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Old 06-09-2004, 07:13 AM
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Fifth grade girls have boobies.

I can't believe it.

I went to see my son's class in a school play. I'm shocked ! All the little girls have boobies, not little apple seed things, but real live boobs. And the girls were all wearing little half cut t-shits and low rise jeans. All of these girls looked a lot older then 10 or 11.

I was a fifth grade girl once and I don't remember anyone having knockers like that.

All of a sudden it became clear to me, I now understand why my son goes through so much laundry and spends so much time in his room.

Holy Crap, the kids are all growing up too fast.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:21 AM
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I was a B-cup in grade five, and I had skipped a grade, making me a year younger than everyone else. I don't think it's all that unusual.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:22 AM
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I had a B-cup in the fifth grade, but I did develop a bit earlier than most of my classmates. I also got my period when I was 11, so I started in the fifth grade.

Since it was 1991, low rise jeans weren't the style, so I didn't see girls wearing those, but I did see a fair amount of little tiny shirts (outside of school, though - I went to Catholic schools so we wore uniforms).
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:29 AM
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Holy Crap, the kids are all growing up too fast.
Remember back in medieval times that kids 10-13 would already be married and having kids themselves? If you hit the age of thirty that would be considered old.

I think around the fifth or sixth grade I started developing boobs. Not a damn thing my mom could do to stop it either If you are the kid, you aren't growing up fast enough, if you are the parent, it's way to fast.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:34 AM
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I started in the developing in the spring of fourth grade. I was one of the first in my age group, and normally, I like being the leader, but I got teased a lot.

Jokes on them - the boys who teased me mercilessly are now losing their hair at this point in their lives.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:51 AM
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Yep, it has been tied to the way we live now. Diet and societal pressures. I read about it in Time magazine (I think) and have noticed it myself. Periods are starting earlier too.

Hard to mentally balance a 'woman' doing a silly play for a family dinner party with friends. Actions: 11 year old, language: 11 year old, emotions: 11 yr old, intelligence: 11 yr old, face: 11 yr old, body: Oh god, I'm going to jail.

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Old 06-09-2004, 07:59 AM
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Remember back in medieval times that kids 10-13 would already be married and having kids themselves? If you hit the age of thirty that would be considered old.
From what I understand, children may have been promised or, on the rare occasion, married to someone much older, but I don't think there was a huge rash of 10 year olds having kids. And generally, 30 was not old at all. Due to disease, most people were lucky to make it to age 3, but if you made it there, you could very possibly hit old age. Having the death rate at such a young age skews the average life span, making it look like 27 year olds were considered elderly when in fact, there were tons of people who 30 and much older.

Oh, and I have a 12 year old sister (just past 7th grade now) and she didn't start developing until very recently, I think.
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:25 AM
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Forget about fifth graders -- our 6-year-old, MilliCal, was playing at the neighbor's house yesterday (two boys) in her "princess" dress, and I couldn't help noticing her protruding proto-breasts against the stretchy, clingy fabric, nipples and aureolae clearly prominent and looking surprisingly adolescent. None of the kids took any notice, but I was feeling a powerful paternal desire to have her Cover Up. Or maybe put on a bra.

She'll be seven in a couple of months, but still...
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:29 AM
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Nutrition. And, the hormones in the beef/chicken. And the fat. Even maybe the phthalates in the plastic bottles.

All those are being blamed for the alleged early-puberty "epidemic" (I have my doubts as to whether it's really THAT big [sorry] or late a thing. I recall some intimidatingly well-developed 6th-graders -- 11 y/o -- when I was one myself, c. 1972)

As for the "middle-ages" thing: more like 14 (e.g. Juliet), really. IF she made it past infancy, that was the tricky part. interface2x has the rest of the point.

Actually, I've been reading somewhere that transition periods from mostly-rural to mostly-urban life, can cause a temporary downward blip in nutrition and fitness -- including retardations of development -- due to no longer having fresh, wholesome foods (however modest) and outdoor physical activity, as a part of everyday life. So who knows, maybe the expectation that development not start 'til past 12 is an artifact of 100 years of living on processed flour. Or we're just noticing more because of the wearing of lowrider pants and crop tops.
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:05 AM
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A friend's daughter started developing at about age 10. And by started, I mean BAM!! exploded these large bags from her poor little frame. By age 12, I kid you not, she must have been a DD. She got all sorts of attention, not all of it good for a preteen.

Now she's 20 and quite a fetching young woman. She's planning on breast reduction in the near future.

But, I remember how worried her mom was about every guy in the city hitting on her. And lots of them were. Come on, it had to be the breasts!
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:40 AM
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Remember back in medieval times that kids 10-13 would already be married and having kids themselves?
No, I don't remember that, because it never happened. This is one of those "facts" that gets thrown around but that no one ever has a cite for because it's an example of "common knowledge" that just isn't true.

It was never common for 10-13 year olds to have kids themselves. Even with modern medical care it's extremely dangerous for a child that young to give birth. They're just too small. A woman's hips don't usually reach their full childbearing width until she's in her early twenties. That's a skeletal thing, so being an "early bloomer" in terms of breasts or menstruation doesn't matter. Besides which, a fertile 10-year-old is unusual now, and would have been extremely rare in the past.

From the first relevant scholarly link I could turn up with Google:

"In the United States, the average for the onset of menstruation is 12 - 13 years (12.1 for blacks; 12.8 for whites) as opposed to an average age of 14 years back in 1900. This is still sooner than in current hunter-gatherer societies (such as the ˇ Kung of Africa) where the average age for the onset of female reproductive potential is 16 years!"

Historically, I don't think it's ever been common in any society for girls to be married off before the age of 14 or 15, and that was more the practice among the upper classes (who had reason to arrange early marriages for financial/political reasons) than ordinary folk. In Ancient Sparta women didn't marry until age 18, which IIRC was at least partially because the Spartans recognized that younger brides rarely produced healthy babies...or survived childbirth.

To throw out some purely anecdotal information, girls in Japan seem to develop more slowly than their American counterparts. When I first came over to teach I quickly learned that when kids asked me to guess their age (which they love to do for some reason) the only hope I had of coming close was to guess four or five years older than I thought they actually looked. This may be at least partially because the typical Japanese diet is much lower in fat, red meat, and dairy products than the typical American diet.

Something I think a lot of people don't know is that body fat produces estrogen. This is one reason why women with very low body fat stop menstruating, and why overweight men may develop "man boobs". If excess body fat can put breasts on a man, then even a little extra fat could help an adolescent girl become busty before her time.
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:40 AM
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I agree, it's not just the times. One of my best friends, now 42, got her period at age 11 and was wearing a bra in fourth. Personally I didn't get my period until age 14 and it's still an open question whether I need a bra or not.

The alarming information came out a year or so ago that girls were getting their periods earlier, due to what? Hormones in milk? All kinds of reasons. Some of which may be true. But it seems to be when I actually read the article the drop was a matter of months, from an average age of 12.5 years, say to 12.1. Or something like that. I should get a cite.
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:50 AM
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I hate to say this, but I just can't resist: - this is going to need some pictures.



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Old 06-09-2004, 10:22 AM
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Well, I have a 14-year-old daughter and she's very, errrr, well-developed. We went to her eighth-grade graduation ceremony last week and I know for certain that 14-year-olds weren't built like THAT when I was one. I had to laugh because 14-year-old boys pretty much still look like scarecrows - there wasn't a girl in the place who couldn't have wiped the floor with any of the boys.
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Old 06-09-2004, 11:56 AM
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I couldn't believe it the first time I saw a class of 5th graders together, but the differences really started around 3rd grade.

It only gets worse. In middle school the girls are all grown up. Make-up, hourglass figures, grown up hair and grown up attitude. The boys, on the other hand, are every stage of development from little skinny children to huge muscular men with mustaches. It's very weird.

I do remember being in 5 and 6th grade and all the girls starting to need bras.
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Old 06-09-2004, 12:19 PM
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It only gets worse. In middle school the girls are all grown up. Make-up, hourglass figures, grown up hair and grown up attitude. The boys, on the other hand, are every stage of development from little skinny children to huge muscular men with mustaches. It's very weird.
Isn't that just how that goes, tho'? I mean, I remember hearing all through elementary and middle school how girls tended to grow up faster than boys, or develop more noticeably, at least.

That said, how would we tell if *more* girls are growing up with bigger boobs? Or growing up faster? I mean, alot of the animals in the meat we eat are hormone-enhanced, yeah, but does anyone have any sources to cite that might suggest that that affects adolescent development? If so, that sounds like it'd make for some interesting reading.

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Old 06-09-2004, 12:35 PM
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Here's a cite for definite changes in the onset of puberty in girls: http://www.upmccancercenters.com/new...fm?article=981

Basically, nobody really has a clear idea of why it's happening.
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Old 06-09-2004, 01:00 PM
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When I was in 5th grade, there was one girl(out of about 18 in the class) with real boobs and the boys made fun of her all the time. To this day I can't figure out what we were thinking. 'Oh, she's got boobs. That's gross. Let's make her feel bad.'

It was only a few years later that I started to realize boobs on a girl looked good!
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Old 06-09-2004, 03:00 PM
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I'm not here to dispute anything, just to say that I was in Grade 8 in 1969, so all of my classmates were born in the late '50s. There were no girls in my class who had any more boobies than I did (I'm a guy), or we would have noticed! In fact, I remember two girls who got teased by the boys, who referred to them as "raisins on a board". One was tall and thin, the other short and thin, neither had any boobies. I didn't start to see any of those until Grade 9.

Now, I have a 14-year-old niece who has had her own adult accoutrements for three years, and there is no kind of way she is an adult yet.

Maybe there is something to hormones in meat contributing to the early onset of puberty nowadays.
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Old 06-09-2004, 03:12 PM
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Slight problem with the meat-hormone theory - hormone-treated meat has been banned in the EU for over a decade, and there's no sign of the early-blooming trend fading.
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Old 06-09-2004, 03:14 PM
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When I was in 5th grade, there was one girl(out of about 18 in the class) with real boobs and the boys made fun of her all the time. To this day I can't figure out what we were thinking. 'Oh, she's got boobs. That's gross. Let's make her feel bad.'

It was only a few years later that I started to realize boobs on a girl looked good!
Two questions:

1) How long has it been since the 5th grade, and
2) Are you losing your hair?
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Old 06-09-2004, 03:46 PM
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I seem to recall girls beginning to develop physically around twelve-thirteen years old, back in the early 1950s. There were a few who were ahead of their times, yes, but they were in the minority. I fear we boys teased them horribly but at the same time, we were intrigued.

On the other hand, I actually knew a few girls who were married at 14-15. Texas was pretty primitive back then and most girls saw marriage as their true destiny---working class girls, I should say, since that was where my experience lay. Those very young brides usually had "older" husbands--18 to 19. Sad.
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Old 06-09-2004, 03:50 PM
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It is true. Only in my particular grade, most girls are as flat as boards, and only have bras to make it look like they have boobs at all. I on the other hand, am developing quite nicley if I do say so myself. Good sized boobs, and large hips. Downside, guys in my grade are intrested in the other girls. Upside, older guys, such as ones in my brother's band, like my figure I'll take older musicians over immature jackasses my age anyday.
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Old 06-09-2004, 04:43 PM
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When I was in 5th grade, there was one girl(out of about 18 in the class) with real boobs and the boys made fun of her all the time. To this day I can't figure out what we were thinking. 'Oh, she's got boobs. That's gross. Let's make her feel bad.'

It was only a few years later that I started to realize boobs on a girl looked good!
So that was you, huh?
I remember I outgrew my older (by three years) sister's bra by the time I was in fifth grade.
I really wasn't paying any attention to them when they arrived.
One day someone (my mom, probably) said, "Hey, that girl needs a bra!" and I was like, "Oh, yeah. Huh."

You guys sure weren't making fun in High School.
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Old 06-09-2004, 06:44 PM
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Heh.

Count me in as one of the early bloomers. I got my period the summer before 5th grade, and by then I had C cup breasts, too. It was horrid being that young and as developed as I was. Nickname...Tittywoman. I'm quite ok with it now, though.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:18 PM
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:41 PM
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1. 25 years
2. no.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:41 PM
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I just asked my wife, and she started developing boobies in the 4th grade!

and they kept right on a-developin'...
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:53 PM
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Huh. Wonder if ethnicity has anything to do with it. Us Irish girls didn't start getting at all concave until we were 12 or 13, and I remember my first visit from Aunt Flo coming when I was a couple of months shy of 14. 13 was supposed to be The Age, and we were actually taught that in school, in the primitive sex ed of the 70's. We were told that if you didn't get your period by 16, you should see a doctor, but nothing about the earliest age it should happen; there were whispers in the girls' room about poor girls who got 'the curse' at age 11, but that would have been considered very freakish.
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:04 PM
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Us Irish girls didn't start getting at all concave until we were 12 or 13.
My goodness, what sort of strange bra would you wear for that?
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:27 PM
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:45 PM
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I know I started my period real early - I was 9 I think - but I can't recall anything about my boobies. I never really paid much attention to them. All I do remember is my mom constantly tryng to get me to wear a bra. We would be walking around in a store, and she would "innocently" rub my back, and upon finding my back rather smooth and uninterrupted, would ask me why I wasn't wearing one. Eventually, she got to wear 'em. I wasn't a normal child. I wasn't too thrilled about my first training bra. And I can't say that I recall anybody in fifth grade with boobs, but then again, they werent on the top of my list to look for.
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:58 PM
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My sister hated her training bra.

The wheels kept bruising her underarms.
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Old 06-09-2004, 10:32 PM
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I was born September 11, 1957. Having a September birthday meant that I was one of the oldest kids in my class, and then/there "they" didn't believe in allowing kids to skip a grade. I was 10 years old in fourth grade, and that's when I started developing my woman's shape and it's also when I started having my periods. I was happy to have an hourglass figure, but I was less than thrilled with the whole menstruation business. In fact, I was delighted to have a hysterectomy about 3 years ago.

I never wore a training bra, just went straight to a B or C cup. I got teased a lot when I was in grade school...and I made SURE that the boys paid for that teasing in high school. I have a long memory for such things, and I don't forgive easily.
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Old 06-09-2004, 11:04 PM
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I was wearing a bra in 2nd grade.

So that made me ... hmm. Eight? (I was born in September and went to a school that believed in letting you wait a year to start school if you were born in a weird month ...)
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Old 06-09-2004, 11:09 PM
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I didn't start "developing" until I was 14 or so, and had nothing worth putting in a bra until I was in college. Even now, at 36, I consider a bra optional unless I am wearing a light-colored or fitted shirt. I was always teased in grade school about my "itty bitty titties", but I'm glad I'm small -- I run, and it's nice not to have big ol' boobs banging away in front of me.

My boy is 12, and his voice has changed. This seems early, to me, but that may be a bit of denial on my part.
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Old 06-09-2004, 11:15 PM
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We would be walking around in a store, and she would "innocently" rub my back, and upon finding my back rather smooth and uninterrupted, would ask me why I wasn't wearing one.
My mum did that SAME thing!!
I was the same way when I started getting boobs. I hated the idea of wearing a bra. Didnt start wearing one til I was in 9th grade.

As for the early blooming thing, I remember when I was in 5th grade, my grandmother thoroughly embarrassed me when she loudly mentioned the fact that she'd noticed one of my classmates was getting "little boobies!" I went to a private school though, and we were all rather "sheltered," so most of us didn't even start paying attention to the whole sexiness factor til about 8th grade.
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Old 06-09-2004, 11:22 PM
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From the World Sexual Records website...

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The youngest mother whose history is authenticated is Lina Medina, who delivered a 6˝-pound boy by cesarean section in Lima, Peru in 1939, at an age of 5 years and 7 months. The child was raised as her brother and only discovered that Lina was his mother when he was 10.
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According to Ripley's Believe It or Not!—not the most reliable of sources, but lets try to keep an open mind—Mum-Zi, a member of Chief Akkiri's harem on the island of Calabar, Nigeria, became a mother at 8 years and 4 months. Her daughter also delivered a child at age 8, making Mum-Zi a grandmother—at age 17.
Of course, these were obviously unusual circumstances (if true) involving cases of "precocious puberty". Interesting website though, even if some of the stuff should be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyhoo...
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Old 06-10-2004, 01:11 AM
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Not that I believe it, but did they hang the bastard that impregnanted the 5 year old?
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Old 06-10-2004, 01:18 AM
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Ok now I know the World Sexual Records website is fake.

They mention some Scottish chick instead of Auntie Em in the Largest Vagina category.
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Old 06-10-2004, 01:46 AM
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