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Old 10-01-2002, 01:55 PM
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Have actors really had sex on camera in a non-porn Hollywood movie?

I feel like this post in Belrix's thread is too much of a hijack, so I'm breaking it off into this thread.

Can someone provide some concrete evidence that Hollywood actors - not soft-core or even hard-core-porn actors - have actually had sex in a Hollywood sex scene? I've heard it mentioned that Mickey Roarke and Carre Otis actually had sex in Wild Orchid, KidCharlemagne heard somewhere that Charlize Theron and Ben Affleck had sex in Reindeer Games.

Cervaise offered up a cite in which Mira Sorvino admits that other stars have had sex on camera, but admittedly she feels the source is dubious at best.

Personally, I have a hard time believing that the SAG, or any major studio would OK such a scene, to say nothing of dealing with all the crew members hanging around. (Pun intended ).
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Old 10-01-2002, 02:58 PM
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I had heard that Kim Bassinger and Alec had sex in The Getaway they were in.
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Old 10-01-2002, 03:23 PM
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There's a french film called 'intimacy'.

Whoa nelly.
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Old 10-01-2002, 03:24 PM
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Stretching a bit to go beyond Hollywood, but:

- In the French movie Romance, the lead actress, apparently a reasonably well known legitimate actress, has sex with at least one actor on screen. However, Euro porn star Rocco Something-or-other (Siffredi?) was cast as her boyfriend in part to ensure that things could be filmed as planned....

- Asia Argento, lately of XXX apparently filmed a whacked out movie in Italy featuring all kinds of kinkiness. It was discussed in the Rolling Stone featuring her on the cover.

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- When asked, Sharon Stone stated that she and Michael Douglas most definitely did not have sex during Basic Instinct. I don't have a cite, but remember reading it...
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Old 10-01-2002, 03:34 PM
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One of the only cases I recall hearing about:

Bruce Dern told numerous reporters that, in a little-seen, not terribly successful thriller called "Tattoo," he and actress Maud Adams were really having sex.

Adams denied this emphatically, and most people dismissed the suggestion as a lame attempt on Dern's part to drum up box office for a film nobody seemed interested in watching.

At the time, I recall comedian/country singer Jim Stafford speculating on the Merv Griffin Show that, "there are only two possibilities, I guess. He did and she didn't.... or he did, and she didn't even notice."

Either way, it didn't sound good for Dern (who's almost always played lunatics in movies, and came out looking like a GENUINE loonie).
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Old 10-01-2002, 04:00 PM
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Devil In The Flesh. A pretty boring movie aside from the fact that it contained an actual blowjob.
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Old 10-01-2002, 05:54 PM
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I forgot an example that should have been mentioned in the other thread.

Robert De Niro most certainly gets his knob polished, on screen, in Bertolucci's 1900. As I recall, the original cut of the film contains some awfully kinky stuff, including some material with underage boys that would be considered illegal according to today's laws.
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Old 10-01-2002, 06:26 PM
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I think I read that Barbara Hershey & Mr Carradine did it in one of their films which resulted in their kid, Free...
(I think that's his name, Free)
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Old 10-01-2002, 06:34 PM
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There is a rumor in the Stones circles that Mick Jagger and Anita Pallenberg (Keith Richard's common-law wife at the time) actually had sex during the filming of "Performance" back in 1969. Who knows?
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Old 10-01-2002, 07:13 PM
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OK, it's not exactly Hollywood (having been filmed in Denmark) but in Lars von Trier's the Idiots, there is an orgy scene featuring the prinicipal actors, including a brief shot showing penetration.
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Old 10-01-2002, 08:09 PM
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Cholo, Pallenberg seduced Jagger while on the set, but no actual sex was had while the cameras were filming.

Does Caligula count as a Hollywood film? If so, then there definitely was sex on camera, although not by the principal actors.












Well, that depends on what one's definition of actor is.
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Old 10-01-2002, 08:45 PM
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I recall seeing an interview with Russ Meyer, director of such classics as Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! and Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens, in which he mentioned that some of the actors in his films were actually having sex, rather than just simulating it.
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Old 10-01-2002, 09:55 PM
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How is it possible to have real sex on a movie set? First, yopu have to remember that there is a crowd of people--the director, electricians, cameramen, sound recordists--in the room with the actors. Second, action in a movie seems continuous, but in reality, it is spliced together from several takes. How can anybody have real sex in such an environment?

FYI, people don't have real sex in porn either. Porn is designed to LOOK erotic, not to BE erotic. When the performers are told, "lift your leg, pump harder, now face the camera CUT OK we need to change the angle, go have a Diet Coke while we set up." it's difficult to get the mood going. Sure, fluffers on set may keep the wood hard, but that doesn't make simulated sex into real sex.
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Old 10-01-2002, 10:23 PM
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Well, if you define sex as the full act ending with orgasm, then probably no, there aren't many (if any). I think the OP, however, was referring to cases in which there was actual penetration instead of just pretending with no genital contact.

It's a little hard to tell in the Japanese version, but in Ai no Corrida (In the Realm of the Senses), there were a couple of scenes where there appeared to be real oral-genital contact.
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Old 10-01-2002, 10:40 PM
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You surprise me gobear.

Hollywood is full of what? Exhibitionists.
For many, getting out of the gutter requires two steps.
Publicity is the end to a means. It matters not whether it's good or bad.

You think these attentionholics give a Hoot in Whoville if they, a starlet, are caught with a rich and established leading man?

Please. They b b boink like cold pigs.


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Old 10-01-2002, 10:42 PM
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Old 10-01-2002, 11:18 PM
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Of all mainstream movies, the sex scene featuring Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie in Don't Look Now has arguably attracted the most prurient discussion.

The two principals are not forthcoming on the subject but those who saw the uncut footage were said to be 'shocked'.

'Concrete evidence' regarding this or any other similar example won't be easy to find.
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Old 10-02-2002, 06:48 AM
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I've actually seen Wild Orchid thanks to finding my grampa's hidden tape when I was a teenager.

If that's not real then that was a REALLY good fake. A couple of the camera angles are top down and you can see that there's penetration involved.
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Old 10-02-2002, 07:21 AM
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How is it possible to have real sex on a movie set...How can anybody have real sex in such an environment?

FYI, people don't have real sex in porn either....
Sounds like your definition of "sex" is different from everyone else on the planet. We aren't talking about "good" sex or meaningful sex or romance, we're talking about real penises really going into real vaginas (or other body parts, depending).

As for the other stuff, there are people who get off all the better for having a crowd.
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Old 10-02-2002, 07:42 AM
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Wait wait, I started reading this thread thinking that somebody *must* have already said something about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in Eyes Wide Shut. I mean they were married and they were working with a director who would want as much realism as possible. It would be tough to achieve normally, but with a couple married in real life and in the film, why not?

I'm NOT saying that it definitely happened, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if it did. I did hear that they often cleared the set completely when filming Tom & Nicole together because Kubrick wanted it to be more intimate. Then again, they might have just said that to make everyone *think* they really had sex.

Maybe Kubrick promised to have the camera trained only on their head and shoulders while he kept his eyes wide shut. Heheheh heh heh............heh (alright, cheezy, sorry couldn't help it)
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Old 10-02-2002, 07:48 AM
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Wait wait, I started reading this thread thinking that somebody *must* have already said something about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in Eyes Wide Shut. I mean they were married and they were working with a director who would want as much realism as possible. It would be tough to achieve normally, but with a couple married in real life and in the film, why not?

I'm NOT saying that it definitely happened, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if it did. I did hear that they often cleared the set completely when filming Tom & Nicole together because Kubrick wanted it to be more intimate. Then again, they might have just said that to make everyone *think* they really had sex.

Maybe Kubrick promised to have the camera trained only on their head and shoulders while he kept his eyes wide shut. Heheheh heh heh............heh (alright, cheezy, sorry couldn't help it)
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Old 10-02-2002, 09:02 AM
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For The Getaway I read where the sex scene between Baldwin and Basinger was real. They were the only ones in the hotel room and controlled the cameras via remote control.

I don't know if this falls into the definition of sex but in that Madonna movie, Body of Evidence?, Willem Dafoe's face was buried in her crotch. She was standing on the hood of a car naked from the waist down and his head was right there, moving around. I don't see any other way around it.
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Old 10-02-2002, 10:03 AM
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We aren't talking about "good" sex or meaningful sex or romance, we're talking about real penises really going into real vaginas (or other body parts, depending).
Well, I've read several interviews with gay porn stars making the same distinctions between what they do with their lovers as genuine sex and what they do in front of the cameras as a performance that is not even slightly erotic to them. A penis going into a vagina (or a mouth or a vagina) is just anatomy if there's no real charge there.
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Old 10-02-2002, 10:04 AM
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Erratum: The last sentence should read, "A penis going into a vagina (or a mouth or an anus) is just anatomy if there's no real charge there."
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Old 10-02-2002, 10:28 AM
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Taxi Zum Klau (sp?), a German coming out movie, featured real sex. Real dicks going into asses or mouths. It had a plot, was interesting, but not the best movie out there. When the sex scenes rolled around it looked like porn.

In the original Queer as folk series (the Brittish one), they show sex, but not penetration. The series opens with the slut giving the kid a rimjob. On an interview I later saw, they said the kid (later in some shitty American series) said that it was a real rimjob.
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Old 10-02-2002, 09:57 PM
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Erratum: The last sentence should read, "A penis going into a vagina (or a mouth or an anus) is just anatomy if there's no real charge there."
More like rape.

And how do you know there is no real charge there?

I've had sex when I wasn't that interestd in having it and it certainly wasn't anatomy.

I'm astonished that no one has mentioned Marlon Brando and Maria Schneider's scene in Last Tango In Paris.

Oh wait, I just did.
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Old 10-02-2002, 10:17 PM
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Apparently the legendary sex scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" featuring Richard Gere and Debrah Winger was a closed set affair.

It was the real thing. I'm sure of it.
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Old 10-02-2002, 10:29 PM
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gobear: Ok so you and some gay porn stars don't use the word "sex" the way that the rest of the planet does; that still is irrelevant. The issue here is whether or not actors have actually penetrated each other, etc, while filming sex scenes rather than just simulating it.
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Old 10-03-2002, 01:22 AM
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Apparently the legendary sex scene in "An Officer and a Gentleman" featuring Richard Gere and Debrah Winger was a closed set affair.

It was the real thing. I'm sure of it.
I rather doubt it.
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Old 10-03-2002, 01:31 AM
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Feel free to offer one yourself of course. As all the rest of us have done.
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Old 10-03-2002, 01:32 AM
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I've heard rumours about Jungle Fever. There is also mob movie featuring model Amber Smith, I can't remeber the name of the movie or of the co-star which is on the tip of my tongue. Andy Garcia perhaps? I'm not sure. Anyway, I read in a Celebrity Skin magazine that some said the scene was real.

Damn... Cervaise's link, I have to get a hold of that Aguilera sex tape..
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Old 10-03-2002, 01:34 AM
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I've heard rumours about Jungle Fever. There is also mob movie featuring model Amber Smith and Andrew Garcia. I can't remeber the name of the movie, which is on the tip of my tongue. I'm not sure. Anyway, I read in a Celebrity Skin magazine that some said the scene was real.

Damn... Cervaise's link, I have to get a hold of that Aguilera sex tape..
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Old 10-03-2002, 11:35 AM
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I rather doubt it.
Sorry, this link was from me. The home computer was logged in as my wife.
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Old 10-05-2002, 09:29 PM
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I'd love to know the answer, as this is something that I've wondered about quite often. I don't know any particular gossip about any specific movies, though.
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Old 10-05-2002, 09:56 PM
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Of all mainstream movies, the sex scene featuring Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie in Don't Look Now has arguably attracted the most prurient discussion.
I've only just come across this thread, and as I was reading I was thinking the exact same thing about Don't Look Now. I've heard some guy on a TV documentry say that some believe they really did have sex. Anyone who has seen the movie would know what I mean - they really do look like they are lovemaking. It also happens to be a good film - very creepy.
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Old 10-09-2002, 05:50 AM
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Don't Look Now is on BBC1 at 12.05 am UK time tomorrow morning.
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Old 10-09-2002, 07:09 AM
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For the definition-impaired among us, actual penetration = actual sex.

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1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:33 AM
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I saw an interview with Carre Otis regarding Wild Orchid she says it was just good simulation, although her and Mickey Rourke were going hot and heavy at the time.
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Old 10-09-2002, 12:55 PM
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Username, could that Andy Garcia movie have been Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead?

As for Eyes Wide Shut, I had heard (as I presume many others did, as well) that Harvey Keitel was originally cast in the movie, but was thrown off at the insistence of the primary stars when Keitel, standing behind Nicole in a scene, actually ejaculated onto her back and hair.
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Old 10-09-2002, 01:03 PM
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Username, could that Andy Garcia movie have been Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead?

As for Eyes Wide Shut, I had heard (as I presume many others did, as well) that Harvey Keitel was originally cast in the movie, but was thrown off at the insistence of the primary stars when Keitel, standing behind Nicole in a scene, actually ejaculated onto her back and hair.
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Old 10-09-2002, 01:57 PM
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Um.....what do you mean, willabee? He was minding his own business in a scene, and unbeknownst to all the crewmembers, etc, jerked off and came on Nicole's back? Or they were shooting a faux sex scene between Keitel and Kidman, and he got so excited that he came on her back? No offense, but that is utterly preposterous. I will need a cite including notarized signatures of all parties involved before I believe that one.

Oh, and welcome to the boards, I guess...
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Old 10-09-2002, 02:01 PM
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Arrgh...Lost this the first time...Re-posting in short format...

David Bowie and that girl in the music video China Girl. Read an article in Rolling Stone I think. Seemed real.

I hate losing posts to slow 'net.

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Old 10-09-2002, 02:04 PM
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What part was Keitel supposed to play? Unless he was cast as the naval officer seen in flashback (unlikely) Kidman's coiffure was never in danger. Or there were whole elements of the shooting that never came close to making it to the final print. Got a cite, willabee?
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Old 10-09-2002, 02:49 PM
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As for Eyes Wide Shut, I had heard (as I presume many others did, as well) that Harvey Keitel was originally cast in the movie, but was thrown off at the insistence of the primary stars when Keitel, standing behind Nicole in a scene, actually ejaculated onto her back and hair.
Disregarding its dubious veracity, this is one of the funniest things I've read all day.
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Old 10-09-2002, 03:01 PM
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I am a man of knowledge and hate the spreading of Urban myths in any form... but I may pass this one off as true!
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Old 10-09-2002, 03:27 PM
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We must confirm this!

It would revolutionize oldscratch's "Six Degrees of Harvey Keitel's Penis" game.
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Old 10-09-2002, 03:32 PM
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from imdb.com...
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Harvey Keitel and Jennifer Jason Leigh originally played Victor Ziegler and Marion Nathanson. After Keitel and Leigh had shot some scenes, Keitel was dismissed from the production. His scenes needed to be reshot, but Leigh was not available to reshoot them (due to a scheduling conflict with _eXistenz (1999)_ ). Consequently, Sydney Pollack and Marie Richardson were brought in to play the respective roles.
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Old 10-09-2002, 03:49 PM
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Hmm. I see that this rumor... ahem... reared it's ugly head in that thread as well....
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Old 10-09-2002, 04:54 PM
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...and BTW, how exactly did Mr. Wolf come on her back AND hair? Does he have a one foot penis? Projectile ejaculation to rival the most prolific porn star? Was he standing on a footstool? Did he hop up into the air at the exact moment?

I'm trying to shake the image of him making that whiny sad face and groan thing he does in Reservoir Dogs and Bad Lieutenant right at the particular moment, followed by Nicole shouting "CRIKEY!!"
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Old 10-09-2002, 05:11 PM
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This isn't mainstream Hollywood by a longshot, but it's a good film and its star has become a pretty hot Hollywood property these days.

Ewan McGregor had a full-frontal scene in The Pillow Book (which my wife loves) in which he's at least partially-erect. If the sex scene that followed soon after wasn't "real," I don't know what is. I can't imagine it was faked.

No cite other than my own two eyes, I'm afraid. Great movie though!
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