Innovation in music and clothes has been absolutely minimal for a long time, possibly since the late sixties. This is what it looks like to me. Maybe the beginning of electronic music, and rap, in the late seventies brought some newness, but other than that it’s all extremely stable. We only see minor variations on well established themes, often there are revivals of past sound and fashion.
So when will it really change and what comes next ?
Damn kids and their “rap music.”
Get off of my lawn!
Music: You just haven’t been looking where those kids look. Trust me. I’m an old person, but being in a band exposes me to lots of it. Kids are listening to and making new stuff every day. Try browsing bandcamp.com for awhile. I guarantee you’ll find something you haven’t heard before.
Clothes: I’ve got nothing here. Ever since they discarded the toga, it’s been downhill.
The fact that you say “youth culture” invalidates your argument. Like there can be only one.
Music? Like, the sort of thing that Amon Amarth and the Pogues and Sade and Daft Punk and Ashley MacIsaac and Jim Carroll and One Direction and King Tubby and Hayseed Dixie and them were doing? Sad news, my friend, they are all still doing that thing (with some notably dead exceptions), and all have their followings among the youth. Still not going to make it to youth culture, though.
Clothes? Same deal. Japan alone has enough for a paragraph. Still not going to make it to youth culture, though.
Wanna know why? Because thousands of performances in thousands of churches and juke joints and 35 cent hotel rooms aren’t going to be funneled through a handful of gatekeepers to become a sound that can be copied, neutered, homogenized, monetized, and eventually made suitable for an audience of millions who are all watching the same channel at the same time, and any followups will not be filtered through the same gatekeepers to guide the “youth” in how to dress, act, and remake the music.
You can no longer keep the choice to Elvis or Pat Boone. Robert Johnson will out.
Even if you could replicate the Ed Sullivan show and debut something completely new, you’d have a couple thousand completely different remakes and mashups on youtube and the rest of the web the next day for everyone to pick and choose from.
Youth culture? The youths have more culture than ever before, they just don’t all have the same one.
Nah, youth today seem a lot dumber. As a kid in the 60s and 70s, I don’t remember me an my peers ever giving youth as an excuse for ignorance.
Turn on, tune in, and drop out?
Again? Really, some over the hill boomer is going to do this again? Kids today are fine, it’s the fogeys I worry about.
Selective memory.
Geez…I was also around in the 60’s and when I think back on the rampant stupidity, I still cringe. From the dumbass frat jocks who thought we were just swell in Vietnam, to the long hair, tie-dye, brown rice eating fools who thought we should all just go live in a commune and skip through the fields forever…whack jobs on both sides, thank you very much.
Clothing styles? Please hide all pictures…no need to see that again…one glance at an old Sonny and Cher photo ought to be enough to make you blush and remember the crap we called clothing. Cool dude…lots of fringe! Be sure to put a flower in your hair.
OK - music. I will grant you that having Janis and Jimi and Jim, plus Led Zepplin and The Who and Rolling Stones…well, that was kind of a golden age of music with multiple powerhouse bands and singers. Then again, my parents could have made a case for Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra, Patsy Kline, etc.
The 60’s were fun if you were there…but no need to look back and long for those days again. Lots of crap and weird fashions and oddball/crackpot theories and silliness…called youth.
what is “innovation in clothing?”
The mini-skirt, of course.
Or the tube top.
Sneakers . . . with Velcro!
My youngest friends (who are in fact my son’s age, thus 18-20 and almost too old for “youth culture”) are into this weird furry animal hat thing. With matching fake fur leggings. Often, there are…things…dangling off the furry animal hat. I don’t get it. But I will admit it’s innovation in clothing…
ETA: Other than the fur, there seems to be a competition to wear as little clothing as possible, and all of it conflicting lace patterns. And some stripes. Stripes of some sort are now mandated by law, I guess.
Youth Culture killed my dog.
Anyone?
Seriously, dude?
“There’s been no change, except for the most major changes in the past 50 years but they don’t count because I don’t like them.”
Seriously? :rolleyes:
Actually no. I’m not talking about one’s manner of dress, appearance, and general deportation. I’m not sure it’s the fault of the internet but book-learned people just kinda have more things up there and deliver outwards in a better way. Also with books, one appreciates ignorance and lack of knowledge more intimately. I mean, seeing how many books one hasn’t read is different from seeing how much info one’s 10-gig computer can download.
[the rest of your post is crap so don’t mind if if leave them out.]
That’s exactly what I thought when I read the OP. Just watch any movie from the 90s or 80s and you can clearly see that fashion has changed. Here is the cast of the Breakfast Club in 1985. Does anyone dress like that now?
Here is a good summary of the fashion changes since the 50s.
Which Youth Culture? From the '70s, the Jocks, the Preppies, the Greasers, the Nerds, or the Freaks? Each had their own clothes, music, hang-outs, and interests. I guarantee that whichever group you identified with is still around in some manner.
Just because we have aged out of it does not mean it is gone. We just have other things to pay attention to than what the other kids are doing.
Wow - I’ll get off your lawn now.
I guess some people age crankier than others.
BTW, if you read the OP, there was mention of clothing and music - that other “crap” I wrote about.
Doesn’t that make ya want to go learn more? Or maybe not.
