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Old 06-01-2004, 05:31 PM
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Jim Carroll's "People Who Died"

I have never heard this many people die in one song. We got:

-1 Accident (drug related)

-4 suicides

-1 leukemia

-2 hepatitis (presumably from sharing needles)

-1 in Vietnam

-1 Overdose (on drano?! on his wedding night?!!)

-3 murders

That's 13 deaths in one song. That beats out your average slasher flick.

What I'm wondering is, are these all true? Did he really know all these people? I know Bobby really was a friend of his that died of leukemia when they were kids but I don't know about the rest.

I've had quite a few friends die, mostly from car wrecks, one got shot. Two suicides. And then just last week a guy I knew since he was in kindergarten (I was good friends with his older brother and my sister was friends with him) OD'ed and died on some sort of cleaning agent (Ajax or Comet.) Someone sold it to him as cocaine. He was only 18 .

If all these are true then Carroll has had some real dickhouse luck with friends .
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Old 06-01-2004, 05:53 PM
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I guess you never saw The Basketball Diaries?
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Old 06-01-2004, 06:26 PM
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Not quite the same thing, but Tom Lehrer basically ticks off the entire population of the world in "We Will All Go Together When We Go," his merry ditty about a nuclear WWIII. To be precise, though, these are deaths that haven't happened yet, and the dead are referred to by groups. Implicitly, though, he's including all of us.
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Old 06-01-2004, 07:45 PM
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And there's always the Butthole Surfers song, Pepper.

Lotsa nasty things happening to people in that song, too.
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Old 06-01-2004, 08:42 PM
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They were all my friends....
and they died!
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Old 06-01-2004, 08:50 PM
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Bobby got leukemia, 14 years old
He looked like 65 when he died
He was a friend of mine

I love that song. And The Basketball Diaries (There's a video for "people who died" at the end, you know.) And his collection of poetry Fear of Dreaming....
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Old 06-01-2004, 09:30 PM
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Totally irrelevant trivia--the Asylum Street Spankers (featuring Wammo, a noted slam poet who has, IIRC, performed with Carroll) include a bit of this song in the middle of "Tight Like That", one of their many old-timey acoustic numbers. I had heard the Carroll song years ago, and had never placed the bit in the Spankers song until I saw them about a year ago and pieced it together.
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Old 06-01-2004, 11:38 PM
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And there's always the Butthole Surfers song, Pepper.

Lotsa nasty things happening to people in that song, too.
Not only that, there's also The Nails' "88 Lines About 44 Women". Nobody dies, but still....
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:13 AM
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I seem to recall reading once that Jim Carroll claimed the stories in that song were all true. For whatever that's worth.

I love Jim Carroll.
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:05 AM
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I guess you never saw The Basketball Diaries?

I don't remember it being a gorefest. Did he talk about all these people in that movie?
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:07 AM
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Well, there's always Lyle Lovett's Family Reserve. May not be 13, but lessee:
  • Uncle Eugene, who died on October 2, 1981,
  • Uncle Wilbur, who used to keep rolls of 50's and 100's in the glove box of his old gray Impala,
  • Cousin Calloway, who choked to death on peanut butter at age 2,
  • Brian Temple, who died when he jumped from the third story and missed the swimming pool,
  • Great Uncle Julius,
  • Aunt Annie Mueller,
  • Mary,
  • Granddaddy Paul,
  • Hannah,
  • Ella,
  • Alvin,
  • Alec, who owned his own funeral hall.
So, not 13, but a quite respectable 12 instead.
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Old 06-03-2004, 09:38 AM
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Well, there's always Lyle Lovett's Family Reserve. May not be 13, but lessee:
  • Uncle Eugene, who died on October 2, 1981,
  • Uncle Wilbur, who used to keep rolls of 50's and 100's in the glove box of his old gray Impala,
  • Cousin Calloway, who choked to death on peanut butter at age 2,
  • Brian Temple, who died when he jumped from the third story and missed the swimming pool,
  • Great Uncle Julius,
  • Aunt Annie Mueller,
  • Mary,
  • Granddaddy Paul,
  • Hannah,
  • Ella,
  • Alvin,
  • Alec, who owned his own funeral hall.
So, not 13, but a quite respectable 12 instead.
To say nothing of the
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and more I could mention,
than words I could write in a song
which, though imprecise, seems to drag quite a few more corpses in.
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Old 06-03-2004, 09:54 AM
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I guess you never saw The Basketball Diaries?
Is it just me? I hope it's just me. This post made me snort coffee. I pictured Jessica Simpson saying it. Unless it's a whoosh, like comments about the novelization of The Passion.

Um, Basketball Diaries was an important book for 22 years before it became an extremely unimportant movie.

Maybe I'm just not aging well . . .
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Old 06-03-2004, 11:39 AM
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That's the way of the world now, lissener -- the minute a movie adaptation is released, the book is no longer the medium of choice for that story.
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:53 PM
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I read The Basketball Diaries and if I remember right Herbie really did push Tony off the Boys Club roof and Bobby really did die of leukemia. The book didn't say anything about Eddy getting slit in the jugular vein, or someone ODing on Drano (nor did it explain what Drano was.)
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:42 PM
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That's the way of the world now, lissener -- the minute a movie adaptation is released, the book is no longer the medium of choice for that story.
And now Carroll's own life story has a picture of a lousy actor on the cover. *sigh*

(Hey, anybody read Forced Entries?)
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Old 06-05-2004, 10:43 AM
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And now Carroll's own life story has a picture of a lousy actor on the cover. *sigh*

(Hey, anybody read Forced Entries?)

Hey! I was just rereading Forced Entries on my way to work on Tuesday! Even knowing now that his diaries were edited and re-edited (much like Anais Nin's), I still find them fascinating, and that one rings true to the tales that my friends who were in NYC in the 70s told me. (I was in NYC in the 70s, too, but I was 10 in 1972, so I definitely did not see the world Jim Carroll saw.)

It gave me odd hope when I first read it, that I too could become a writer and write about NYC and life here.
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Old 06-05-2004, 01:55 PM
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someone ODing on Drano (nor did it explain what Drano was.)
I'm pretty sure Drano is Drano - the the drain cleaner. They've used it as a murder weapon in a cult film from the 80s, after all, so it must be enough to kill you.
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Old 06-05-2004, 02:19 PM
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It gave me odd hope when I first read it, that I too could become a writer and write about NYC and life here.
That's funny. When I read it it gave me an odd hope I could quit heroin (and I did How's the writing going?)


I think the Drano reference was to "hot shots" were somebody slips a junkie that in place of heroin...so really, even a more horrible death than in "Heathers" . (And, no, despite the above, I do not know about this from any sort of personal experience.)
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Old 06-05-2004, 02:53 PM
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That's funny. When I read it it gave me an odd hope I could quit heroin (and I did

How bad were you hooked? How long were you on it? What was it like doing it? What was it like quitting?


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I think the Drano reference was to "hot shots" were somebody slips a junkie that in place of heroin...so really, even a more horrible death than in "Heathers" . (And, no, despite the above, I do not know about this from any sort of personal experience.)

This is probably what happened. Like I said in the OP, something similar happened to my friend about a week and a half ago.
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Old 06-05-2004, 05:24 PM
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It definately was the world he lived in - although my world of youth was not the same as his, it was very similar.

Back in the 80's & 90's when I was part of the punk scene - and I would say between 25 and 40% of the people I knew in the scene from 1985 to now have died - so 13 looks like a drop in the bucket.

OD's, suicide, accidents, murder, Hep C, and many other nasty thing - one of the first when I was 15 someone I had met only days before jumped off a building as I was heading back to the abandoned warehouse where we all we living till now when people I know are sick with Hep C & HIV and may be dying any day now.
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Old 06-05-2004, 06:27 PM
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I interviewed Jim Carroll over the phone once for my college newspaper. I hadn't read the book, so I rented the movie and watched it just before I called him.
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Old 06-06-2004, 04:21 PM
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How bad were you hooked? How long were you on it? What was it like doing it? What was it like quitting?

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Errrr...seems like a hijack to get personal, but since you asked...if you count from when I did it the first time to when I did it the last time, almost ten years. Not that was doing it all the time then. What was it like? It was great. It was wonderful. Shooting dope feels fantastic...to quote Trainspotting, of course it's good...you don't think we're stupid do you???

Of course, as the very aptly named Trainspotting implies, it's great if you want to give up on having any real life...(hmmm...which is of course part of the atraction.)

Quitting sucked. It hurts ya know. Kind of pisses me off that cigarette smokers get gum and all kinds of things to get over withdrawl and all dope fiends can do is go on a methadone program...which is more than I needed, really. Actually, I got of the physical part with some pills from my dentist (in a week....they don't let you do that on a methadone program...).
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Old 06-06-2004, 07:49 PM
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Do you listen to www.radioio.com (80s)? I ask because I play it frequently at work and at home, but have heard the song three times this weekend.
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