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Old 09-07-2005, 12:31 PM
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If only they could have made this a good movie

What movies have you seen that had potential but fell flat? Some movies have a cool premise but just don't quite make it. My picks are:

The Cell - With how pretty it was to look at if they could have ditched everyone but Donofrio and given it a large rewrite I think it really could have been something.

Thirteen Ghosts - New cast with the exception of Tony Shaloub and a new script that focused mostly on each ghosts' backstory rather than turn it into the family oriented tale it ended up being.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:08 PM
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Sphere - A great cast, a great premise, an awful movie

Last Action Hero - Actually was pretty good, but could have been absolutely fantastic. I was thinking of this because I had come up with a really neat premise in which a bad guy is pursuing a good guy through various different movie genres, and in each genre the conventions of the genre need to be respected, and the good guys finally win by ending up in a kid's movie, because everyone knows that in kid's movies, the good guys always win, and then I realized that that movie had sort of already been made
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:14 PM
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If only they could have made this a good movie. It would have been a great thread, if only it had been posted in Cafe Society where it belonged.

We'll try it there.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:25 PM
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Some movies have a cool premise but just don't quite make it.
That is what is wrong with many movies. My opinion is that it happens more with comedies, but maybe not. The problem is that having a good premise is only the beginning, after that someone has to put some meat on its bones and then somehow come up with a good ending. A really, really good ending can save a not so great movie, but a good premise without a good ending is doomed.

This may be my first post in the Cafe. Where's the coffee?
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:26 PM
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Day of the Triffids. The novel is a blueprint for a great SF film. One day, they may decide to make it again and do it right.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:26 PM
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Stay Tuned with John Ritter and Pam Dawber. It was kind of dumb, but the idea of a 666 channel cable system as hell was amusing.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:27 PM
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You know, the whole concept of how young Anakin Skywalker rose through the Jedi ranks and became Darth Vader would make a pretty good movie, wouldn't it?

It's too bad George Lucas never went and did any prequels. *sticks fingers in ears and hums 'la-la-la-la'*
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:35 PM
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I, Robot and Starship Troopers -- if only they had actually made an attempt to film the book, with the money and special effects it coulda been something. (I still think they shoulda gone weith Harlan Ellison's script)


The Puppet Masters -- I understand there was a titanic battle to get it close to the book, and for what they did manage I'm grateful. But they should have more respect for audience intelligence and filmed it more faithfully. It's not my slavish devotion to the book -- it's the fact that the compromised script doesn't work.


the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones -- need I say more?


Son of Kong -- Don't demand a sequel in a fraction of the time and at a fraction of the budget of a classic original.


This Island Earth -- Don't throw out the bulk of the book and substitute an idiotic script based on SF magazine covers because you think the audience is too dumb or too sensitive to "get it". And at least have the decency to explain the title!



Diamonds are Forever -- It's part of a big budget, money-making series. When you cut corners and the plot doesn't make sense, people do get confused.



Man of la Mancha -- I don't care if they're not Big Names. Get actors who can actually sing for a big-budget musical!
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:49 PM
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I, Robot and Starship Troopers -- if only they had actually made an attempt to film the book, with the money and special effects it coulda been something.
That's how I feel about Jurassic Park. Sure, the book wasn't exactly a masterpiece itself, but it was a good deal more interesting than the kiddie-fied movie that Spielberg created.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:56 PM
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Daredevil. If they had adapted Frank Miller's Daredevil: The Man Without Fear 5-issue miniseries, a retelling/updating of Daredevil's origin story (which included Elektra, Stick, and the Kingpin), it could have been one of the best superhero movies ever. I also would have cast Ben Affleck's buddy Matt Damon in the lead role, and given Bullseye some kind of mask, rather than his stupid look of being bald with the target tattoo on his forehead.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Not as horrible a movie as many made it seem, but it should have been one of the greatest things ever, a steampunk action-adventure movie starring the greatest heroes of Victorian literature. Again, stricter adherence to the miniseries by Alan Moore would have helped, and shoehorning in new characters and plot points only hurt this movie.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:02 PM
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Diamonds are Forever -- It's part of a big budget, money-making series. When you cut corners and the plot doesn't make sense, people do get confused.
There was a plot? All I can remember is Jill St John's ass cleavage.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:07 PM
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I debated myself for a good five minutes over this and still lost! Well at least the first moved topic is out of the way.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:09 PM
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The first one (2001: A Space Odyssey) was good, but the books (all four of them) were amazing. There was always something about 2010 that left me unsatisfied.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:10 PM
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Daredevil. If they had adapted Frank Miller's Daredevil: The Man Without Fear 5-issue miniseries, a retelling/updating of Daredevil's origin story (which included Elektra, Stick, and the Kingpin), it could have been one of the best superhero movies ever.

Agreed. The only scene in the movie that I actually enjoyed was him taking the pain pills.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:49 PM
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Daredevil. [...]and given Bullseye some kind of mask, rather than his stupid look of being bald with the target tattoo on his forehead.
Maybe, I'm no fan of the comic books. But casting Colin Farrell and putting a mask on him would be a crime against nature. I'm just sayin'.

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League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Not as horrible a movie as many made it seem, but it should have been one of the greatest things ever
Agreed that the source material could've made a great movie, but disagree that it's not horrible. It was loathesome. I think an even better could be made of the second volume, though -- War of the Worlds and the first League make that pretty much impossible now, but the potential is awesome.

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Constantine: Surprisingly, the movie wasn't the most horrible thing I'd ever seen; it was just extremely mediocre. But it wasn't a good movie version of the comic book, and the source material from the comic could've been awesome.

The Avengers: One of the worst movies I've ever seen, not just because it was so bad, but because it was such a waste of source material. No one involved quite understood the original show and what made it so cool, and everybody worked from their own interpretations.

You could tell that Uma Thurman was trying to make it sexy and campy, but she's just not good enough an actress without super-strong direction, so she just went over the top. Ralph Fiennes thought it was a real spy movie, apparently, and he was just boring and stupid. And I don't think Sean Connery knew what was going on. Plus, the script had moments where you could tell that bits of what made the show cool came up in writing meetings, but it never gelled into an Avengers movie.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:57 PM
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Lost in Space—It should have been cheesy high camp, which is what made the TV series so charming. Paul "Pee Wee" Reubens, for example, would have been the perfect Dr. Smith.

Far from Heaven—Not a bad movie at all, but Sharon Stone should have played the lead. She has the brittle glamour that Julianne Moore couldn't quite pull off.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:58 PM
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Recently, The Brothers Grimm.
From the distant past, Rasie the Titanic.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:59 PM
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I thought Se7en was an extraordinarily good concept that gave way to shock value and cheap thrills.

And while I haven't seen it, I heard Van Helsing fell prey to the same thing.
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:01 PM
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Starship Troopers -- if only they had actually made an attempt to film the book, with the money and special effects it coulda been something.
Absafreakinglutely. If they'd stuck to the plot of the book, which was very cinematic with the in media res and such, and given them power armor? Movie would've kicked ass.

For me, the movie that failed the most was Underworld. Vampires, werewolves, and high tech weaponry, what's not to like? Well, the entire movie, for one.
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
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Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow - I was practically salivating for this film, a slick and stylish - almost steampunkish flick that was going to give us robots and air battles over a noirish Dick Tracy-looking city. Instead, that was about 10 mins of the film, with the rest of it being a boring jungle adventure on foot. WHY?
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
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Marathon Man
was recently on TV and I didn't think it was very good. Too slowly paced. Too bad it didn't get a better treatment.
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:36 PM
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Constantine: Surprisingly, the movie wasn't the most horrible thing I'd ever seen; it was just extremely mediocre. But it wasn't a good movie version of the comic book, and the source material from the comic could've been awesome.
Good call. I was entertained by Constantine, and I loved the "horror-noir" look and feel of it, especially in the first act. I was annoyed that they made him an American, but I could accept moving the setting to L.A. due to the history of hard-boiled detective heroes in Southern California, like Chandler's Phillip Marlowe, and Jake Gittes in Chinatown. As it is, you have another dark, conflicted P.I. who handles supernatural horror in L.A. in the Angel series, and that show could have been a template for the makers of Constantine.

I had the feeling that Keanu Reeves was trying his absolute best to be dark and gritty, a "hard man" with a shady past. I definitely felt he was better in that role than in The Matrix or Speed, where he played other action heroes, and I heard he even read all the Hellblazer TPBs in preparation for his role. But he was just a poor choice, when it comes down to it. My top casting choice for John Constantine was -- and is still -- Daniel Craig from Layer Cake, but I think Paul Bettany, Ewan McGregor, James Marsters, Jason Statham, or if they were dead-set against a Constantine with a British accent, Kiefer Sutherland, would all have been great in the role.

Van Helsing could have been awesome if it was a lot scarier, or conversely, a lot more of a fun buddy comedy/action movie like a period version of Ghostbusters. As it was, it couldn't make up its mind which of those it wanted to be, and ended up as a horrible mishmash.

Sky Captain would have been the. Best. Movie. Ever. if it played with the classic serial movie formula, updating the old cliches and inserting a more complex story and more twists and turns. As it was, it felt like watching a mediocre '40s serial with gorgeous cinematography and special effects, rather than what it could have been: an exhilarating movie that embraced the look and feel of the past, but rooted firmly in the present. Raiders of the Lost Ark did what I consider the perfect job in bringing the thrills and chills of an adventure serial into a more modern context, while remaining a period piece. I just wish Sky Captain had done for dogfights, robots, and 1930s-style death rays what Indiana Jones did for its more earthbound pulp adventure genre. A better script could have made all the difference.
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:01 PM
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When I read the OP, the first movie I thought of was Dune. It was such a disappointment, and not because I set my expectations too high. They had all that money, why, oh why, did they monkey with the story for no real good reason that I could see? The "weirding way" was a weapon? The stillsuits were open-faced? Baron Harkonnen flew around in an suspensor belt? The prince was a grown man? It was like they missed the whole point. What a wasted opportunity.

Oh, but Sting was, indeed, mad cool.
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:16 PM
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When I read the OP, the first movie I thought of was Dune. It was such a disappointment, and not because I set my expectations too high. They had all that money, why, oh why, did they monkey with the story for no real good reason that I could see? The "weirding way" was a weapon? The stillsuits were open-faced? Baron Harkonnen flew around in an suspensor belt? The prince was a grown man? It was like they missed the whole point. What a wasted opportunity.

Oh, but Sting was, indeed, mad cool.
But the Baron did have a suspensor belt...
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:17 PM
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My picks:
Constantine: Surprisingly, the movie wasn't the most horrible thing I'd ever seen; it was just extremely mediocre. But it wasn't a good movie version of the comic book, and the source material from the comic could've been awesome.

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This would be my pick as well. If the rest of the movie had been anywhere near as entertaining as the first five minutes it would have been a pretty kick-ass movie. Or even if they'd spent a little more time in hell--as it was, they gave us a couple of tantalizing images and left the rest up to our imagination.
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:35 PM
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When I read the OP, the first movie I thought of was Dune. It was such a disappointment, and not because I set my expectations too high. They had all that money, why, oh why, did they monkey with the story for no real good reason that I could see? The "weirding way" was a weapon? The stillsuits were open-faced? Baron Harkonnen flew around in an suspensor belt? The prince was a grown man? It was like they missed the whole point. What a wasted opportunity.

Oh, but Sting was, indeed, mad cool.
I can't quite put into words how I would describe the style of the movie, but it just REEKS of the 80s. You know the feel I'm talking about; that grungy, industrial, electro-punk mishmash. Bleh.

Lynch got the atmosphere of the story completely wrong. Awful movie of a book I adore.
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:51 PM
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But the Baron did have a suspensor belt...
But from what I remember, it was to hold up his gargantuan amount of fat; he didn't fly around with it.

IIRC
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Old 09-07-2005, 04:53 PM
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Lynch got the atmosphere of the story completely wrong. Awful movie of a book I adore.
I wonder if that's why he got his name removed from the movie. I never really heard.
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Old 09-07-2005, 05:16 PM
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I can't quite put into words how I would describe the style of the movie, but it just REEKS of the 80s. You know the feel I'm talking about; that grungy, industrial, electro-punk mishmash. Bleh.

Lynch got the atmosphere of the story completely wrong. Awful movie of a book I adore.
That's wierd. I've always felt the look of the movie was one of the best things about it. Kind of a neo-renissance look that seemed to work nicely with the whole feudal society. Conversly,it was the one thing I didn't like about the miniseries, because there it felt far too much like star trek.
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Old 09-08-2005, 08:28 PM
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Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events. The filmmakers should have used Daniel Handler's original script, cast Tim Curry instead of Jim Carrey and taken out all the cutesy/slapsticky stuff involving Sunny.
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Old 09-08-2005, 10:43 PM
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This summer's Fantastic Four. I heard rumors a few years ago that Peyton Reed, who directed Down with Love, was next going to do FF as a '60s period piece.

That would've been awesome.

Also, separate Dr. Doom's origin from the FF's, don't turn Reed into a highly educated idiot, and either CGI the Thing or figure out a way not to make Michael Chiklis' performance embarrassing. Adapt the origin story plus a good go-round with Dr. Doom (probably not the first Blackbeard-related encounter) and it would be really, really good.

And much as I enjoy watching Jessica Alba, she's no Sue Storm.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:13 AM
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Bonfire of the Vanities. They started with this totally awesome book with lots of insights about New York culture and politics in the '80s, and then they made the movie like they were trying to make it a self-parody that shat on everything worthwhile about the story.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:20 AM
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Sphere - A great cast, a great premise, an awful movie
Yes, it was an awful movie, but have you read the book? Stinky. The beginning was very gripping, and then it kept escalating, and then it just falls apart and becomes completely stupid. I'm surprised they got a movie out of it at all. Best course of action for that would've been to just nuke it from orbit.
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:03 AM
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How about Hannibal? Not that I don't think the film was kinda cool, but it just seemed to have these little roadblocks that stopped it going on to being a classic. And a stupid, sucky ending.

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Old 09-09-2005, 05:00 AM
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Strange Days, which wasn't a bad movie, but needed a bit of ruthless editing so that the story could be followed in one viewing and half the dialogue didn't consist of speeches.

The cinematic release of The Abyss, which again wasn't a bad movie, indeed it contains some of my favourite movie bits! But the Special Edition version was the movie they had planned to make, and was the movie they shot. The cinematic release was practically invented during the edit. It had a very different emphasis - it was about people in a crisis and their interactions and relationships, as opposed to a "first contact" sci-fi during a tense part of the Cold War. And it was an improvement, but some scenes should have been re-shot so it made more sense.

Tomb Raider. I had low expectations, but even so. I'd been waiting for a movie that recaptured the spirit of the Indiana Jones trilogy, and still am. Additionally, there's very few action movies with a female lead that are any good yet weren't made in Hong Kong. This was an opportunity to do both, but they didn't even try. I was disappointed even taking into account that I was expecting to be disappointed.

The Secret of NIMH. The book rocked. The movie had the potential to be dark and intense, with strong characters. Think Watership Down. Instead, mass-market, cute widdle animals crap.
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:47 AM
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Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events. The filmmakers should have used Daniel Handler's original script, cast Tim Curry instead of Jim Carrey and taken out all the cutesy/slapsticky stuff involving Sunny.
How was the original script different? I admit I haven't read the books, but I saw the movie recently and loved it, in spite of Carrey's mugging.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:05 AM
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I wonder if that's why he got his name removed from the movie. I never really heard.
Actually, he had his name removed from the expanded TV-movie version, not the theatrical release.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:14 AM
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This summer's Fantastic Four. I heard rumors a few years ago that Peyton Reed, who directed Down with Love, was next going to do FF as a '60s period piece.

That would've been awesome.
I was hoping for that too. I didn't see Fantastic Four (waiting to rent it), but Down With Love is awesome, and visually perfect for capturing that optimistic era that the FF seems to fit best in.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:37 AM
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I was hoping for that too. I didn't see Fantastic Four (waiting to rent it), but Down With Love is awesome, and visually perfect for capturing that optimistic era that the FF seems to fit best in.
Ah, see I hated Down with Love—Renee Zellweger is completely graceless and gawky, and Ewan MacGregor was slumming, and winking at the camera. Plus, the clothes were c1960 and the hair was c1967—not a huge deal, but irritating to me. I thought David Hyde Pierce as "Tony Randall" and Tony Randall himself were the only bearable parts of that film.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:40 AM
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Oh, and while I'm at it . . . There was soooo much wrong with De-Lovely, but mostly the casting: Kevin Kline 20 years too old for Cole Porter, and Ashley Judd 20 years too young for his wife, Linda. Plus, neither of therm could sing, and they were physically wrong for the roles, too. Nathan Lane and Christine Baranski might have made it a bearable film.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:48 AM
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My first thought was Robin Hood: Men In Tights. I soooo could have made that a good movie. The first thing to do would be totally re-cast it. Dave Chappelle and Megan Cavanaugh get fired, Richard Lewis gets run over by a steamroller. Then I would tighten the action, drop all the "Let's telegraph every stupid joke I've done 80 times before" that Brooks filled the movie with, and actually make it funny!
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Old 09-09-2005, 10:33 AM
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Actually, they already have. The problem is, it's rarely seen, and hasn't been released theatrically or on video AFAIK. It was done from Vritish TV, and has run on PBS here in the states. This new version is very faithful to Wyndham's book:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081850/
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:56 PM
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My first thought was Robin Hood: Men In Tights. I soooo could have made that a good movie. The first thing to do would be totally re-cast it. Dave Chappelle and Megan Cavanaugh get fired, Richard Lewis gets run over by a steamroller. Then I would tighten the action, drop all the "Let's telegraph every stupid joke I've done 80 times before" that Brooks filled the movie with, and actually make it funny!
The really frustrating thing is that back in 1975, Mel Brooks did a sitcom about Robin Hood -- When Things Were Rotten, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072585/ -- that was actually funny! What's Mel's problem? Why have his powers degenerated so pathetically? Alzheimer's?
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:41 AM
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Judge Dredd: not even a bad film, let alone a terrible one, but it just wasn't Judge Dredd, just some amiably forgettable futuristic actioner. It had some nice touches: moving the penal colony from Titan to Aspen was actually pretty funny, Mean Angel and Hammerstein were very well realised, and the setting looked like Mega City One: some very nice production design there.

But the main character...wasn't Judge Dredd: the writers had no idea who the character was supposed to be, and the casting didn't help matters: he was just every grumpy cop with a soft heart, a "funny" sidekick and a quirky catchphrase from every other Stallone movie you've ever seen.

The Judge Dredd of the comics is a bastard, a quasi-facist faceless avatar of justice who is his job: when he says "I am the Law", he means it quite literally - it's his raison d'etre, and he doesn't exist outside it - no friends, no family, no sidekicks. He judges people. That's all he does.

But the grimness is leavened by the fact that he's the straight man who doesn't get the gag: he's humourlessly policing a giant madhouse, in which everyone is unemployed, bored and stupid, and so amuse themselves by behaving as absurdly as possible while Dredd labours vainly to impose order on this chaos.

The one director I think of who could capture that is Terry Gilliam: there's a lot of that very English absurdist black humour in both Brazil and Dredd, and the urban dystopias aren't too far removed: of course, no studio was going to give Gilliam a huge amount of money to make a grimly ridiculous film of a comic most people had never heard of, and so they neutered it instead. Inevitable, really.

Oh yeah, and Bruce Campbell should have played Dredd: he's got the perfect chin for the part, and he would have got the joke. Bruce Campbell in a Terry Gilliam film of Judge Dredd: fanboy heaven.
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Seem to be more than a couple Keanu Reeves films listed here. Huh. Wonder why?

I'll add another of his:

Johnny Mnemonic. I remember reading the book, finishing it, putting it down, and saying, "Wow."

I remember watching the movie, finishing it, walking out of the theater, and saying, "That sucked."

Dungeons and Dragons. Call me a fanboy, but I was so hoping for a good movie and not that mindless drivel and testament to bad acting. See, in my mind, if it had been successful, producers would see that and flood the market with other sword and sorcery movies, perhaps even creating a franchise under the D&D banner. In the end, I was hoping it would culminate in Michael Moorcock's Elric Saga finally being brought to the big screen (especially after hearing Warner Bros optioned the story). But alas, the movie was a colossal flop and nary a fantasy swords and sorcery movie has come out since.

I remember thinking, well, it's got Jeremy Irons in it, that's a good sign, right? Pfshaw!
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Less Than Zero and Rules of Attraction could've been amazing movies if they'd been based on the actual books upon which they were supposedly based and cast with people who both were able to act and chose to.

The success of the TV version of Buffy the Vampire Slayer shows that the theatrical version could have been good.
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Less Than Zero and Rules of Attraction could've been amazing movies if they'd been based on the actual books upon which they were supposedly based and cast with people who both were able to act and chose to.
But Bret Easton Ellis' "novel" Less Than Zero had no plot. And precious little characterization. What director would be up to the challenge of making that work on the big screen?
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But Bret Easton Ellis' "novel" Less Than Zero had no plot. And precious little characterization. What director would be up to the challenge of making that work on the big screen?
Andy Warhol? David Lynch? Hell, Paul Bartell's take on it would've at least been funny. Anything other than the deadly earnest treatment given it by...Marek Kanievska?!

And I disagree that LTZ had no plot. It didn't have much of one but it was there, and the movie managed to get every point of it wrong. And the casting was fairly awful, simply because many of those cast couldn't act wet in a rainstorm (I'm looking at you, Andrew McCarthy and Jami Gertz!) and those that could for the most part decided not to (Robert Downey Jr? James Spader? You know who you are!). I mean for god's sake, if you can't get a believable performance out of Robert Downey Jr and a drug addict then you're just not trying.
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Wild Wild West, and in general, any movie made from a TV show by people who have NO IDEA why the TV show was good in the first place. I've never been a big fan of Will Smith, he plays his action roles much too broadly, with traces of latter-day Stepin' Fetchit that everyone overlooks because he gets top billing and loads of cash. The guy trying to talk the crowd out of lynching him by deconstructing the word 'redneck' is not James West. And that's before we even see the 80-foot-long mechanical spider.

Mission: Impossible did the same thing. The series was all about the team; the technical and personal complexity that they'd have to use to steal the oil contracts from the heavily guarded safe of some South American dictator or something. They turned it into a lone-wolf star vehicle for Tom Cruise, with a ridiculous action-movie climax. And they completely, utterly, totally, and in every other way, butchered the theme song.

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow could have been great. And my problem isn't that there was too much jungle. I didn't like the way Gwyneth Paltrow played Polly. She was clearly supposed to be the fast-talking, pull-no-punches, confident Girl Reporter; Paltrow played her way too wishy-washy. Rosalind Russell would have never second-guessed herself about keeping and hiding those three vials. Secondly, the action scenes fell prey to the trend of hyper-kinetic motion at the expense of everything else. Seriously guys, don't turn a dogfight into a swarm of gnats; I don't give a fuck about a gnat. Gorgeous movie to look at, though; I really liked it the first time I saw it, on a big screen in a foreign language.
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When a buddy described the premise, I thought cool. Not anything new, but done well this could be good.

Of course for it to have been good we would have had to have...let's see...main characters acting consistently, or as if they had a frickin' brain!!!! Example (one of thousands) I'm so worried for my daughter's safety, I've holed up in our apartment building and stood guard with riot gear at the top of the steps...what's the first thing I do when I leave the safety of this arrangement...hmmm, let's see, drive through a dark tunnel where there are likely to be zombies, and drive over parked traffic in my cab as if it were a monster truck. Come on.
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