I’m starting this thread in GD with the idea of exploring, and perhaps arriving at a mutual understanding of each others’ positions, regarding the issue of what constitutes a right and what rights are guaranteed.
According to one school of thought here, the “natural rights of man” are guaranteed by the Constitution, largely through its Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments, and it would appear that it is on this school of thought that Mr. Justice Kennedy hung his hat in the recent “Texas sodomy” decision.
But the issue has been around since well before that decision, and it would appear from numerous comments that we have been talking past each other, with one side convinced that the other is asserting that a judge (or at least a SCOTUS justice with four others on his side) can find a right anywhere he wants to, and write it into the Constitution, while the other side seems to believe that their opponents are convinced that there are no rights except those specifically listed, which are to be construed as narrowly as possible.
This is a sad state of affairs. And it’s in hope that we can achieve an understanding of each others’ positions, and perhaps some common ground, that this thread is started. I want to make the firm request that nobody make assumptions about what the other person is saying, in order to argue against them, but rather to ask and seek redefinition where it appears that clarity is a problem.
I’m going to start by setting forth my impression of the stance taken by the “strict construction” side, eminently by Dewey Cheatem Undhow – not as a parody or straw man nor in the expectation that I have it accurate, but as a basis for discussion, including particularly correction and clarification by Dewey and others who largely agree with him.
Using the quote function to set off that description for clarity’s sake, but specifically denying that it’s a quote from anyone, then, here’s what I grasp that the Deweyite position is:
The opposition asserts that there is a common consensus of the fundamental rights of man, of which the awareness is an evolving thing, so that personal rights taken for granted by most people which were not enumerated can, when circumstances call for their identification, be protected under the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments and by logical corollaries (unfortunately once termed “penumbrae”) from the enumerated rights. Thus, the fact that the Constitution does not explicitly recognize a right to marry or to travel is no barrier to their being recognized – these two actions being among the sorts of fundamental rights that were contemplated in the adoption of the Ninth and the protection of the “privileges and immunities of American citizens” in the Fourteenth.
With James Wilson, we say, “Enumerate all the rights of man? I am sure, sir, that no gentleman in the late [Constitutional] Convention would have attempted such a thing!”
We, or at least I, read Mr. Kennedy’s assertion in Lawrence v Texas as defining the right of human beings to autonomy in whom they will associate and have intimate relationships, sexual or not, as among these fundamental rights so protected. And I note that Mr. Kennedy explicitly limited his understanding of this right to autonomy to exclude a great deal of what stands leering on various levels down the slippery slope.
The above is submitted for review and comment by the Dopers with an interest in it. The definition of the Deweyite stance is specifically intended to be for correction to more clearly represent that stance. It is not my intention that this thread flame or misrepresent anyone, but deal with Constitutional law issues regarding the conceptualization of rights.