The Extinction of Customer Service.

My washer needs service. It is off balance and under an extended warranty.

Instead of calling Whirlpool, which is what I have done in the past to have helpful people to talk too who seem like they cared about my failing machine, I have to call the company that does the warranty work for them to contact Whirlpool so that Whirlpool may contact a local authorized service dealer, who then will contact me to set up an appointment.

How fucking stupid is this?

There are so many areas for screw ups it isn’t even funny.

Besides the fact that this warranty company does not let me talk to a human at all and I have tried. Oh…how I have tried. I’ve hit every different button option known and unknown to see if I will be defaulted into some poor unsuspecting slobs cubicle phone, all to no avail.

My only option is to either email or fax them. How much more impersonal can they get?

So, with the glory of email, I just sent off a scathing opionion of it all while requesting a service call. Yeah, not a good move, but I beleive strongly in respecting the motivatial factors of life.
I feel so old.

:::::Damn you kids…get off my lawn!:::::::::::::::::::::

The ultimate desire of all repairmen is to manage to cut off all contact with the individual. They want to have orders come it through email, pick up or repair the object without seeing anyone, and then come back.

On April 5th, I went to my local Restoration Hardware to buy a cabinet. They didn’t have the one I wanted, so they ordered it for me; said it would be “7-10 business days.”

I picked it up last Sunday.

Dealt with plenty of humans along the way, but never the same person twice. Even on three trips to the store I never saw anyone familiar.

May I add a gripe?

I had a breakdown yesterday and called AAA. I realize that your time emergencies aren’t their problems, but we were in a real time crunch. My husband had to get to a show he was playing (musician) and was running late due to the problem. I called at 3pm and there was supposed to be someone there by 4pm. 4pm came and went, so we called the garage that they said was coming. They have no service call logged for us. We call back AAA and the person lies and says “Oh, that shop said they would be over an hour, so we put in a call to this other shop”. Yeah right. Even if they did, thanks for calling to let us know. All we know is there’s supposed to be someone there within the hour and if there wasn’t going to be, we would arrange to leave the keys and do an unattended pick up (which we ended up having to do).

So we got all the way home (an hour drive) and the phone rings maybe 45 minutes later. I’d been getting worried at that point. The dispatcher says they can’t find my vehicle. I’m getting really worried because car thefts are very common in that area and we had to leave the keys in it for the tow truck. Finally I described it to her and she calls the guy on the two way radio. AAA had written
“1997 Ford, Maroon. Keys left in trunck” They did not put the model, despite the fact that she asked me for it 3 times.

When I said it was a car, we realized that the stupid bint had misspelled “trunk”, which the tow truck guy interpreted as “truck” and he’d been driving all over creation looking for a maroon Ford truck. Jesus wept. AND. AND. We were having it towed home to LINCOLNTON, NC. The AAA person actually put in a change and said that it was not going to Lincolnton, but to LEXINGTON. Hello?? Is this thing on??

I got my car finally, but damn- what a hassle! I’m actually going to lodge a complaint about it. The people we got on the phone were just really incompetent and I thought AAA was one of those companies that prides themselves on good service. Evidently not.

This is mr.stretch’s constant complaint–the lack of good customer service. A few places seem to still provide excellent service, but the majority of places seem to feel as if they don’t need my business. Of course, I’m happy to oblige them by finding alternate sources for things.

Unfortunately, I don’t have that option with my health insurance–there are only two plans available through my employer for my area and they both suck. The one I have has given me nothing but trouble on all kinds of issues, especially the mail order pharmacy. I have a problem with the concept of getting medications through the mail anyway, but they pissed me off so bad about my husband’s meds that we won’t even use them for his stuff anymore–we’d rather pay the extra bucks to use our local pharmacy and not interact with them. So, there shitty customer service is not only pissing me off, it costs me money. I hate to admit it, but I just can’t take the stress of dealing with them. They win.

On the other hand, I had a go round with the my health insurance vision clinic that was resolved to my satisfaction. I wrote a letter and in response received a call from the managing doctor. We discussed my concerns fully (we spent about 45 minutes on the phone). After she told me her plans to address the situation so it wouldn’t happen in the future, she offered to write me a referral to an out-of-network doctor so I wouldn’t have to come back to the clinic. I haven’t been back to the clinic for myself, but I’ve taken my husband several times and we haven’t had any problems. So that was a good outcome after some shitty service.

I write letters if I get crappy customer service, especially from someone I have to interact with. If I can’t vote with my wallet and take my business elsewhere, expect a letter if you treat me poorly.

That’s right Yakima DMV office–I’m looking at you! Screw around with me will ya? I wrote a letter to the director of drivers’ licensing explaining how her staff should know their rules and be able to cite if they are speaking from statute, implementing regulation, or administrative policy. For fuck’s sake, I’m a state employee, too–you should know better than to tell people they can’t do something without being able to tell them why! Especially when they are pointing to a DMV publication which seems to contradict everything you are saying!

In response I received a letter back telling me I was correct, with assurances that steps would be taken (I doubt many were). I also got a contrite phone call from the local office supervisor, with pleas not to write letters directly to HQ without trying to get resolution in the local office first. Excuse me? I did get “resolution” in the local office–I then wrote to the director explaining that while your “resolution” worked for me, it was still not in line with the law or the regs. Your resolution was an “exception” for me, a one-time only deal to get me out of your office–the ultimate resolution from my letter agreement that your office’s implementation of the rules & regs was incorrect, an explanation to you and your staff that you were applying the rules & regs incorrectly, and future citizens not being fucked over by your staff. My actions were the correct ones, even if you felt I was stepping on your toes. I even told you guys I was going to write the letter.

Lest you think me a complete bitch…I also write letters of thanks for good customer service. So the Ellensburg DMV was given massive thanks in a letter to the director. And individuals also receive thank you cards from me for providing good service. I try to balance my karma. :wink:

I try to only support places that have great customer service. when I am forced to deal with the Walking Dead that handle some companies, it irks me.

Ooh! I’ve got a goodie. A month ago, I started looking for a part that my truck needed and found an outfit in FL who offered a lifetime warranty, pro rebuilt/tested/yadda yadda for a good price. Rather than risking internet fuckup, I called Shitstain & Co. and verified all of the info-year, engine, auto trans with overdrive, feedback solenoid, and TPS. Goody. Master Card pays for it, and UPS drops of a nice looking rebuilt part four days later. Except it’s the wrong fucking part.

So I call Shitstain & Co. and talk to Mr. Shitstain in charge of core selection. They email me a call tag to return the wrong part, and promise to rebuild the proper core and ship it quick like a bunny. A week passes, no part. Again I call and ask for Mr. Shitstain. He’s out, would you like to talk to the other Mr. Shitstain? Sure. Where’smyfugginpart? Well, the core that we were going to rebuild isn’t the right one, so we need you to send us yours so we can rebuild that and return it. :smack: Number one, why didn’t Mr. Shitstain call me? Number two, that kills my vehicle for at least a week-not acceptable. Number three, can you guys count your balls twice and arrive at the same sum? Feeble mumblings emanate from the receiver of my phone. Can you take pictures of the linkage on yours and send them to us? Not just no, but fuckno. Your sole business is rebuilding these things, and I don’t own the only truck of this type ever made by Ford! They promise a call from Mr. Shitstain in the morning.

He calls, and has no valid answer as to his amnesia regarding our previous core discussion. He says that he can get the right core from a supplier in VA Beach, but there might be-I cut him off. There isn’t going to be any additional anything. You’re going to supply the fucking part as originally contracted, understand, Mr. Shitstain? OK. Good. That was the Thursday before Memorial Day.

On the 31st, I called Mr. Shitstain to follow up (see the pattern, kids?) and they had just gotten the part and would ship it on Thursday, next day air. OK. That means I should have gotten it today, right? Another call, and a UPS tracking number later, I key that into the UPS “find the fucker” page, and it’s supposed to arrive in in CA instead of PA sometime late next week. :eek: :mad: Another call, and both Mr. Shitstains are at lunch, no doubt working on that testicle summing query posed in second paragraph. The Mr. Shitstain-in-training, comes up with another tracking number which indicates it will be here on Tuesday.
Hmmm. Thursday+Overnight=Tuesday? Error. Illogical statement. Reset parameters and try again.

Fuck em and feed em fishheads. I’m waiting until the package arrives, and when all is fixed, I’ll file a complaint with my corporate card vendor. Having had to rent a vehicle because they’ve screwed around this long, it about evens out.

Oooh oooh, I have a story. This is actually an ongoing story . . . at least I hope not.

Well, about 2 months ago, I get a letter in the mail from an investment company telling me they have had trouble reaching me to give me a cash-out of my old 401k. I contact the company, am told what steps I need to take, they mail me a packet to fill out. I go through all the necessary obstacles (hey, it’s money I forgot I had!). I was told about a week after I mail the forms in to call them to confirm and request that a new check be issued.

No problems thus far.

Well, I call and speak to someone and I am told they are reissuing it and it should be to me in a week. Week passes, no check. I call to make sure they sent it out. Cuntface tells me “no, it’s still in proceesing, you should have it next week.” I ask her to call my cell and leave me a message that the check had gone through, not an hour later and I have a confirmation message on my phone. Another week passes, still no check.

I’m getting really mad now.

This leads to two days ago. I call to see what the hell is going on. I speak to this very nice guy and he apologizes and says it’s been on someone’s desk waiting on approval and that he will make sure it gets pushed through that night and be in the mail tomorrow (yesterday). I call last night because, frankly, at this point I just don’t trust them. The dude on the phone tells me it’s still waiting to be processed and hasn’t left yet. I start getting very short with him on the phone and I am losing my cool by this time.

The conversation went something like this:

asshole kid: well, we TRIED to send you the check back in March, but it got returned to us because of a wrong address
me: I know all that. I contacted your company, filled out the necessary forms, and jumped through all the hoops. I don’t understand what the holdup is.
ak: it takes a LONG time for the checks to get approved, there’s like . . . hundreds of thousands of people in your situation right now. It’s no problem putting money into your account, but it’s really difficult for us to take it out. It just takes a really long time.
me: can I speak to a manager?
ak: well, the only managers who can help you with this go home around 4 everyday, so you’ll have to call tomorrow.
me: tomorrow? you have NO managers there?
ak: nope.
me: look, do you understand how frustrating this is to me? I have been told for 3 WEEKS the check is in the mail and you have yet to send it out. Frankly, I think you all are a bunch of liars.
ak: ma’am, we’re NOT liars here.
me: it sure appears that way.
ak: well, I know we are NOT liars here and you MUST have meant something else. We don’t do that here.
me: ::silence, infuriated and in tears::
ak: we’re not purposely trying to make things difficult for you, but we are NOT liars!
me: I’ve heard enough. I will call first thing in the morning to escalate this issue and report you.
::click::

So I call this morning and try to explain everything. The nice guy I talk to says that the check was sent out yesterday morning. I told him that was not the case last evening so he puts me on hold to investigate. After a couple minutes, he comes back . . .

guy: the notes on the screen were wrong, I found your check we are sending it out in the mail today.
me: NO! You will overnight it to me.
guy: so let me get this straight, you want us to overnight the check to you on our expense?
me: absolutely, it was your company’s mistake, you need to correct it.
guy: okay, let me put you back on hold so I can get approval from a manager.

few minutes pass . . .

guy: I have approval and I will be sent out today to arrive on Monday.
me: thank you so much.

Later this afternoon, I decide to call and get a tracking number so I can watch for myself that it has gone out and to make sure I’m at home to get it. They take a message and the last guy I spoke to calls me back.

guy: I have good news and bad news, what do you want first.
me: ::groan:: bad news I guess.
guy: they made out the check in your maiden name and I can’t get it reprinted until Monday. The good news is we’re pushing it through for you and I need you to call Monday to get the tracking number. You should have it Tuesday.
me: thanks.

So, at this point I don’t know what to think. My DH is going ballistic over it because he doesn’t think I stand up for myself. The most I can do is wait until Monday and call first thing in the morning . . .

Damn customer service. The last guy seemed to be the ONLY helpful one out of the bunch thus far. We’ll see on Monday.

:mad:

How do you survive ? :eek: are you like self sufficient or something :wink:

I love this.

I had a similar incident. When I left my last job at the paper company (Feb 2003), I had to cash out my 401K. I didn’t want to, but I had some things I needed to take care of. I call the company that handled it and was told to fill out the forms and I should have my check in about 10-14 days. I fill out the forms and send them in. After about 3 weeks, I began to wonder where the check was. I called and was told that the plan had been changed (no one told us anything) and that I would have to wait until the end of the year I left the last job before I could get my money!!

I was severely pissed. I called the company and talked with the moron in charge (Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel had about 50 IQ points on this idiot). I asked him why we weren’t informed about this change. His answer? “I don’t know, I guess we overlooked it.”

I’m twenty years old and if I had a lawn I would be seriously pissed off if some kids I don’t even know decided they were gonna hang out there.
/hijack

Given your location, you should. :slight_smile:

Companies, especially publically-traded ones, will always have horrible customer service because the customer service department is always a cost to be minimized and never a source of income. The sales department makes the company money. They do this by lying about the products the company sells. The real job of customer service is not to help customers, which costs too much. Their real job is to break it to the customer that they’ve been lied to after the company has taken their money. Only so as not to offend sales, who make all the money, customer service is not allowed to actually tell the customers they’ve been lied to.

Just one of the funny things about capitalism, unless you happen to need customer service or have a job in customer service, in which case it’s a Kafkaesque nightmare.

Bad customer service is hardly confined to the service of tangible consumer products. Just wait until you have to deal with big finance.

For a living I’m a small town lawyer. Several month ago a local real estate agent wandered into my office with a problem. He had sold a house but the house was subject to a mortgage. Would I help have the mortgage released? Sure. Easily done, just call the bank, get the pay off, send them a check from the closing and have the bank send us a release to file in the land records. The work could be done with a phone call.

Problem. The mortgage had been granted to a local commercial loan outfit that had been absorbed by a bigger commercial loan outfit that had been merged with a still bigger outfit that had been swallowed by a Really Big Fish. So call the Big Fish, right. The real estate guy has a phone number he got from his customer. That number gets you a phone tree that will not tell you anything except give instructions on where to send the payment and how to get a new payment book.

So write them. Send letter off to Really Big Fish’s HQ in Texas saying we need a pay off, a per diem and a release. Three weeks later in comes a UPS envelope from Really Big Fish’s subsidiary in Maryland. It contains a release and a letter that says that the mortgage secured loan has an outstanding balance but is silent about what that balance might be. But there is hope, the letter gives a (trumpets and alarms off stage) a CUSTOMER SERVICE phone number and a TOLL FREE number at that.

Call the toll free customer service number. Get a very polite gentleman with a distinct South Asian accent. He can’t help me. He has no record of the borrower, the loan, the mortgage or the local outfit that the mortgage was given to or the Really Big Fish subsidiary that sent the release. He can however give me a phone number. IT IS THE NUMBER FOR THE NO DAMNED HELP CALLING TREE I STARTED WITH. Call customer service again. This time get a very nice lady with a distinct South Asian accent. She can’t help but can give me a phone number. IT IS THE SAME DAMNED NUMBER.

It is now 30 days post original request for help. I have a mortgage release but I don’t have the pay off. There is nothing to it but to write Really Big Fish in Texas and start the whole damn thing over again. I’ve told the real estate guy to tell his customer to quit paying on the theory that nonpayment might just attract Really Big Fish’s attention and induce it to reveal how much they are owed. That will take another month.

Damn, damn, damn.

You nailed it. I work in customer service myself, and the basic motto is “cut costs”. You can’t get truly competent people unless you pay a living wage. When you pay a low wage with no benefits, the only people you get are the foolish, the down-on-their-luck, the stupid, and the borderline unemployable. Try squeezing good customer service out of THAT pool.

The only way this changes is if people stop shopping for lowest price, and start shopping for good service. This does work – look at Nordstrom’s, for example.

Of course, no matter where you go, you will occasionally run into a jerk or an idiot that hasn’t yet been detected. Sadly, this is what makes it so hard to support companies with good service – there is always somebody screaming “they have terrible service” because of one bad employee, or even because they’re just an unreasonable customer or a scammer.

Buy Frigidaire. When I needed my stove repaired, their customer service (and their authorized repair shop) made it unbelievably easy. They even let me belatedly purchase an extended warranty ($41) so that I wouldn’t have to shell out for the cost of the part ($200+).

I’ve been pretty lucky lately otherwise, except for car mechanic issues that I don’t even want to start thinking about again.

I try not to throw this out too often, but I’m also convinced that part of the reason is the attitude of today’s young adults. Yes, I know, “It’s them damn youngun’s.” :slight_smile:

However, I happen to be a still relatively young adult myself. I simply know that my peers (and me, to an extent), seem to find retailers not backing their products and giving shitty service to be acceptable. My parents, and their friends, and the older acquaintances I have, think nothing of bringing a retailer to task for a faulty product or service, even something that simply is unsatisfactory. If someone doesn’t want to help, you make a (polite) scene - get the manager, etc.

People in the younger age range seem to find this embarassing to them personally, so they don’t do it. I’m amazed that the attitude today seems to be, “If you purchased a $400 electronics product that stops working 2 days past warranty, well, that sucks, you go buy another one.”

The small higher-end chain known for its customer service I work for was bought out by a publicly-traded overseas conglomerate last year. The changes are gradual, but horrifying: Not only have hours been cut across the board, but we’re no longer allowed to do special orders because “it takes too much time”. Ditto for a lot of the items we used to make. 50% of our bread/rolls were made from scratch. Now everything is shipped in daily from a commercial bakery that also supplies the store-brand bread over in Aisle 13 :eek:

Now, perhaps if my store was located in an area where customers cared only about low prices the changeover wouldn’t be such a pain. But we’re smack dab in Yuppieville and most customers are aghast that we no longer can kid-glove treat them the way we always have. Or, as one customer put it:

“Do you realize the reason why everyone shops here? It’s because you’re not [#1 supermarket conglomerate in the area] down the street where everything’s cookie-cutter! Now you’re going to become just like them and nobody in this town likes it!”

:rolleyes:

If you have any stock in BankNorth, I suggest you sell it.
Because any bank with such utter disdain for customer service cannot possible survive.

Yes, I have a story. At 11:00 last Thursday I walked into my local bank, a bank I have happily used for nearly 20 years. They pay competitive rates, they are convenient, they give great customer service.

Whoops. That’s what they were like. Unfortunately, that was when they were a little group of local banks. But last fall they got gulped down by BankNorth, and this past month the local branch has been changed over to doing things “the BankNorth way.”

Back to story. The reason I went to the bank today was that a CD had come due, and I wanted to withdraw the money. Things start out well. This is a very small branch, located in a colonial era house. There is a tiny lobby with an ATM, and five feet past that is a small area with two desks where ‘customer service’ reps sit. When I enter, both desks have reps sitting behind them. There is no paperwork on either desk, and they are chitchatting.

Nothing wrong there, for as soon as I approach the desk area one of them greets me, and asks what she could do for me. I explain, hand over the CD records, and she leaves to go into area behind the main counter where the cashiers hang out. Five minutes later she returns, and tells me she’d given the CD to one of the cashiers, because only cashiers can cut checks. Fine.

She offers to help me with anything else. Now, in fact I’d planned to take care of opening my 2005 IRA today, using some of the money from the CD. But while she’d been in the cashier pit (I don’t know what it’s really called, so I’m going to call it that) I’d noticed the printed sheet of their current CD rates.

OMG. Now, one of the reasons I’d first started to bank there is that their rates are pretty good. There’s only one other bank in town, Fleet. Every time I’d compared rates, the little local bank had rates AT LEAST a half point better than Fleet, term for term. Well, Fleet is no more either, having been devoured by Bank of America at just about the same time as BankNorth took over my little bank. So I’d looked up the BoA rates on the web and printed them that morning, so I could gloat at how much better I would be doing at ‘my little bank.’ Guess what? For every comparable term, the rate BankNorth is offering is between .8 to 1.2 pts LOWER than Bank of America.

Well…I guess they have to get the money to reprint all the stationery somewhere, eh?

So when the service rep offers, I explain that I had intended to buy an IRA CD that day, until I had seen the rates. She basically says nothing in reply. There is nothing to say, really. “Yeah, our rates our crappy but we have really nicely printed documents”?

So then we sit there, looking at each other. Time passes. Nothing to do with my business there, but every two or three minutes some other customer approaches apologetically and reports that the ATM isn’t working. Each time one of the Service reps ‘apologizes’ with “Yes, it’s been out of service all morning, something about the computer. Sorry.” And time passes. Five minutes. Ten minutes.

When the fourth would-be ATM user gets sent away, I ask her why didn’t they put an ‘out of service’ sign on the ATM. She says, “That’s not the way BankNorth does it.” “Why not?” I ask, after a suitable pause for befuddlement. “If we put up a sign it was out of order, then customers would stop trying to use it. And then we wouldn’t know when it started working again.” And she says this as if explaining something obvious to a child.

Yes, that makes sense. Apparently BankNorth is making the entire branch self-service. Instead of one of their employees having to put up a sign, and then, oh horrors, walk five feet to check on the ATM every hour or half hour, they allow customer after customer to waste their time trying to use a non-functional ATM. Sweet. It does sort of put the kibosh on further conversation between me and rep, though.

Time continues to pass. 15 minutes now since the rep handed off my paperwork. I’m starting to check my watch, because I have to be back at the office by noon. At 11:25 I ask the rep if she could go see if there is a problem. I mean, how long does it take to type out a check?? She goes off.

I wait.

I wait.

At 11:35 she comes back, with a half-eaten piece of cake on a little plate. “Sorry for the delay,” she said, “One of the tellers is retiring so they’re having a party.”

!!! I stare at her. She says nothing. “Do you mean the entire bank has shut down right before the noon rush hour?”

“Uh.” Well, no, she allows. There’s still two tellers working, but they’re doing their best to handle all the people in line at the regular windows and so can’t be spared to handle my request.

I point out that I have now been waiting for nearly 40 minutes to get a single check written.

She says Sorry, only the cashiers can cut checks, but once they’re done with the cake…

I ask, through my teeth, if maybe the Bank President, whom I can see through the glass window of his office at the other end of the room, is qualified to cut a check?

She stares at me.

Why don’t you go ask him? I say.

She flounces off. More time passes. Finally, at 11:55 she returns with my check.
Yes, almost a full hour to get a simple check cut.
And I was made to feel like a horrible impediment for DARING to ask that the employees of a bank perform a simple, standard banking task during ordinary business hours.

Not to mention the 12+ patrons who got to perform ‘status checks’ on the ATM while I was there…
Stellar customer service, eh? Oh, well, they’ll probably get merged out of existence next week.
Oh, and a week or so ago I got a notice that they are changing their name. No long BankNorth, now it will be “T. D. BankNorth.”

Hmmm. All new stationery again. Look for their interest rates to drop again.