If the sun really did dance around, every planet in the solar system would have been jolted out of orbit.
Well, let’s not grossly exaggerate. It would only have been witnessed in the part of the world where it was daytime.
People would have noticed the earthquakes and tidal sloshing.
If I am dumb enough to directly look at the sun just because a large group of uneducated peasants are yelling at me to do so, and the sun seems to dance around(as it will do), is that an optical illusion or a miracle? What is the minimum number of people needed to stare at the sun to turn a common optical effect intol the physical movement of the sun? Can I cause the end of the world if I can convince the entire population of Baltimore to stare at the sun, or would it take New York?
Only if it becomes a nationally commemorated event.
You just don’t get sarcasm, do you, Dio?
Thank you, I was having a bad day till I read that.
Well, once you lose your sense of humor – “God” can no longer aid you. Lack of humor = no more God (or no more Music of the Ainur, to cite Tolkien’s pantheon…)
It’s amazing what people can ignore, especially if they’re in their in desperation mode to protect their public (or secret) delusions.
But having worked in social services (as I have, long ago) you knew that already, didn’t you? :rolleyes:
That’s just a nonsequitor, following all your earlier nonsequitors. Nonsequitors might be funny once or twice, but not when it’s clearly all you have.
Are you aware of what’s being claimed? It describes a rather radical re-alignment of the solar system.
What-fucking-ever, dude…
Funny you mention that, since as of this year, there’s a 13th Zodiac sign (the Serpent-Master) in the heavens…but yes, that’s nothing new, the True Zodiac has always existed, and it was only made public because the media was having a very slow news day. 
I haven’t been in the thread in a bit. Have you finally withdrawn your claim that there is evidence for the existence of God? Or are you still trying to ignore it because it’s easier for you to pretend it didn’t happen than face the fact that you are unable to come up with any such evidence?
I just want you to play fair here. Can’t you do that?
I’m not following you. Which delusions are you talking about?
There is no such thing as the “True Zodiac”. The constellations are arbitrary groupings of stars created by humans.
Do you believe in astrology as well as God? Astrology is, of course, another belief system that’s completely unsupported by empirical evidence.
Maybe he’s referring to the questions regarding the claims he’s made he’s been asked repeatedly yet ignored.
The God Delusion, obviously.
So when you said "It’s amazing what people can ignore, especially if they’re in their in desperation mode to protect their public (or secret) delusions", you were referring to the evidence that theists will ignore in order to preserve their belief in God?
I agree that the delusions of theists are pretty amazing, but that seems contrary to what you were arguing before. Have you changed your position, or are you just trying to yank our chains?
I’m STILL WAITING, too, fuzzypickles, for the “evidence” of a “higher [than human] intelligence” that you claim we atheists are ignoring.
How. fucking. long. are you going to dodge this issue?!?!
fuzzypickles, let me make it easy for you, and show you the honorable way out. If you’ll just admit, “I can’t provide any objective evidence of such a thing [as the aforementioned ‘higher intelligence’],” I (and others as well, most likely) will drop the matter. I don’t even care about an apology for the broad-brushed intellectual defamation job entailed in that original remark. I just want you to put up or shut up, once and for all, on this so-called “evidence”.
Quite the opposite. If God is constrained in any way he is not omnipotent. (Except in not doing something logically impossible.) You are the one trying to constrain him.
Omniscience is clearly the greatest amount of knowledge possible, and it has to measured by itself, The greatest is knowing everything for all time. God also obviously cannot forget, so he can’t conveniently forget what he is going to do before he does it. That God would be in as much of a fog as a mortal.
Saying he doesn’t know what he is going to do, as a subset of actions, does not work either. Since God can do everything, if he knows what he is not going to do (a lot of things) he also knows what he is going to do.
Your statement also implies that God cannot know the consequences of his actions when he makes them, otherwise he would know his actions. That makes him less knowing than the average six year old. (And equal to Adam and Eve before they ate from the Tree of Knowledge.)
I don’t understand why you are arguing this - there is no problem with God violating physical laws. He’d be a feeble god if he didn’t.
Only all the major ones. I’m not sure Zeus made lots of predictions.
You didn’t say love doesn’t exist, you said it can’t be quantified. Love is not an entity, it is just a rather fuzzy concept (like beauty or patriotism) which we can measure and quantify when it is instantiated into a person.
To get back on track, science can’t say anything about fuzzy concepts like God is the universe - you have to put a stake in the ground about how God interacts with the world to get science involved. If God doesn’t interact with the real world, science can’t say anything, but this case is equivalent to God not existing.
You should go back and reread him.
From Of the Principles of Human Knowledge
I think therefore I am - not the opposite. Clearly not all things that exist think - we have rocks - but all things that think exist.
Consciousness implies existence. Descartes clearly says that considering the problem implies consciousness, and consciousness implies existence. One who doubts he exists is in error, since doubt requires thought and thought implies existence.
These things don’t actually happen?
Which 10 of the below addresses will respond to your email with “God is Love” in the subject box if you send your list of 10 to this email address the_rolling_stones@rock.com
It doesn’t prove there is a God, but rather shows you why it’s difficult to prove to me that there is not.
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