Gene Simmons speaks up against muslims

[bbart4]

Why oh why?

He does have the right to voice his opinion though, but it's just ridiculous.

Outrage as KISS player mouths off on Muslims


Among the tidbits:

"This is a vile culture and if you think for a second that it's willing to just live in the sands of God's armpit you've got another thing coming," says he.

"The Israeli-born US musician went on to say Islam was a "vile culture" that treated women worse than dogs."

[duffer]

I always proof would emerge that KISS is the greatest band ever.

[duffer]

Originally Posted by duffer

I always proof would emerge that KISS is the greatest band ever.

always knew

[Brutus]

From your cite:

The lizard-tongued rock god who is touring Australia with the world's most enduring glam rock band launched an attack on Muslim extremists during an interview on Melbourne's 3AW radio...

Bolding mine.

So what is the problem here?

[Bryan Ekers]

Originally Posted by bbart4

He does have the right to voice his opinion though, but...

...but the rest of that sentence is irrelevant.

[bbart4]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers

...but the rest of that sentence is irrelevant.

I can voice my opinion too, can't I?

Brutus,

No problem with that part you quoted but the article goes on:

The Israeli-born US musician went on to say Islam was a "vile culture" that treated women worse than dogs.

Muslim women had to walk behind their men and were not allowed to be educated or own houses, he said.

"Your dog, however, can walk side by side, your dog is allowed to have its own dog house... you can send your dog to school to learn tricks, sit, beg, do all that stuff - none of the women have that advantage."

No mention that's it's just the extremist there.

[Captain Pastrami]

Originally Posted by Brutus

From your cite:



Bolding mine.

So what is the problem here?

"Simmons had a right to free speech, but this had to be balanced against the damage done to innocent people... I think it would be good for overseas speakers and commentators to be given some sort of advice in regards to our vilification laws here," Yasser Soliman said. "They leave and go back to where they arrived from, but they leave behind a big mess that we have to deal with."

That is the problem here, or rather the problem in Australia

[SPOOFE]

but this had to be balanced against the damage done to innocent people

I like to think that innocent people are still capable of resisting the sophisticated brainwashing techniques of Gene Simmons.

[Marley23]

He can say whatever he wants, and Gene - although I have an undying respect for his immense knowledge of world affairs - has chosen to make some comments that make him sound like a douche.

Who'd have thought a guy famous for having a giant tongue would be able to stick his foot in his mouth?

[Miller]

Considering this is a guy who made his fame and fortune on his ability to piss off Christians, I say this rates a big "Meh."

[Master Wang-Ka]

Yeah, I'd say that considering that no one is paying Gene Simmons for his skill at diplomacy, his tremendous sensitivity, or his knowledge of world events, international affairs, or politics...

...that this is of no importance whatsoever, no?

[Dewey Cheatem Undhow]

Originally Posted by SPOOFE

I like to think that innocent people are still capable of resisting the sophisticated brainwashing techniques of Gene Simmons.

Not according to Tipper Gore.

[Snooooopy]

Gene REALLY botched his chance at winning the Nobel Peace Prize, didn't he? And this was SO his year, too!

[Sylkyn]

It's not really surprising, considering he was born in Israel, and is Jewish. I imagine he's had those sentiments some time.

[bbart4]

"Simmons had a right to free speech, but this had to be balanced against the damage done to innocent people... I think it would be good for overseas speakers and commentators to be given some sort of advice in regards to our vilification laws here," Yasser Soliman said. "They leave and go back to where they arrived from, but they leave behind a big mess that we have to deal with."

Although his comment is ridiculous, I do believe that Gene is given a bit too much credit here of being capable to cause much of anything.

It is somewhat amusing to see an over-the-hill-prepackaged-talent mouthing off about world affairs.

[TeaElle]

Does no one else see the extreme irony in Gene Simmons complaining about the treatment of women?

[TVeblen]

Originally Posted by TeaElle

Does no one else see the extreme irony in Gene Simmons complaining about the treatment of women?

Gad, I'm glad someone else stopped dead on that one.

Gotta love pop culture, mainly because so much of the pontificating is so damned silly. These people live in (for?) the limelight so you'd think they'd be slightly savvier. Unless they're drunk on their own fame, I guess.
Celebrities are citizens so they're entitled to opinions but I'll never understand why journalism grants them any extra coverage outside their area of fame.
On second thought, I do understand. The aim is make bucks, not inform, so the journalists and celebrities whore each other.

News at 10! Brad Pitt on stem cell research, Cameron Diaz on economic recovery and Whatsername Garofolo on UN Treaties.

A person couldn't make up this shit.

[Otters We Love]

good point.
Just read an interveiw with Nikki Sixx, who says his 3 year old daughter is much smarter than the strippers he's known.

These guys have such a low opinion of women.
Of course, it different from Muslim's.

[Otters We Love]

and Carrot Topp pontificates on partial birth abortion.

[NurseCarmen]

Originally Posted by TeaElle

Does no one else see the extreme irony in Gene Simmons complaining about the treatment of women?

I scrolled down that far before someone pointed that out!

Terry Gross. Fresh Air. Gene Simmons interview

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by SPOOFE

I like to think that innocent people are still capable of resisting the sophisticated brainwashing techniques of Gene Simmons.

I'm sending you a bill for the new keyboard I'll have to buy now that this one has had beer sprayed all over it.

That was an excellent one-liner.

[Larry Mudd]

Originally Posted by TeaElle

Does no one else see the extreme irony in Gene Simmons complaining about the treatment of women?

Well, there's a certain amount of sense in it -- after all, Western women are degraded and debased by being compelled to wear revealing clothing, make-up, and outlandish and chiropractically-unsound high heels. Plenty of room for empathy, there.

Besides, he's such a.. erm... see you next Tuesday.

Spits blood, too.

[Muffin]

Originally Posted by Otters We Love

and Carrot Topp pontificates on partial birth abortion.

I thought Carrot Top was a partial birth abortion.

[NDP]

Awhile back, before he became a Republican Party tool, Dennis Miller said something that's applicable here:

Anyone who listens to anything Gene Simmons has to say probably had the silly straw chromosome to begin with.

[rjung]

Of course, it'll be amusing to watch the morally-uptight bigoted Christian conservatives suddenly change their tune and start complimenting Gene Simmons...

[Necro Romancer]

Originally Posted by rjung

Of course, it'll be amusing to watch the morally-uptight bigoted Christian conservatives suddenly change their tune and start complimenting Gene Simmons...

Oh alright, just for you!

I thank you God for Gene Simmons and all the wonderful things he has and will do. Amen.

Finally, even a knight in service to Satan speaks out against Muslims. That's how evil Muslims are; Satan thinks they've gone too far. Why can't you people see this? It's time to take off those beer goggles, you homos!

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by rjung

Of course, it'll be amusing to watch the morally-uptight bigoted Christian conservatives suddenly change their tune and start complimenting Gene Simmons...

Hey, if Hamas and Hezbollah can condemn the people who killed Nick Berg...

[Already in Use]

Originally Posted by duffer

I always knew proof would emerge that KISS is the greatest band ever.

Sorry, but by those standards, Anal Cunt is still in the lead, with their scathing piece of social commentary entitled, "Even Though Your Culture Oppresses Women, You Still Suck, You Fucking Towelhead."

[Liberal]

Rjung speaks up against christians

Why oh why?

He does have the right to voice his opinion though, but it's just ridiculous.

Outrage as Dope poster mouths off on Christians


Among the tidbits:

"Of course, it'll be amusing to watch the morally-uptight bigoted Christian conservatives suddenly change their tune and start complimenting Gene Simmons...," says he.

[duffer]

Originally Posted by Already in Use

Sorry, but by those standards, Anal Cunt is still in the lead, with their scathing piece of social commentary entitled, "Even Though Your Culture Oppresses Women, You Still Suck, You Fucking Towelhead."

Yeah, but who did God Of Thunder?

[Boyo Jim]

Originally Posted by SPOOFE

I like to think that innocent people are still capable of resisting the sophisticated brainwashing techniques of Gene Simmons.

You'd be wrong. The North Koreans and Red Chinese would kill to have the power that KISS did over American youth in its heyday. Fortunately Gene Simmons had restraint. He limited himself to damaging their eardrums, and and turning millions of kids into sex and drugs fiends. Thank you, Gene, for small favors.

[TwistofFate]

spoofe, if fucking Jar-Jar Binks said something that aligns with your pathetic worldview, you'd be reappraising his contribution to the Star Wars universe.

regardless of how pathetic an influence Gene Simmons might have, he is still a douchebag for what he said.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Hey, if Hamas and Hezbollah can condemn the people who killed Nick Berg...

Hey, is this true? I was about to comment on the fact that some statement characterizing Islam based on particular branches of this religion can get quite a response from the general Islamic community, but I"ve heard nothing from them condemning the killers of Nick Berg.

[zuma]

I'd like to know if it is true that a dog can walk next to a man, but a woman must walk behind the man. Anyone who can provide a factual answer to that would be appreciated

[zuma]

Oh, the Simmons quote in question:

The Israeli-born US musician went on to say Islam was a "vile culture" that treated women worse than dogs.

Muslim women had to walk behind their men and were not allowed to be educated or own houses, he said.

"Your dog, however, can walk side by side, your dog is allowed to have its own dog house... you can send your dog to school to learn tricks, sit, beg, do all that stuff - none of the women have that advantage."

[Aldebaran]

Originally Posted by zuma

I'd like to know if it is true that a dog can walk next to a man, but a woman must walk behind the man. Anyone who can provide a factual answer to that would be appreciated

Never heard of this obviously drugged "musician". One look at his picture was enough to convince me that is not a disaster for my cultural life. If you need to paint yourself like a failed clown to draw attention to your "art", that says to me enough about the quality of the product.

About dogs in Muslim societies. The clown-painted "musician" seems to have a lot to say about something he has quite obviously not even one clue about. I do hope for his fans that he has more clues about the notes he is supposed to reproduce.

1. I would not like to feed and shelter the countrless Muslims on this globe who believe that a dog is unclean.
2. Hence those countless Muslims wont even let a dog enter their house.
3. Countless Muslims even go as far as to cross the street when a dog appears, for avoiding to come even close to a dog.
4. Hence those countless Muslims certainly don't feel much for doing with dogs what the painted clown gives as such a good contrast to what women receive from those countrless Muslims.

So far for this genial observation of the clown-musician.

Now his truly exceptional case study on women walking half a step behind a man.

Yes, it can be seen on daily-life streets at some daily-life locations. I never asked myself as to why that is.
Now that you come to ask about it, I can with my fast functioning one-cell brain imagine some reasons:
1. Taliban Lunatic locations. We all know how women are seen there.
2. Culture intertwined with Islamic teachings in typical patriarchal orientated societies. The man must not only provide for everything his household needs. He is also responsible for everything regarding safety and protection.
Women sees her husband, brother, father, other male relative in that light. The men are considered to "take the heat" in crowded streets. I don't think there is much "oppression" involved in that. It is a cultural infested habit.
Can of course come across as the opposite in Western eyes.

Now that I come to think of it: I never saw one women in my family taking half a step backwards when I show up. They also usually are out of the door first. I also tend to loose them when we go shopping (only one for example where I am supposed to follow them) and must then wait until they choose to show up again. Loaded with things I didn't tell them to buy.
I must be a Very Bad Muslim.

It can also be of course that I don't provoke much respect.... This thought is a torture... Sure is going to keep me awake tonight.

Salaam. A
Off now to the task of the daily beatings.. Already sweating, although I only watch it be done. Or what do you think.

[Powers106]

Just a guess, but I figure that the people who are ranting against Gene Simmons' comments are the same folk who thought Marlyn Manson was so clever and intellectual in the movie Bowling for Columbine. So, everyone has the right to their opinion, and I'd say Gene Simmons has a few accurate comments in there, mabye not so eloquently put however. 99% of the terrorist are lslamic extremists and women clearly don't have the same rights as men in that part of the world. Interesting that they had to get a quote from the Australian muslim of the year, who by the way grew up in Australia . Of course she doesn't "walk behind her husband" - I think Gene was referring to Muslim women in the Middle East. Oh, the outrage! Sheesh.

Powers

[Aldebaran]

Powers,

Kindly look at my location. Which says: Middle East.

Salaam. A

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

Kindly look at my location. Which says: Middle East.

Location: as-šarq al-'awsaţ

It does?

[Liberal]

It's Martian.

[TwistofFate]

Originally Posted by Powers106

So, everyone has the right to their opinion, and I'd say Gene Simmons has a few accurate comments in there, mabye not so eloquently put however.

which ones?

99% of the terrorist are lslamic extremists and women clearly don't have the same rights as men in that part of the world.

85% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Interesting that they had to get a quote from the Australian muslim of the year, who by the way grew up in Australia . Of course she doesn't "walk behind her husband" - I think Gene was referring to Muslim women in the Middle East. Oh, the outrage! Sheesh.

Powers

does it matter what country that guy came from? Simmons wasn't particularly specific in what country the Muslims he regards as "vile" come from.

[Otters We Love]

To correct a few posts here, Gene Simmons has always been anti-drug.

[gum]

From this: as-šarq al-'awsat is a London based Arab daily.

In Arabic, North Africa and the Middle East+Egypt are
respectively referred to as "al-maghrib" and "al-mashriq",
the West and East.
mashriq ~ east-land (ma- "place of" + sharq "east")
maghrib ~ west-land (ma- + gharb "west")

Ironically, many Middle Eastern languages have now borrowed
the term "Middle East" from Europe; thus Arabic calls it
as sharq al-awsat (name of a major paper; sharq = east,
al-awsat= the-middle) and Persian as khaavar-e miane.

Aldebaran

Loaded with things I didn't tell them to buy.

You didn't tell them? Jeez. What happened after that?

[PunditLisa]

If you (Gene Simmons) need to paint yourself like a failed clown to draw attention to your "art", that says to me enough about the quality of the product.

No, no, no! He's painted to look like a big, scary demon, not a clown. He dresses in black vinyl jumpsuits complete with a bat-like cape and 10 inch platform shoes. He spits "blood" and waggles his reeeally long tongue in a demonic manner while beating his guitar strings and screaming nonsensical 4th grade level lyrics.

Gosh, I can't imagine why you haven't heard of him. If KISS can't transcend cultural and language barriers, I can't imagine who could.

And, for the record, you'd BETTER have your women under your thumb should Simmons be around, because he bragged in an interview (link above) that if he walked into a room, your wife WOULD want to go home with him.

[Captain Pastrami]

Nice to see that Brutus is still doing his usual fly by and drop an utterly pointless and inflammatory post into a thread and then vanish. :wally

[Frank]

Originally Posted by gum

Ironically, many Middle Eastern languages have now borrowed
the term "Middle East" from Europe; thus Arabic calls it
as sharq al-awsat (name of a major paper; sharq = east,
al-awsat= the-middle) and Persian as khaavar-e miane.

Thanks, gum, that's cool to know. Nevertheless, I think if Aldebaran is going to get snitty about his location, it would work better if the location was in a language most of us can understand.

[Larry Mudd]

Originally Posted by Powers106

Interesting that they had to get a quote from the Australian muslim of the year, who by the way grew up in Australia . Of course she doesn't "walk behind her husband" - I think Gene was referring to Muslim women in the Middle East.

Let's see...

This is a vile culture and if you think for a second that it's going to just live in the sands of God's armpit you've got another thing coming ... They want to come and live right where you live and they think that you're evil.

How silly to quote from an Australian woman who married into a Muslim family that emigrated from Egypt (Oh, I mean "the sands of God's armpit", pardon me) on the subject of Muslims who "want to live where you live." She couldn't possibly have the insight into the motivations of Muslim immigrants to Australia that a megalomaniacal religious bigot from another continent does.

[hajario]

Originally Posted by Sylkyn

It's not really surprising, considering he was born in Israel, and is Jewish. I imagine he's had those sentiments some time.

Because, of course, all Israeli Jews are racist. Either that or you're as much as stupid fucking tool as Simmons.

Haj

[Mister Rik]

Holy cow! An American celebrity not spouting anti-American propaganda? What is the world coming to?

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by Captain Pastrami

Nice to see that Brutus is still doing his usual fly by and drop an utterly pointless and inflammatory post into a thread and then vanish.

So, Captain Registered-for-four-days, who's sockpuppet are you?