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Old 05-03-2003, 12:50 AM
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Daddy's home. Let's get naked!!!

I would have difficulty believing this one were it not for Mrs. J's total reliability as an observer.

She was watching MSNBC Friday as they did live coverage of the carrier Abraham Lincoln's return from the Gulf to San Diego.
A reporter decided to interview a 7-year-old boy whose father was coming home on the ship. The exchange went like this:

Ms. Reporter: "So what are you going to do with your daddy when he gets home?"

Little Boy: "We're going to play The Naked Game!"

Ms. Reporter, unfazed: "What's that?"

Little Boy: "That's when we get naked and wrestle!!"




The boy's relatives did some groaning and fidgeting when he began talking about The Naked Game.

Can't understand why they'd be uneasy about what is probably just some innocent horseplay.

And speaking of great moments in reporting, I must thank the Cincinnati Enquirer for enlivening my day. I especially enjoyed the story about Ray Tanner, who beheaded his wife in Fairfield, Ohio on Valentine's Day in 1990, was found not guilty by reason of insanity, released in '96, and now wants an end to his court-ordered psychological visits. Opposing this request is the victim's mother, who is named Shirley Cleaver.

Really.

On the next page, there is a story headlined "Butler leaders sharpen budget axes".

I think the Metro section editor must have been on a crack binge.

Finally, a front page story from their Louisville correspondent focuses on the woman jockey who'll be riding a horse in the Kentucky Derby. Speaking of the opposition among trainers to picking women as jockeys, jockey Patricia Cooksey said, "There's a lot of (male) trainers that will flat not ride a girl".

I love the Enquirer.
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Old 05-03-2003, 08:09 AM
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Wow.....the Naked Game is truly a frightening insight into their family life. I wonder if social services had a long interview with both son and father before Daddy could come home.
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Old 05-03-2003, 08:43 AM
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Any of y'all have small kids? Naked is their normal, desired state, and it's very likely there was nothing wrong at all with the Naked Game. I don't consider it "frightening" at all, and I hope they didn't get bothered by social services and all the crap that can bring just on the strength of that. Sheesh.
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Old 05-03-2003, 09:33 AM
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Yeah, little kids prefer to be naked, but few non-scary adults prefer to be naked when wrestling with small, naked children. The phrase "when we get naked" is what's skeeving people out, here.
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Old 05-03-2003, 09:57 AM
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That vaguely creeps me out, but it's probably very harmless. Equally creepy (to me) is when children ages 5, 6, 7 take showers with mom or dad. I'm positive that nothing bad usually goes on, but why can't they take showers on their own? I know families who do this regularly, and it never fails to slightly skeeve me out.
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Old 05-03-2003, 10:33 AM
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That vaguely creeps me out, but it's probably very harmless. Equally creepy (to me) is when children ages 5, 6, 7 take showers with mom or dad. I'm positive that nothing bad usually goes on, but why can't they take showers on their own? I know families who do this regularly, and it never fails to slightly skeeve me out.

Well cultures and dispositions differ. I would also feel a bit oogy about bathing with my kids say past age 2-3 or so, but I also remember when I watched the delightful Japanese anime film "My Friend Totoro" with my kids, and the dad is bathing in one big tub with his daughters who were 4 and 10 years old respectively with no hint of anything sexual or abusive.
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Old 05-03-2003, 10:40 AM
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The Japanese have a different attitude towards nudity than we do. Nudity in a bathing situation is not sexual, you're just naked.

This family's game does sound a bit weird, but I expect it's harmless. I don't think I EVER saw my dad naked, though.
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Old 05-03-2003, 10:42 AM
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astro, very true! I loved that movie, and remember not thinking anything of the bath scene. However, since I never bathed with my parents and didn't know if anyone I knew ever had, I think I was predisposed to think it was something only people in other parts of the world did. Quite ignorant, but it was something that took a while to warm up to, especially since I know many people who were molested at a young age. I babysit two girls (aged 3 and 5) who bathe with their parents, and I'm good friends with both parents and am fine with it because I know that they would never do anything bad to their children.
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Old 05-03-2003, 10:50 AM
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whiterabbit, I never saw my father naked, either (thank goodness). I've never seen my mother naked, either. And I rarely wanted to get naked as a child. I was raised with the belief that nudity is a private thing, nothing to be ashamed of, but something that you shouldn't necessarily flaunt in front of everyone. My parents never did more than a very brief, chaste kiss in front of me, and were never very touchy-feely with me (no wrestling, physical games, etc). I, by no means, grew up in a loveless home. I'm very loved, and know it well! However, my parents just chose not to do those things. I suspect that has a lot to do with my inherent sense of discomfort at families who seem overly physical with their children or let them run around naked constantly. I know there's nothing wrong with it and I certainly don't think badly of the parents and kids, but it just seems so alien to me that it's taken some time to get used to.
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Old 05-03-2003, 11:25 AM
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A true story. My sister was visiting and her six year old girls were playing in the kiddie pool. Our cousin came over with her two year old son. She stripped down her boy and put him in the pool naked. The girls were scandalized as only six year olds can be.

"He's naked. That's gross."

My cousin tried to be reasonable, "Everyone is naked once in a while. Is it gross when you're naked?"

"Sometimes."
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Old 05-03-2003, 12:44 PM
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[quote] Daddy's home. Lets get naked [quote]


Mommys here lets get started
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Old 05-03-2003, 01:04 PM
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I've seen my MOM naked on occasion. That isn't a big deal; we're both women, we know what we look like.

I have been known to risk life and limb by telling my brother I saw him naked -- as a BABY! He doesn't like that much, for some reason.
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Old 05-03-2003, 03:34 PM
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Perhaps it is owing to my former work in a hospital, but nakedness is not a big deal, IMHO.

I've seen my Mother and Father in the buff, and although I don't want my daughter running through the mall in her birthday suit, won't get crazy about it.

Europeans seem to have a much more healthy attitude regarding nudity.
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Old 05-03-2003, 05:00 PM
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I don't suppose that anyone else here thinks that perhaps this small boy has a sibling, and that when he said "we" he was saying the children get naked and wrestle with the father? My nephews did this all the time with my Brother-in-law. As soon as he came home it was "naked time"!
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Old 05-03-2003, 05:07 PM
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Europeans seem to have a much more healthy attitude regarding nudity.
That may be true in some regards (topless and nudist beaches come to mind), but to this European, there is something creepy about a 7 year old boy getting naked with his father to wrestle, and the practice being common enough they have invented a name for it. I don't know, hard to put a finger on it. It could be completely innocent, but I understand the OP's "WTF?"-feeling.
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Old 05-03-2003, 11:25 PM
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It creeps me out when dopers tell anecdotes about going to the toilet in the same room as their kids (for instance).



But then again I am British.
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Old 05-04-2003, 12:10 AM
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I echo Vixenation's comments to the letter.

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It creeps me out when dopers tell anecdotes about going to the toilet in the same room as their kids (for instance).
I don't think I've read any such anecdotes, but if I had, I know this American would have been totally skeeved out. Ick.
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Old 05-04-2003, 07:52 AM
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Hmm. Count me in on the "no big deal" side. I'm another Doper who never saw the big uproar about being naked/others being naked/nudity. I do understand that other people were raised differently, however, and they might be *uncomfortable* with it, but I've never really understood being squicked, icked or grossed out. Just my two coppers, though.

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Old 05-04-2003, 08:10 AM
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My parents were pretty reserved. I happen to be more physical with my kids. I am not sure but I believe I NEVER took a bath with the Fem-Bot. I took a few with the Man-Cub when he was maybe...18 months? 2? By the time they were both 5, they were using the shower. It was messy, but for a year or two in there we'd turn on the water and get it safe temperature wise, and they'd bathe, while the parent left the bathroom.

As for the O.P. , I amfairly skeeved out if in fact this game involves an adult getting naked and wrestling around with his children. As was mentioned, bathing in Japan is viewed differently than in other cultures, it is done communally sometimes and is not considered a sexual thing. However, I doubt that the Japanese wrestle with their offspring while naked and bathing.

This guy's kid just blew the lid off his family's Greco-Roman little secret.......

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Old 05-04-2003, 09:49 AM
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Maybe it's innocent and he isn't a molester. On the point of thinking it weird to shower with a 5, 6 or 7 year old, well, that's just silly. My wife showers with our 6 year old daughter at times and it's a shower, nothing else. It's easier to wash her hair and save on water at times...I wouldn't shower with her, however. My son is 9 months and I occasionaly shower with him.

I hope to show him that nudity is nothing to be ashamed of, not to flaunt it, yet not to be so bashful either.
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Old 05-04-2003, 10:54 AM
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I'm sure that 99.8% of the parents who shower with their young children do so for innocent reasons like the ones you've illustrated, Govindha. But among all but one couple who shower with their kids that I know, the girls (all aged 3-7) shower with their father, and only their father. Something just seemed off about that, although nothing was probably wrong. I don't want to get on the bad side of any Dopers who do this, as I'm sure most people have nothing but innocent intent, or think nothing of it to begin with. It just took me aback for a moment.
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Old 05-04-2003, 11:11 AM
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I bathed with my dad until I was about 8 years old, and I've seen both my parents naked many times. Nothing sexual about it at all. We're flesh and blood after all, and I don't think there's a thing wrong with it.

But we never wrestled naked. That's crossing into odd territory.
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Old 05-04-2003, 11:18 AM
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Well, as far as going to the bathroom with your kids in the room, I know that one of the joys of my kids outgrowing toddlerhood was being able to go to the bathroom ALL BY MYSELF, without a cheery toddler there talking to me when I just wanted a moment of PEACE and QUIET. Nowadays, I have to keep my golden retriever out of the bathroom. Same situation, actually, since he's mentally a toddler.

I have a friend whose hubby showers with their two boys. I don't know about dad showering with daughters, however; I find that a bit weird. In Japan, however, at the bathhouses, small girls go into the men's side with their dads just as commonly as small boys go into the women's side with their moms, and nobody thinks anything about it. (American men are sometimes wigged out by the ladies who work there who go into the men's side whenever they feel like it, but that's a different story!) But as was pointed out, there's no wrestling involved there...at least I hope not!
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Old 05-04-2003, 02:07 PM
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My husband thinks that the kid walked in on his parents one night, and that's how Dad explained it. Perhaps the kid's never actually played "the Naked Game" with his dad, but, now that he's home, he wants to try it. Kids get weird ideas like that sometimes.

Showering, using the toilet, getting dressed, etc. with same sex children doesn't seem weird to me. (I'd have never been able to take my daughter to the Y if it were--heck, you're showering and getting dressed with same-sex strangers there!) However, I'd draw the line at naked wrestling with children. Yeah, it might be innocent, but...
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Old 05-04-2003, 04:54 PM
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This guy used to "Play The Naked Game" with both, his, and other people's kids.

I hope that's the only similarity.

I brought this up, 'cause I'm reading a book on the fiend. I cn't call him a man. He'd have to be human, first.
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Old 05-04-2003, 09:35 PM
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There was an article here lately that said, "War brings life to local veteran."


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Old 05-04-2003, 09:47 PM
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*shudder*

Count me in the "maybe innocent, but definitely creepy" camp.

I haven't been naked around my dad since I was oh, maybe seven at the absolute oldest. Probably five.

The story about Fish always squicks me out AND breaks my heart. Poor Gracie Budd.
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Old 05-05-2003, 12:33 AM
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My "naked with kids" story: When Jordan was six, we regularly took the kids to the beach, giving their parent-at-home, who'd worked all night, a needed break (the other parent was at work). On one particular occasion, I sent each of the boys into an empty changing booth to change into their swimbriefs, and proceeded to enter a third booth and do likewise. Jordan was in the booth next to mine, and decided that he was too little to be alone in a place like that, so he ducked under the booth, told me precisely that, and proceeded to change in my booth. I was naked at the time he ducked under, simply turned 3/4 away from him for propriety's sake, and proceeded to pull on my swimtrunks as if it were nothing unusual. It's adults, not kids, who see anything wrong or sexual about nudity -- Jordan merely wanted to be with Uncle Dave, for security's sake.
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Old 05-05-2003, 01:08 AM
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Hmm . . . yes, this is definitely creepy and should be investigated. However, we should remember that kids have a more limited means of expression than adults, and "The Naked Game"--whatever it is--may not be at all what it sounded like.

No, I have no theories about what The Game might actually be. But I do have an anecdote:

A few years ago, some friends of mine were investigated by the state Child Protective Services after their kindergartner told his teacher in great detail about sessions in which his parents put foreign objects in his rectum. These turned out to be suppositories prescribed by his pediatrician.
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Old 05-05-2003, 07:47 AM
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SmugTheJoiner - :-D

It is rather easy to confuse something innocent with something that isn't, especially when all you have to go on is a child's dictation which can be disjointed and contain the use of confusing terms. Sometimes you don't know when it is appropriate to investigate, and when it's best to leave it alone. Rather safe than sorry, though.
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Old 05-05-2003, 07:28 PM
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Yeah, but Poly, you weren't deliberately going starkers and wrestling.

If it's like traditional wrestling....

Like I said-I think it's probably innocent, but it's just one of those things that gives one pause. If only because of the jerks of the world.

And for what it's worth, I'm 24, but I still will change if my mom or my sis is the room, if we're in a hurry. Or if my sister's on the computer, (which is in my room), I'll go up and put my jammies on. She's staring at the screen, anyways.
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