To Hell with the House!

The U.S. House of Representatives wants to turn me into a felon. Why? Because I “help” my wife. I pay the rent (she pays the utilities and cell phones). I do the dishes and cook when she has to stay late at her job. I pay for her visits to the clinic. When she has a sore throat, I make her tea. When she feels sad, I read her a funny story.

And because I do this, the House wants to make me a felon, because my wife came into the U.S. illegally. When I met her, I didn’t know any thing about how she got into the U.S. But we fell in love, and when I proposed to her, she said “no.” I asked her “why,” and she revealed that she was “illegal.” I said I didn’t care; I thought it could be worked out later: maybe pay a fine, or spend some time in Mexico, or whatever. I never thought that by marrying her, and mutually supporting a household, I’d later become a felon.

I know there are those out there that will say: “But she came here illegally—she’s a criminal!” And I say to you: “FUCK YOU! She’s my wife, I love her, and I don’t care how she got here.” And I would further ask, “How has she hurt anyone in this country?”

–She has never utilized any public service, except for going to the park or the beach. She has never gone to a school, public hospital or clinic. She couldn’t (even if she wanted to) take advantage of any other social service. (Well, maybe WIC, but our baby died in uterus. And I paid for the abortion of the dead fetus.)

–She works (more than) full-time. She’s a nanny, and her employer is a rich family on the Westside. They adore her, because their two children relate to her even better than to their own mother (who is clueless with regard to children, it seems). She has me program the VCR to record Teletubbies and Barney and whatnot, so she can keep them engaged. Their parents are especially attached to my wife as a nanny to their children because she is making them bilingual. When they get into middle school, they’ll be fluent in Spanish—speaking and writing, because she teaches them how to write in Spanish.

–She apparently is paying (wage) taxes. She has a tax number, which nevertheless doesn’t serve as a real Social Security number. (Her employer says she really makes ten dollars an hour, rather than nine, because he deducts taxes.) I don’t know what that is all about, but I know that she can’t get a license to drive my car, because that number is not a “real” SSN.

–She definitely pays a lot of sales taxes, and she doesn’t send any of her earnings back to Mexico. She came here because her mother (who is now a legal resident) came here, and left her as a child with an aunt, in Mexico City. That aunt died. She saw no realistic prospect for independent employment, and wanted to be here with her mother and brother. So she came here.

–Despite all of this, she cannot become a legal resident, because she came here illegally.

And she’s my wife GODDAMN IT, and I’m a born in CA Unitedstatesian. If you want me to be a felon for caring for and protecting my own wife, then TO HELL WITH YOU!
I know that the House bill will probably not be passed as is, and that the Senate bill might actually give her the possibility of becoming legal. But I say to hell with you to all the knee-jerks and politicos who just can’t understand how complicated this whole issue is.

Invest in a good immigration lawyer. There has got to be a way to resolve this. My former wife came to this country on a tourist visa. She stayed longer than the visa allowed, therefore becoming illegal. It took us seven years but she eventually got a green card and is now a lawfull permanent resident.

We’ve already done this. Because her mother put her name on some kind of petition some seven or eight years ago, she CANNOT gain residency by way of her marriage to me. The immigration lawyer made that very clear.

Get a second opinion. As a lawyer (but not your lawyer) I can tell you that I get many clients that have been told a complet load of bullshit from a previous attorney.

The above is not meant to be taken as legal advice.

So let me get this straight. Your wife breaks the law, you learn about this and help, and now you’re upset because why? Because it is against the law in the first place? Because love should override laws?

Let me respond for Gustave. Fuck off you mealymouth dick for brains.

Seven, maybe he’s mad because a US citizen should not be forced to leave the country in order to live with his wife. Or perhaps because marrying the person you love should not be a felony.

IAAL but I am not your lawyer and I don’t handle immigration law. However, my suggestion to you as someone who married a non-resident alien is as follows:

I would definitely get a second opinion. I know a few immigration lawyers and I know a guy who handles deportations exclusively and from what they say, the majority of immigration lawyers just aren’t that good. Hell to hear my colleague talk, the vast majority of lawyers who run petition practices are a incredibly incompetent because they know that they can get away with it.

I would check Martindale Hubbell and try to find someone in your area who handles immigration work who is AV rated.

I don’t understand this part. Where did she get this “tax number” from? Is it in someone else’s name? Is she working under her own name (that is, the employer knows what her actual name is) but he is withholding taxes and sending them in under another person’s name? What do you mean when you say, “Her employer says she really makes ten dollars an hour, rather than nine, because he deducts taxes”? What was discussed when she took the job?

Aside from everything else, it’s your responsibility and your wife’s to make sure that you do know what that is all about.

I would also get another immigration lawyer.

Get another lawyer. NOW.

She qualifies for adjustment of status through her marriage to you. There may be some issues, but they should all be workable. Go to the AILA and find a good lawyer in your neck of the woods.

Well, the if the House of Reps has earned your enmity, perhaps the Senate might be a source of hope. They’ve apparently reached a compromise on legislation which might very well allow your wife to stay in the country and become a legal citizen without too much trouble. I hope it works out for you.

Hey now. That was uncalled for. Really. Back your furious little train up.

The point is valid. If you want to get down to the gnat’s ass on this, a law is a law, and just because you love someone, that does not take away the fact that they’ve broken the law. He knew the job was dangerous when he took it.

I feel for him that his love alone cannot extract her for the possible trouble she’s in, and has involved him in. That said, what about the (at last estimate by Jim Gilchrist on the radio day before yesterday) 15 to 30k other people that are walking DAILY into this country with no education, no meaningful I.D., and nobody to answer to? Do we just give everyone a pass? Do you live in the Southwest U.S.? I realize there are other states with a problem, but the brute force of it seems to reside in California, Arizona, and Texas. I don’t have kids, so I won’t speak to any trouble in the schools, as I haven’t seen it first hand. But have you been to a hospital in the last ten years?

Mexico refuses to fix it’s problems, and has decided that we will do it for them. What do you tell the U.S. citizen with a low skill set that they cannot have a job for 6.75, because it’s cheaper to hire someone who came here against the law? How can you blame them? Of course they’re going to come here. Their standard of living in their country pales in comparison to the worst condition here.

What I can’t abide is that this seems to be if not the only, one of the very FEW countries where if you are against illegal immigration, you are vilified, and that obviously means you are a racist and have forgotten that this country was founded on immigrants. No, sir. I’ve got no beef with anyone coming here legally. I think it makes us richer. Anyone who has paid their dues and waited and hoped and met the requirements to become naturalized has my admiration. My own grandparents were immigrants. The concept is not some nebulous intangible set of circumstances that could never and has never applied in my family. The idea that we OWE anyone a free pass just for getting here makes my blood boil, though…and I’ve gotten off the subject…

I’m not much of a debater, which is why you never see me in GD or political threads, but I live in Southern California. I see the trouble we’ve got first hand. While I may have empathy for Gustave, it doesn’t change that I think he’s wrong to expect us to give him a pass.

I agree. He could have easily researched the matter before getting married. Instead he chose to ignore her illegal status, thinking it would be easily solved later on. And now he’s upset that it’s not as easy as he hoped.

I married a legal immigrant to this country so I don’t have much sympathy for him. If I had discovered that she was illegal before marrying her, then I sure as hell would have at least looked into it before tying the knot. I feel bad that he’s gotten himself into this situation but it’s not like he didn’t know beforehand.

That looks like an excellent compromise bill. I’m sure Bush would sign it, will the House go along with it?
Good luck Gustave.

Jim

Beats me. And frankly, I’d prefer if the monetary penalties weren’t quite so stiff. Even a thousand bucks is gonna be difficult for some of these folks to come up with. They are, after all, working some pretty crappy low-paying jobs. And arugably they’ve added far more than that to the national economy already. Let pay the fine on some kind of installment plan perhaps thru a payroll deduction. Or deduct it from any refund they’ve got coming when they file their federal income tax returns. Those lump sum payments are gonna be a killer.

I imagine there will be aid groups and church groups that will make loans to many of the applicants. In some cases employers might even help. I am happy to see ‘the learn English’ requirement but the $1000 lump sum will be a hardship. You are correct on that part. Still a lot better than throw them all out and build a wall with machine gun nests {hyperbole, I know no one in office suggested this}

Jim

He’s absolutely right. Blind adherence to the law should always override any sort of human consideration.

:rolleyes:

So you wouldn’t have married your wife if she was illegal? The main problem that Gustave has is that he may have received some bad legal advice. Having gone through the process myself with my “legal immigrant” wife who was here on a student visa when we met and married, I can sympathise with Gustave. The process is rather byzantine and takes a long time. The forms are not easily understood. Our process was probably simpler than Gustave’s process and even then it was complicated and nerve wracking even though my wife and I had a very good attorney who did most of the work and who advised us every step of the way.

I’m not saying I automatically wouldn’t have gotten married but I would have at least researched it beforehand. He assumed that everything would be dandy if he married an illegal immigrant and now he’s crying foul. I actually did look into things before I was married because my wife is from a country in the ‘Axis of Evil.’ I wanted to know if I had to do anything special or if there would be any problems because of that. Turns out, there wasn’t anything out of the ordinary I had to do so I was happy.

Man Gustave, I really feel for you.

Not because of your situation; time and a consultation with a lawyer will take care of that.

I feel for you because after you get her into the process, you and your wife will be ready to kill someone when dealing with USCIS. They’re a bunch of fucking idiots, and thier thinking is right along the lines of what’s bugging you now.

If there is a less competent group of government employees out there, I don’t know who they could be.

Good luck all around.