"Zombie" snakes, alligators, and other reptiles

Why do so many reptiles appear to be alive long after decapitation or dismemberment? Is it just reflexes and nerve spasms from a corpse, or are they still at least partially conscious?

My grandfather’s dog was killed by a bite from a rattlesnake head that had been separated from the body for over an hour. While visiting some Cajun friends, I saw them attempt to cook and eat some water moccasins, and during the entire process I was extremely squicked out by the zombie-like behavior exhibited by their dinner. While cleaning the snakes, several times the bodies would whip around and slam their bloody stumps into the men, as if trying to bite. The heads also opened and closed their mouths frequently, until they were buried. On a later visit to the same area, I saw an alligator head blinking and snapping its jaws. :eek:

I was told that it was “just nerves” twitching, but some of the movements seemed to be in response to visual stimuli. I also noticed that there was very little blood; much less than I’ve seen leaking from dead mammals, which makes me wonder if the brain remains oxygenated much longer in cold blooded creatures. The entire subject gives me the willies, but I’m dying to know.

As far as I’ve been able to ascertain “it’s just nerves”.

More specifically, it’s down to reflexes. Reptiles have tiny brains and, having evolved to deal with low body temperatures and the associated slow nerve conduction, they have retained a lot of the control of their body in the spinal cord, rather than in the head. Because the control resides in the spinal cord, those functions keep working just fine after decapitation and they work for a long time after death.

Humans also have reflexes based in the spine, but very few of them. the most well know of these is the knee jerk reflex that doctors use to rest reflexes. If you’ve ever had that test administered, you know that it is not accompanied by any sensation. The hammer hits then tendon in the knee, the tendon stretches and fires a message to the spine, the spine fires back a message to thee muscle sin the thigh. “You” don’t experience anything because the brain was never involved. You only become aware of the effects because your brain feels the leg move.

It’s the same with reptiles. A pain receptor fires in the skin of the back, and the whole body whips around to allow head to see what is causing the pain and dislodge it. The brain isn’t involved at all in the movement so there is no sensation for the animal. But the effect is that it looks like a decapitated snake is trying to bite the person skinning it using it’s bloody stump.

You can do similar freaky things with frogs. If you destroy the brain by passing a needle down the spinal cord, you can turn the frog on its back and the corpse will turn itself back upright. If you put a drop of acid on its back, the hind leg will come up and scratch at the spot where the acid is. And the corpse will continue to do those things for *days *after the animal is dead if you pithed it properly.

And just in case you think the animal may not be dead, you can actually bisect the animal just behind the front legs. And the hind legs will still try to scratch off any acid on the back, even when the front half of the animal is lying on a table in the next room.

This is all very zombie-like behaviour, but it’s not causing pain to the animal. The brain, the centre of awareness, is dead, or at least it sure ain’t connected to the area that is feeling the pain. They are just complex reflex arcs. The animal isn’t in any way aware of what the body is doing, any more than you are aware of a pain in your knee when it jerks. Because these are involuntary reflexes, there isn’t even any evolutionary *point *is having the animal aware of them. They are going to happen whether or not the animal uses processing power to monitor them.

The only caveat is what happens with the head. In humans severing the spinal cord mean instant loss of consciousness, and the loss of blood pressure means that you never regain consciousness. That may or may not be the case with animals. So while the moving body certainly can’t feel anything. I wouldn’t swear that the severed head is totally unaware. It won;t be aware of what is happening to the body, of course. But it might be able to see. :eek:

Those creatures have such simple nervous systems that it’s hard to say that they are really “conscious” in the same way that humans are. They don’t really think so much as they just react. Their nervous systems are also much more distributed than ours, which is how the bodies can keep moving even after the head is cut off.

Reptiles also have a much slower metabolism than we do, so their cells keep functioning longer even after the blood flow stops.

“It’s just nerves” kinda does have some truth to it. Even humans will sometimes move after death. It’s probably more correct to say though that it’s more due to their nervous systems being much simpler and more spread out through their body than ours. Our nervous system is much more centralized, so when that central part goes out, everything stops.

There is something similar in humans, though. Even if your head is chopped off, your heart will continue beating. Your brain regulates your heartbeat, but your heart is capable of beating even if it’s not communicating with your brain. In fact, your heart will continue beating even if it’s removed from your body, for a short while at least.

At least one chicken lived for 18 months without a head

I had never run into the term Pithing until a recent webcomic arc. Just reading the word makes my skin crawl a bit.

Si

I felt the same way about it when I had to do it to a frog in high school.

In a college biology lab we removed a turtle’s heart and kept it going for four hours, using a variety of chemicals to alter heart rate.

Man, you guys are creepy :eek:

All I got to do was to make a cockroach leg twitch with a battery :wink:

Si