Porn Stamina

[Ooze]

I hate to rain on your parade, but I spent four years in the porn industry as a cameraman, shooting over 200 movies.

Guess what? The guys really do last that long. A typical porn scene is shot in one take, and often edited to become shorter, not longer.

Additionally, the "fluffer" story, while widely accepted, is an urban legend. I never once saw a fluff girl on any of our sets.

[Duck Duck Goose]

And the Staff Report being referenced is Where do male porn stars get their stamina?

[Q.E.D.]

I've noticed that certain cold medications drastically reduce my ability to "finish" quickly, if at all. I'm assuming it's the cough suppressants, seing as coughing is a parasymathetic reflex similar to orgasm.

[Meatros]

Originally posted by Ooze
I hate to rain on your parade, but I spent four years in the porn industry as a cameraman, shooting over 200 movies.

Guess what? The guys really do last that long. A typical porn scene is shot in one take, and often edited to become shorter, not longer.

Additionally, the "fluffer" story, while widely accepted, is an urban legend. I never once saw a fluff girl on any of our sets.

Welcome to the boards!

You know, your username + this thread's material is...um...on second thought I'm not going to touch it....

You should start a thread called "Ask the Porn Camera man".

[Bearflag70]

Originally posted by Meatros
Welcome to the boards!

You know, your username + this thread's material is...um...on second thought I'm not going to touch it....

You should start a thread called "Ask the Porn Camera man".

Seconded.

[erislover]

Ooze, while I don't wish to call your credentials into question, I have seen plenty of porn movies where watching the background will indeed indicate a distinct lack of continuity. Unless they guys can last hours and hours, enough for say the sun to move, in which case they should be the subject of a number of rigorous studies.

What do you mean "Why do you analyze porn movies"?

[Happy Lendervedder]

Welcome to the boards!

You should start a thread called "Ask the Porn Camera man".

Originally posted by Bearflag70
Seconded.

Thirded!

Oh, please, I have so many questions!

[Q.E.D.]

Oh geeze....I just hope they don't make it a "sticky" thread

[Cervaise]

<snort>

[trustno1]

You have stories I want to hear.

[Ruby]

I've also seen a male porn star snorting something from a small vial (not so discreetly) on screen. I assumed they used drugs for stamina.

On second though.....I've HEARD of a male porn star....yea....that's it....

[Irishman]

Ooze, how long have you been in the business? My understanding is that fluffers were more common in the old days when they used film. Along came the '80s and camcorders, and fluffers became less important. The idea being that film gets used up and is expensive, but tape is cheap and can be reused.

[Gyrate]

FTR, there was an Ask the Pornographer thread last year. I don't know if abby is still around to answer questions, though.

[tokyojoe]

Only a college student could have asked this question in the first place - I imagine most men don't think being able to do it for 20-30 minutes at a time is particularly special (although it was unlikely when we were young). As for the use of drugs I don't know of any that help (with the obvious exception). However circumscision, regular sex and/or frequent masterbation will all help to delay ejaculation. The pop star Sting claims to go on for hours, even up to 8 hours at a time, using Tantric sex techniques.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

you listed your homepage as "Adult Joke Of The Day".

Hmmm.

Could this, perhaps, indicated that you are trying to fool us with claims about your "expertise"? As a "joke" about an "adult" subject?

After all, what you are saying flys in the face of other source material.

If I am wrong, I am perfectly willing to apologize.

[Macauley Connor]

Originally posted by Irishman
Ooze, how long have you been in the business? My understanding is that fluffers were more common in the old days when they used film. Along came the '80s and camcorders, and fluffers became less important. The idea being that film gets used up and is expensive, but tape is cheap and can be reused.

In a similar vein, I did see an article and photo of a "special assistant" to Jennifer Lopez, who's job it was to make sure her nipples were erect prior to a shoot or take.

I have submitted my resume and cover letter, but haven't heard back... yet.

[Ashkicker]

I was hoping the report would be chock full of ways to boost the sexual experience and make it last longer. But alas I think he gave us the truth. Darn! Can't you lie a little Euty? And good grief how do they find fluffers?

Help Wanted, fluffer to ahhh....never mind.

[richlb]

I have heard of people that use the muscle relaxant ANAPROX (think that's how it's spelled) to delay.... the inevitable.

[bleach]

There was a Frontline on PBS a while ago about porn, and I believe they said that the advent of Viagra has changed the face of male porn stars. The way I understand it is:

• Until recently, there were only a handful of male porn stars (e.g., that hairy, tubby guy, Ron something)
• The reason why there were so few was partly because of anatomic considerations, and
• That they were "woodsman," which is to say that they could keep it up (literally) for extended periods of time

They were highly sought after because they would reduce the time between takes. Now, Viagra can make a porn star out of anyone from the way I understand it.

[Zwingle]

I always wondered why some of the men porn stars seem to have large penis's (penisii?), but small testicles, I thought that this was the reason they lasted so long, that they had some sort of surgery to make them last. Or maybe because they shoot so much that their testicles have shrunk? Anyone know the answer on why they have smaller testicles?

[Ike Witt]

I think that bleach has it right. Just last week there was a special on the porn industry on ABC Primetime. There was one comment that Viagra is almost omnipresent. In fact there was somebody talking about one male actor (no name given) who has been known to take 5 or 6 pills a day.

Better living through chemistry...

[INSANE1]

I do think that one of the main reasons for the actors being able to last so long is the drugs that can be taken to increase performance, and I’m not talking about Viagra.

Amphetamines increase the amount of times it takes to orgasm ten fold, it allows you to maintain a 'rock hard' erection for literally hours on end if the right stimulation is provided (and naked female porn stars are definitely the 'right' stimulation).

The amphetamines, apart from making erections harder and last longer, also make it quite hard to actually orgasm. Intense concentration is nearly always needed in these situations to actually 'ejaculate'. This can be a minor problem, but can also have its advantages in the porn industry. As it is harder to orgasm on amphetamines many times the orgasm (energy) builds up but is lost again, only to have to be built up again and again. This build up of sexual energy can lead to some pretty spectacular, high volume climaxes, just what the porn industry wants from the men.

It’s interesting to note what Q.E.D says in his post about certain cold medications that 'drastically reduce my ability to "finish" quickly, if at all'. Most cold medications I know of contain Pseudo Ephedrine, which is the main precursor to meth/amphetamine production.

[INSANE1]

Oops, little mistake, the post should read

'Amphetamines increase the amount of time it takes to orgasm'

Sorry about that.

[pierre72]

Originally posted by bleach
There was a Frontline on PBS a while ago about porn, and I believe they said that the advent of Viagra has changed the face of male porn stars.

Erm... I doubt it's the FACE that Viagra has changed. Unless it got stuck in the cheek.

[JRDelirious]

Oh, the vile images...

But yeah, I wondered why the report did not mention Viagra. And I have seen (yes, I have seen, whattaboutit? ) pre-Viagra-age porn where at times it has looked like the "stud" was having severe problems keeping it up.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

We have been whooshed.

see my eariler post.

[vandal968]

Ooze is correct about the stamina of porn stars. A few years ago I was a production assistant during the fiming of a scene for Gluteous to the Maximus (Seymore Butts). The main scene that was shot that day lasted about an hour (Tom Byron & Ron Jeremy starring). I was in an adjacent room with some of the "talent" watching it on a monitor.

cheers,
c

[softsofa]

I saw a documentary (Wiseman?) that showed how sperm samples were collected from apes. The small ones just needed a test tube and a banana. For the large ones, a banana shaped electrode (rather than just a banana) was inserted. Turning on the juice delivered erections and sperm samples continually until the juice was turned off.

"I" imagine the same procedure would work on difficult porn stars.

[]softsofa[]

[Max Carnage]

Amazing how many first time/one time posters showed up for this thread. Hmmmmmmmmm...

And yes there are obvious editing tricks. I've seen scenes looped 3 or for times in the same "session." After a while you start to be able to call when the next "unghh...yeah...like that..." is about to be blurted.

[Irishman]

JRD, pre-Viagra does not mean pre-amphetamine.

softsofa, where are you inserting that banana?

[Ethilrist]

Sam: Where do you keep that gun, Max?
Max: None of yer damn business, Sam!

[softsofa]

Originally posted by Irishman


softsofa, where are you inserting that banana?

For those with a small monkey, where bananas usually enter. For those endowed with a large monkey, where bananas normally leave.

[C K Dexter Haven]

Max, while there are a lot of first-time posters here (and most of them seemingly only one post), we are reasonably convinced that they are different people.

So, to those of you who are new and want to stick around, welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards. To those of you who are new and have only one post.... I shrug my shoulders in your general direction.

[Max Carnage]

Eeep...didn't mean to sound accusatory there, C K. Thanks for not chewing me out in front of the class. Still, goes to show what draws people out of their lurk-holes!

Welcome aboard!

[Zwingle]

OK....I was waiting for an answer to my question....I am a long time fan of Cecil's but new to the boards. Anyway, does the fact that most male porn stars have small testicles or sacs(surgery?) have anything to do with their stamina? I was under the impression that surgery was performed to make them somehow last longer, not to mention the fact that most of the time they need quite a bit of coaching by hand to maintain an erection. As I thought that Viagra mainly helped keep an erection. Me, on the other hand, the wind blows just right and, well, you know.

[handy]

I think the staff should have read:

Out of Bondage
by Linda Lovelace, Mike McGrady
amazon.com

In that book (?) she states that they often used several guys penises for one shot, thus, there is more than one penis, but since thats all you see, you assume its the same guy. This idea is lacking in the SD article.

PS: I know she has two books, there was one before this, but I can't find it to verify which book she mentioned this multiple guy but one penis fact.

[Polycarp]

this multiple guy but one penis fact.

I don't want to even think about the possibilities for bad jokes in that line (and yes, I know I'm taking it out of context)!

[C K Dexter Haven]

<< This idea is lacking in the SD article. >>

Euty didn't try to cover all the possibilities within movie making, other than to say that it's a movie -- not a reflection of real time. Stunt doubles, carefully placed cameras so that the audience can't actually see if the guy is erect but he acts like he is, drugs, time lapse photography, prosthetics, animation, CGI... all the techniques of movie making. Well, all the low-budget ones, anyhow.

[handy]

"CGI... "

Wow, they use HTML CGI programming? I gotta find that one :-)

I took a viagra once & it got caught in my throat & I had a stiff neck for an hour.

[DAVEW0071]

carefully placed cameras so that the audience can't actually see if the guy is erect but he acts like he is

I recall seeing a promo for ... uh ... coming attractions (well, they were) and the spokesguy and spokesgirl were on a boat, simulating "the act" as they wrapped up their spiel. Due to the pitching of the boat, some below-the-waist shots couldn't be avoided, and not only were they not actually having sex, the guy wasn't even erect.

Granted, this was only a promo, not the feature itself, but there's no reason why this shortcut can't be used all the time.

[Gyrate]

Originally posted by handy
"CGI... "

Wow, they use HTML CGI programming? I gotta find that one :-)

I took a viagra once & it got caught in my throat & I had a stiff neck for an hour.

You have to be careful with Viagra, as it's a gateway drug -- it always leads to harder things.

[handy]

Also, this video was great, I saw it in 1988, when it came out:
X-rated Bloopers And Outtakes

It shows some behind the scenes stuff, fluffers for example & guys trying & trying & trying to get it up. Hilarious.

[ChaosGod]

I don't understand what's all the fuss.
A typical sex scene lasts 15 minutes at most.
I mean, hey,.. that is NOT a long time.
What are your benchmarks people ?

[Ruby]

The first time I ever heard the term "stunt c*ck" was in the.....um.....classic flick Orgazmo.

I highly recommend it to those of you who are interested in the behind-the-scenes-porn industry.

heh heh

[elmwood]

Oooh! Oooh! Can I?












Band name.

[MegoHulk]

I think the real question has been avoided here....HOW do they keep it up? Drugs, surgery? Better question....how does everyone here keep it up, for how long, etc? I mean let's face it, theres self control but if we did some of the stuff in these movies we'd not last as long as they "seem" to do. I've had friends say they can go for 45 mins to an hour...I say yeah right. Not counting forplay, kissing, etc, I'd say an average amount of actual penetration time is about 10 mins or less. Who needs to do it for an hour anyways? Talk about sore.

[INSANE1]

Read my earlier post MegoHulk, it explains everything.

Amphetamines also aren't the only drugs that can increase performance. LSD and MDMA (the only other drugs I've done) can also give me the same effects, but not as pronounced. An erection can be maintained for quite abit of time while 'tripping', not as long as with amphetamines, but in the hour - hour and a half range. One problem with sex on acid is sometimes it’s hard to concentrate while you are actually hallucinating. Another problem is while on acid the whole concept of human mating and sex seems quite ridiculous, so animalistic, a reminder that no matter how advanced humans seem we are still no better, or different to the other animals in the world.

Sex on Ecstasy (a derivative of amphetamine) is quite intense, the staying power is a little less than amphetamines, about 2 hours, but the sensation is much more pleasurable. The problem here is the fact that it’s really hard to actually have sex when you are peaking on the drug, for me it’s the last thing I want to do at the time. Ecstasy is quite an intense peak, and concentrating on sex is just too difficult at the time. After a peak of about 2 hours it becomes much easier (though you are still under the influence of the drug for 4-6 hours) to have sex.

I have never tried cocaine so I cant comment on what its like to have sex while under the influence of it, but, I have seen quite a bit of porn and it seems (to me) that the men and women are definitely under the influence of something, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they were quite ‘coked’ up, cocaine being the drug of choice in America in the 80’s and early 90’s. I can notice it in the actors eyes sometimes, they seem quite vacant and glassy, a look that I have seen before. I also think the intensity the actors show in the films can only be explained by being under the influence of something, whether it be drugs (which I think is the case with a high percentage of actors), or just the persons natural desire to ‘fuck’ (which is think occurs with a very small percentage of actors).

To answer MegoHulk's post the average amount of time I spend on sex when I’m straight is 20 - 45 minutes (including foreplay), though it just depends on the situation, sometimes a 5-minute quickie is just as satisfying as sex for 45 minutes. I can last longer while being straight, it involves some stopping and starting and a fair bit of control (maintaining the same erection though), but when I’m not on drugs I just don’t feel the need to go any longer than 20 – 45 minutes. The drugs seem to make the desire for sex MUCH greater.

Having sex for long periods of time really does take it out on the body too. I have had sex for at least 5 hours (ejaculating twice) pretty much non stop and ended up with some pretty red and swollen genitals at the end of it, though the redness and swelling goes down in about a day or so (as long as I don’t do anything else). After having sex for that amount of time you aren’t rushing to do it again soon anyway.

I should also state that the sex mentioned in here isn’t just constant uninterrupted penetration, but foreplay (oral, etc…) as well to break up the monotony, though the erection is maintained the entire time stated.

I’m not saying all male porn stars use drugs constantly and cant fuck without them, but I do think they play a significant part in the porn industry. Is it really hard to believe that drugs are used during a porno shoot? I only give this response (and my earlier post) to show that it is definitely physically possible for these male porn stars to perform without any of the tricks mentioned in the previous posts, no Viagra, re-shoots, special camera angles or doubles are needed. I can vouch for this fact as I have experienced all the things mentioned in my post. I have no reason to lie or make up stories here, I don’t consider myself anything special at sex, though I an quite a sexual person, but everything the male porn stars do is physically possible as I have done it myself (of course I do it better than them lol J

[C K Dexter Haven]

Admin interruption here: Look, this forum is for discussion about porn stars and porn movies and the movie-making techniques. I grant you, that some personal experiences can be relevant to this discussion, but let's not degenerate into a "How long can you keep it up" discussion, which more properly belongs in... in... well, the MPSIMS forum, I guess.

(Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share. Man, you can't escape double entendre in this field.)

[INSANE1]

I think everything stated in my posts are relevant to the discussion. I was not stating these things because I think anyone cares what I can do, or to brag (I’m not one to brag anyway and if I was what’s the point of doing it on a message board on the net? Who am I trying to impress here?), but to point out that everything the male porn stars do is physically possible without any trickery as stated in other posts. In other words my main goal was to 'fight ignorance'.

I did state this in my earlier post (in less detail), but it seems people are more interested in discussing what they think happens without even considering the facts that I presented.
I suppose it’s hard for some people to comprehend if they haven't been in the situations I have been in.

Sorry to everyone if my post was too explicit, I honestly did try to tone down the vulgarity, but it is a vulgar topic.

[C K Dexter Haven]

I understand, INSANE1, I'm just noting that we're coming very close to a line. It's a grey line, and somewhat fuzzy, but it's there, and I want us to stay on this side of it.