Judicial activism is a good thing, unless you disagree! And how long have we had it?

When these neocons spout off about “judicial activism,” I say it’s just because they disagree with the results of that “activism.”

Hasn’t this so-called “judicial activism” been around for many, many years? The Berger Court long ago gave us all sorts of stuff in the fields of civil rights, the rights of the accused: Miranda rights, Gideon v. Wainwright (right to an attorney), desegregation, etc.

So why do they keep on complaining about it? Isn’t this a long, long done deal, and they like to scream “judicial activism!” or “activist judges!” just because they think it pushes people’s buttons (like calling someone a liberal).

Isn’t that the way our federal constitution is constructed? Judges are designed to be unaccountable; that’s why they’re appointed (at least at the Federal level, and in many states), and at the Federal level, they’re appointed for life. (Here in New York state, they’re appointed to 7 year renewable terms). So they get to face the hard decisions that career politicians shun.

I guess part of this should be here, and the other part in General Questions. But I’m sure people will use old citations to support themselves, and thus answer my second question.

BTW, I’m a newbie here, and I’m not sure how ranting and raving about the other side I’m allowed to be. No personal insults, sure, but group insults about neocons?

First of all, “neo-cons” are not the ones screaming about judicial activism, principally. “Neo-cons” are distinguished principally by their foreign policy views. As many “neo-cons” originally were Democrats (hence the “neo”), and have been disproportionately of a socially-liberal, not-explicitly-Christian (often Jewish) persuasion, it is doubtful that any majority of “neo-cons” cares too deeply about (or even opposes at all) the “liberalizing” changes wrought by judicial activism. Paul Wolfowitz is a neo-con. I have no evidence that he opposes judicial activism, Roe v. Wade, or any of the other bugbears of the anti-judicial-activist crowd. If I had to bet money, I’d guess he’s perfectly all right with them.

So much for Politics 101. Someone else can address the jurisprudence (or I’ll try to later).

Totally, competely, and absolutely false (and the term is “strict constructionist,” not “neocon,” BTW).

I oppose the jurisprudence in Lochner every bit as much as I oppose the jurisprudence in Roe and Lawrence, even though I assuredly favor the real-world outcome in both the first and third of those cases.

Tell me, do you even know what I am referring to when I speak of Lochner? Because I really don’t think most folks who post the foolish canard about “activism just means you don’t like the result” are particularly well-grounded in constitutional history. I really think that’s just a trite phrase trotted out by people who can’t be bothered to seriously grapple with issues of constitutional law and the role of the judiciary.

Rather than retype a long defense of strict constructionism for the umpteenth time, I direct you to this old thread:

Rights? What’s a Right?.

Read that, and come back if you want to discuss activism more seriously.

Dewey, I meant to ask, how do you feel about Meyer v Nebraska? Are you as critical of it as you are of Lochner? I have a feeling you are, but I just wanted to check.

I don’t have anything to ad to Dewey’s post on the judicial activism topic, but on the above just consider: If you think spouting insults of ***any ***kind advances your argument, knock yourself out.

Yes, and for exactly the same reasons. Teaching in a strictly English-only environment may be both stupid and bad public policy, but it ain’t unconstitutional, at least not on the basis the court used (one could make a better first amendment argument, though ultimately that’s a loser, too).

If judicial activism enlarges and secures the “blessing of liberty” to the people and does likewise for the “general welfare” I have no problem with it.

There is no reason why I should be bound by your interpretation of the original intent of the words in the US Constitution to the exclusion of the interpretation of tthose same words by the Supreme Court.

It’s not a matter of interpretaion, but of inventing stuff that simply isn’t there. The point being that we have legislatures and a constitutional amendment process to correct errors or omissions. Those should not be filled in by the often arbitrary will of a judge.

Sorry John, that’s your slant on the matter. The judges would say that they are interpreting the words of the law or the Constitution. Why should I take your slant over theirs?

Because you then have no basis to complain when they decide something that you don’t like.

Regards,
Shodan

If you want to make an argument to the effect that the original intent of the Bill of Rights was to, say, protect abortion rights, have at it. I’m perfectly open to considering that notion. The problem with activists is they don’t bother making any kind of meaningful connection to the text or to the historical record. They don’t, because they can’t, because the historical record simply doesn’t support their view.

Also, what **Shodan **and John Mace said.

No, you’re wrong. The historical record shows that the founders considered that citizens are free to do as they please. Government has no power to limit anything unless that power is specifically given. The Articles of the Constitution spell out what powers the government has. Attempts to outlaw, for instance, abortion fail because there is nowhere that the government is given the power to do so.

Read some of the Federalist Papers if you want to know more about original intent.

You people adopt the position that because certain rights are enumerated in the Constitution as being protected, they are the only ones that are.

The Constitution enumerates the powers given to the federal government and by extension in the matter of civil rights to the states. Governments have only the powers that the people have specifically ceded to them The Supreme Court decided that the Constitution did not specifically cede to the US or state governments the power to restrict freedom of choice in the matter of abortion. That is not the creation of a right. It is the prevention of governments from taking away a right without jutification.

I rushed to anwer Dewey’s post before I read Homebrew’s

I got my argument from that of Founder James Wilson in his argument against the inclusion of a Bill of Rights in the Pennsylvania ratification convention. His argument was that the inclusion of such a list would be taken to imply that those listed are the only ones the people have. And he was right, that’s what has happened.

Instead, Wilson said, the people have all rights and all power and only cede some power to the government and one power not ceded is that of restricting the peoples’ rights without justification such as in advancing the general welfare or providing for the common defense.

Wilson ought to have been at least as well informed as to Original Intent as those who argue about judicial activism since he was a signer of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

You are correct insofar as the federal government goes: the Constitution establishes a federal government of enumerated powers; anything the feds can’t do is a matter for the states. Good to have you on the state’s rights bandwagon.

So, to use your example, the regulation or prohibition of abortion is absolutely not the province of the federal government. I would oppose, on constitutional grounds, federal law that attempted to establish abortion law. That kind of regulation is properly done, if at all, at the state level.

And it must be so. The constitution does not, for example, give the states the right to establish adoption rules. The states can each determine their own rules for adoption because, unlike the federal government, they do not need to find an enumerated power in the federal constitution before they act; they only need to ensure that whatever laws they pass are not constitutionally prohibited.

I’d suggest you do the same. You might start with Madison’s description of the judiciary as the weakest branch of government, having neither the power of the sword nor the purse. Turns out, Madison was wrong on that point – see, e.g., federal courts mandating tax increases in Kansas City as part of their busing orders.

“You people”? Who the hell are you, Ross Perot?

And, of course, it is false that only rights in the Constitution are protected. You have the right, for example, to not be denied service in a restaurant or hotel based on your race – not because of anything in the Constitution, but because of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In the state of Texas, you have the right to prevent most creditors from seizing your home, so long as it qualifies as a homestead, because the Texas constitution guarantees that right to its citizens.

The first part of this sentence is correct. The second part is nonsense.

You obviously haven’t read Roe. Roe did not hold that the state of Texas needed a specific constitutional grant of power before it could regulate or prohibit abortion; rather, it found that Texas was affirmatively prohibited from so regulating under a nebulous amalgamation of rights. Absent the “penumbra” that the court found, Texas could in fact regulate abortion all day long – the state did not need an affirmative grant of power to do so.

That is the creation of a right – it effectively amends the Bill of Rights to add a right to abortion without going through the required amendment process.

No, it hasn’t. The listing of rights in the Bill of Rights does not prevent the establishment of other rights in other places – such as federal statutory law and state constitutions. Indeed, the ninth amendment guarantees that these other sources of rights are valid even in the face of the specific enumerations of rights in the federal constitution.

Of course one does. One can condemn a bad decision on its merits.

Look, there’s clearly a broad range of possible approaches to interpreting the Constitution (or any constitution or legislation, really).

One can insist on relying on the strict literal meaning of the text.
Or one can supplement the literal meaning with information about what the authors of the text were attempting to do.
Or one can supplement both of the above with information about the changing context in which the legal text is applied. (Brief trivial example: suppose there’s a steep difference in the penalty for theft over $1000. After a period of hyperinflation, $1000 is the price of bus fare. It would seem there would be a legitimate question as to whether the steep penalty should still apply at the same cutoff point.)

Now, option 1 is a complete non-starter. For example, consider “No state shall…deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Now, every law on the books treats people unequally. Laws against theft treat thieves differently from non-thieves, which an overly strict literal interpretation of the Equal Protection clause would seem to condemn. Clearly this isn’t what the 14th Amendment’s authors intended, and it’s simply a ridiculous outcome.

So we move to option 2. Now, Bricker and Dewey would have us believe on the basis of author’s intent that the scope of equality mandated by the equal protection clause is limited to issues of race. Race, as you’ll note, isn’t so much as alluded to in the text of the 14th Amendment, so if they’re Strict Constructionists in good standing, we must conclude that it’s perfectly permissible to read entirely nonexistent stuff into a legal text so long as one has grounds to believe that the authors intended the text to be read that way.

It therefore follows that, for example, the absence of an explicit right to privacy in the Constitution is on its own not sufficient grounds for disapproving of Griswold et al. One must also have grounds for believing that the authors of the Bill of Rights did not intend to require the government to keeps its hands off a private sphere. Given the published opinions of many of those selfsame people, it’s far from clear that they didn’t intend to do just that. So it seems clear to me that there’s at least an argument to be made here that cannot be simply dismissed by pointing to the text of the Constitution.

Finally, it also seems clear to me that one must take context a la option 3 into consideration at least some of the time. The example I gave above would be a case in point. In a way, of course, this sort of contextual concern might be described as merely an aspect of author’s intent. In the theft over $1k situation, for example, one might argue that the intent of the legislators wasn’t to penalize theft over $1k per se, but rather theft over a certain amount of real value, and that in the case of hyperinflation the particular dollar figure of that real value isn’t really relevant.

In a similar way, one might hear it argued that the authors of the Massachusetts Constitution didn’t intend when writing their equal protection clause to be mandating a right to homosexual marriage (much as Dewey has just dismissively considered the possibility of the Framers intending a right to abortion). Of course, strictly speaking this is entirely true. However, it misses an important point. When the equal protection provisions were added to the MA constitution in the 70’s, homosexuality was still making the transition from being considered a mental illness by the scientific community to being considered a healthy and ordinary variation of human sexuality. So if you were to hop in your handy time machine and talk to the MA politicians of the time, I expect they’d tell you that hell, no, they weren’t intending to mandate a right to gay marriage. But they’d also think you were asking them if they intended to be allowing loonies to act on their delusions. Since that’s not, in fact, what we’re asking, their response to the question when characterized in that way is completely irrelevant. The relevant question to ask is whether they intended to prevent the government from forbidding marriage to a class of citizens where no compelling state interest exists to do so. And then you would most probably get a different answer.

So, to recap. Straight literal reading is a non-starter. Some sort of interpretation is required. And second, there is substantial room for disagreement on what constitutes author’s intent, and how that intent should be understood. So basically, anyone who tries to tell you that there’s only one viable method of legal interpretation, and a judge that goes beyond that is engaging in “activism” is full of hooey. This is not to say that there’s no such thing as judicial activism. I imagine that there are, indeed, cases where judges have pulled stuff straight out of their asses. But the cases most often mentioned, from Lawrence to Roe to Griswold to Lochner don’t strike me as being such cases. That’s not to say that there’s nothing to choose between them. There are plenty of grounds for criticizing a legal decsion besides attacking the legitimacy of the broad approach to legal interpretation underlying them. It’s just that calling the “invention” of a right to privacy “making shit up” when the authors of the Bill of Rights clearly intended for government to have an extremely restricted sphere of influence won’t fly.

I’m not even going to get into the question of rights, except to direct those interested to Jeremy Bentham’s famous quote.

Why are you limiting those that oppose “activism” to strict constructionists? There are plenty of people who oppose “activism” that are not strict constructionists. Would you say strict constructionism is a pretty marginal viewpoint? Can you name some influential strict constructionists?

So, you would then defer to judges? How about Scalia and Thomas? Do you defer to their “slant”, or only to the “slant” of judges who agree with you? See, that’s the problem. If you throw the constitution out the window, you’re only left with the opinions of other people.

And I see that **Dewey **already addressed the issue of the authorities retained by the states. One thing “you people” seem to forget about is that any authority not given to the feds in the constitution is retained by the states.