join up with a work crew or something so I can help out. I was down there Thursday to move my stuff to a new apartment (my landlord kicked me out of my building in the Garden District so she can sell it and turn it into condos, but don’t get me started on that), and I was really overwhelmed by the sheer amount of trash and debris that’s still lying around. Let me know what I can do…

If you like the idea of doing environmentally oriented work, I suggest that you get in touch with Elizabeth Davey or Christine Murphy. Both are at Tulane. If you’d prefer something more directly involved with gutting, cleaning, and the like, I might know a few people who can get you involved with that. I’ll attempt to send you an email so that we can arrange things.

Sorry to hear that your landlord is being such a sleaze. If I knew anyone who had a decent rental, I’d let you know that, too, but the stuff on our block is mismanaged by Riverlake and I cannot recommend them at all.

Okay class. I’ve given y’all some time to spot, beyond the elementary arithmetic error, the other significant flaws in Rysdad’s little thought exercise. Either you’re too polite to point them out or you have lives to lead and have better things to do than participate further in this absurdity.

  1. I don’t know what Rysdad has against poor people, but being poor in and of itself does not necessarily mean that you live in a run-down near slum. Some poor people undoubtedly do, many do not.

  2. Rysdad did not correct for population density. Given that lower income housing is usually more congested - - smaller lots, smaller houses - - than upper income housing, merely multiplying the poverty rate by the land area is not going to provide accurate numbers.

  3. Unlike other third world cities, New Orleans doesn’t confine the poor in shanty towns or slums. Neighborhoods are mixed fairly equally around the city. So rather than one BIG block of poor folks, there are lots of little blocks of poor folks. Remember #1 above though: poor ≠ run-down near slum.

  4. Contrary to Rysdad’s recollections and his 18 year-old armchair book, not all of New Orleans’ poorest residents were in areas that flooded. The former St. Thomas Housing Project - razed and rebuilt as River Garden - was not flooded (the photo Rysdad, the photo). The Irish Channel on the lake side Tchoupitoulas was dry. Bywater along St. Claude Avenue towards the river - dry as a bone. The Fisher Housing Project in Algiers didn’t flood. Carrollton upriver of S. Carrollton: no water.

So if we put some corrective factors into place:

Let’s say 10% of the poor in New Orleans don’t live in run-down near slums.
Let’s say that population density means that there are 2x as many poor people in run-down near slums.
Let’s say that 1/3 of the poor neighborhoods didn’t flood.

Run the numbers and Rysdad=:wally

Actually, you get 36.46 squre miles of Rysdad’s initial poor New Orleans x .9 x .5 x .667 = 10.94 square miles of flooded run-down near slums.

Now, factor in that these flooded run-down near slum areas were spread around a city that had 145.84 square miles of flooded area, or 7.5% of the flooded area was run-down near slums. Still a deplorable number, at least as far as caring human beings are concerned.

Now, for an interesting comparison, let’s apply the same analysis to Minneapolis-St. Paul, Rysdad’s hometown.

According to Wikipedia, the poverty rate in Minneapolis is 11.9% and the land area is 58.4 square miles. St. Paul’s poverty rate is 15.6% and the land area is 56.2 miles. The raw poverty area, using what passes for Rysdad’s own logic (multiply poverty rates x land areas) is 15.71 square miles. Correct for 10% of poor folks not living in run-down near slums and double the population density and you get 7.7 square miles of run-down near slums in the Twin Cities, AND Rysdad still =:wally

7.7 square miles is 64.6 percent of 10.94 square miles. So the Twin Cities have nearly 2/3 the amount of flooded run-down near slums as New Orleans, and it probably isn’t even raining there at the moment. Pot meet kettle; kettle, pot.

Are there areas of New Orleans that were in desperate need of urban renewal pre-Katrina? Unfortunately, absolutely so. Many of these buildings are nearing 100 years old and were looking rather shabby before being flooded. Miles and miles? Not hardly - - blocks and blocks, sadly so.

Still, we’ll do our best to put things back together down here, even if only for the satisfaction of the small minded who will take delight should we ever be inundated again.