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Old 08-11-2006, 02:30 PM
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Shit, just say the fucking word!

While this is somewhat of a personal pet peeve, it's not something that gets me that worked up (the thread title may sound like it has a touch of vitriol, but it's really just for effect and to get the point across), and my intention here isn't to single out any one poster in particular, so I'm not putting this in the pit, nor linking to an example. Instead, I'll put it here and phrase it in the form of a question: if you do this, why do you do this?

Here's what I'm talking about: you don't have to hang out here on the SDMB for very long to see that there's no problem with using "bad" words. You can say "shit", "fuck", "asshole", "cunt", etc., to your heart's content (as long as it's not part of a personal insult outside the pit, of course). This board is hardly the church bulletin. But still, I notice a bunch of people self-censoring themselves. Typing "sh!t", "f***", "a*&$!", "c___". Why? It should be pretty clear if you've spent more than a few minutes pursuing the boards, that you're not going to be offending any delicate sensibilities here. And if you yourself have a moral or other reason for not wanting to type out a word you consider offensive... why bother using the word at all? Surely you can find a "clean" word substitute, or just avoid it altogether?

I would think that it takes more thought and effort to type out "f&@#!" than it does "fuck", so it would seem to be a conscious choice.

So, if you do this... what makes you do it?

By the way, I do understand that some people have a very specific, religious reason for not writing out the word "god"... that's not what I'm talking about here.
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:33 PM
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Couldn't agree more.

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The practice of hinting by single letters those expletives with which profane and violent people are wont to garnish their discourse, strikes me as a proceeding which, however well meant, is weak and futile. I cannot tell what good it does - what feeling it spares - what horror it conceals.
(Found that one in this style guide)
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:40 PM
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Another board I frequent has a prudery filter which converts "piss" and "pissed" to "****" and "******", which I think does more harm than good, because whenever I see the asterisks, I translate it into something much more profane. The filter, however, allows "ass" to pass... probably because it's part of more acceptable words like, well, pass. So, you get sentences like "I'm really ****** that this ass was calling me a ..."
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:51 PM
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It's just a tic, like any other. And for some people, it's a way to stretch out the underused keys on the keyboard. %^&*!&&#@*!! Ah! That felt good.
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:56 PM
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I have been known to use "effing" and related variants--but not because I don't want to say fuck. Because I often like the way the "censored" version sounds better in the sentence. I have no qualms about swearing, but there are occasions when the clean version strikes me as just plain funnier, in context.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:04 PM
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There is also the factor to consider that there might be people reading who are offended, or a little put-out about gratuitous language, and the poster might just want them to read the post as well. Besides, as my mother always said, swearing is a sign of an under-developed vocabulary.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:13 PM
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Sometimes, when I'm at work, I try to avoid typing out "bad words" just in case they have any software installed to spy on what I'm typing. I'll already be in enough trouble for browsing the internet on the job, I don't want to add to it or hurry it up by using some bizarre combination of keystrokes that causes my immediate dismissal.

Also, there are times when I am typing that clients can see my computer screen. They are more likely to be offended and mention my actions to my employer if they spy me blatantly using dirty words.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:21 PM
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There is also the factor to consider that there might be people reading who are offended, or a little put-out about gratuitous language, and the poster might just want them to read the post as well.
Certainly a possible reason why people might do it, but I say that's over-thinking your audience. If you're communicating in a place where you know (from prior examples) that such language is accepted, it seems odd to me to self-censor on the possibility that someone might be offended. Again, unless you're directly quoting someone and NEED to use that particular word, if you're so worried, if that really is such a big concern, why not just choose another word?

But, this is certainly a reason people might choose to do it, so thank you for offering it.

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Besides, as my mother always said, swearing is a sign of an under-developed vocabulary.
At the risk of offending your mother, I have to strenuously disagree with this. OVERUSE and OVER-RELIANCE on swear words may very well be a sign of an under-developed vocabulary, but the word "fuck" is every bit a legitimate word as "apple", "cat", and "vocabulary" are. Certainly, there's a time, place, and audience for it to be used/avoided in, but when I use the word, I mean for it to have the very meaning and effect it does.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:25 PM
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Sometimes, when I'm at work, I try to avoid typing out "bad words" just in case they have any software installed to spy on what I'm typing. I'll already be in enough trouble for browsing the internet on the job, I don't want to add to it or hurry it up by using some bizarre combination of keystrokes that causes my immediate dismissal.
Ah! Work filters. I'm self-employed, and work out of my own home, so sometimes I forget about things like that. That makes perfect sense. Thank you.
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:39 PM
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I try to avoid it except in the Pit. Never really know who's going to be reading this, and I've had my kids peek over my shoulder while I've been on the boards. It also gets to be a habit sometimes. Work email is screened, gotta watch it around the kids and some coworkers and I personally find it more interesting to try to come up with a vitrolic rant that doesn't use the seven dirty words.

As an aside, I once worked in a garage and heard a mechanic (who had kids) say "mother fucking cock sucking poopyhead son of a bitch!"
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:45 PM
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You Hollywood types sure have dirty mouths.
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Old 08-11-2006, 04:52 PM
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I try to avoid it except in the Pit.
Same here, at least in terms of f*** . Seems like fair play.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:07 PM
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I was just reminded of one of my favorite lines from 'A Fish Called Wanda':

Archie: You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?
Otto: You're the vulgarian you fuck!

Carry on.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:10 PM
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Another board I frequent has a prudery filter which converts "piss" and "pissed" to "****" and "******", which I think does more harm than good, because whenever I see the asterisks, I translate it into something much more profane. The filter, however, allows "ass" to pass... probably because it's part of more acceptable words like, well, pass. So, you get sentences like "I'm really ****** that this ass was calling me a ..."
There is a town in the east of England called Scunthorpe.

On a football board I once contributed to, whenever anyone keyed in Scunthorpe it emerged on the other side as S****horpe.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:50 PM
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I enjoy swear words immensely - not because it's "bad" or "forbidden," but because they're just so damn expressive! When you hear someone shout "FUCK!" you know that they're pissed!

That said, I do try not to RELY on swear words - any more than I try to rely on any other words. I don't like sounding repetative, and if every other word out of my mouth is expletive deleted, it gets old really fast.

Obviously, while I'm drinking this rule goes out the window.

And as someone above mentioned, sometimes the censored version is just that much more amusing. I do like "effing," especially when used in a context where it has to be italicized. It's almost just as expressive as "fuck."

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Old 08-11-2006, 06:00 PM
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There is a town in the east of England called Scunthorpe.

On a football board I once contributed to, whenever anyone keyed in Scunthorpe it emerged on the other side as S****horpe.
I'm tempted to email the admin at a board I frequent, to see if they can set it to censor such obscenities as N**wich

And further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_Problem
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Old 08-11-2006, 06:21 PM
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In October 2004 e-mails advertising the pantomime Dick Whittington sent by a teacher from Norwich in the UK were blocked by school computers due to the use of the word "Dick".
A likely story.

The emails were blocked because they originated in N**wich.
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Old 08-11-2006, 10:33 PM
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There is also the factor to consider that there might be people reading who are offended, or a little put-out about gratuitous language, and the poster might just want them to read the post as well.
Well, my attitude is fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. But even if you're right and there are people as you describe, in what way does typing "f*ck" spare their audience in any way? If "fuck" offends you, then the bowlderized version offends you too, because you know what it really says. It's not even as good a dodge as fake curses like "mother pussbucket" or the once-serious, now goofy "Zounds!" At least those have some philological distance from the origin. But "f*ck" means absolutely nothing other than "fuck, but I'm too polite to actually type it, even though I'm not too polite to use it."

My general rule: anyone who types profanely is fine; anyone who disdains profanity is fine. You make this kind of self-important, weak sister show of censoring yourself, somebody needs to smack you upside your damn fool head.

All of that said, however, there are message boards set up by people with this bizarrely incomplete level of prudishness such that "f*ck" and "sh!t" are acceptable while the actual words are not. (Similarly, there are swearing prohibited boards with unsophisticated software auto-censors and not enough human moderators to enforce the policy.) Therefore, some people might have developed these habits that they cannot now easily break. Again, should be curable by a swift one upside the head.

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Old 08-12-2006, 12:13 AM
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I agree with the OP. Either use the word, or don't. Spare me teh sight of f--- and c*nt and all that crap - if you're going to use the fucking word, use it. If you don't want to, then don't. (Effing, I'm okay with, since that's pretty much become a word in its own right.)

Another bit of self-censorship that I see around here quite often: people refusing to specifically name a business but coyly making it clear who they mean anyway. When people type stuff like "A large office supplies chain whose name rhymes with 'maples'", it gets on my tits for some indefinable reason. If you - for whatever reason - are frightened to name the business, then don't do so. Dropping cutesy hints, though, makes it clear who you're talking about, so you're not really protecting yourself from whatever imaginary danger awaits you if you name the business, right?
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:17 AM
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Unfortunately, I am not allowed to type the full name of my god -- his name is Sh!t -- because it would be blasphemous.

Hail Sh!t.
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:20 AM
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I think the OP is a m***** f***ing c*** sucking, p*** licking, a** eating, goat felching, son a whore who never washed her dripping f*** hole and slept with every sailor from s***-Jersey to Timbuktu! And y'all can f***ing quote me on it!

Ahhhhh, I feel so clean...!

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Old 08-12-2006, 01:23 AM
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...as my mother always said, swearing is a sign of an under-developed vocabulary.
MY mother used to say that it was a sign of a limited vocabulary. I would always point out that my vocabulary was just as large as hers, but it included some words that she would not use. Therefore, my vocabulary was LARGER than hers.

Or to put it another way, who wants a vocabulary that's so fucking limited?
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:51 AM
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Besides, as my mother always said, swearing is a sign of an under-developed vocabulary.
Again, no offense to your mother (I agree with her), but there's no difference between "fuck" and "f***." When a reader sees "f***" they know exactly what it means; typing "f***" is a coy way of getting around profanity-filters but still getting the benefit of swearing.

I'm the admin for another board (much smaller than this one), which has a profanity filter in place. I recently gave a poster a two-week suspension for posting "-uck you" to another poster. Granted, this guy had been asking for it for quite a while (and given his reaction I now wish I'd banned him permanently), but, as I made clear at the time, the point of the profanity filter is not to encourage the use of place-holder characters; it's to discourage the use of profanity. "F***" is profanity as surely as "fuck" is; everyone knows what it means.
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:58 AM
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Depends. In my case, it's largely a matter of word choice.

"Fuck" is, in and of itself, kind of pointless. I prefer the all-caps version, simply because in most of what I write, it's the sort of thing said with some vehemence and volume.

There is also the audience to consider. Many here have told me I should write a book. My sister, who has no idea that you can talk to strangers on the Internet, and would question why one would want to, told me once that "you could write a book if you did something about all those shits and asses." Plainly, the audience on the Dope is considerably more able to deal with profanity than my sister is.

On occasion, "&%$#!" is more expressive than simply saying "fuck" or "shit." Visually, it's more disturbing, more cacophonous to the eye, if you will; if that's the approach I'm going for, then I'll use it.
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Old 08-12-2006, 02:20 AM
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Besides, as my mother always said, swearing is a sign of an under-developed vocabulary.
Yeah? Well, your mother is a ******* ***** ***** in a *** *******-*** ******* upside her ****** **** ***** *** ***** **** *** with both ***** ****-******* *****-****** ******-***** ******-***** ***** until her **** ***** ***** ****** ***** ***** ****** ***** ***** ***** ****!

And so's your old man!
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Old 08-12-2006, 02:54 AM
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I was just reminded of one of my favorite lines from 'A Fish Called Wanda':

Archie: You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?
Otto: You're the vulgarian you fuck!

Carry on.

I've always felt the only good response to Archie would've been:

"There's a Vulgary?"

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Old 08-12-2006, 02:57 AM
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There is a town in the east of England called Scunthorpe.

On a football board I once contributed to, whenever anyone keyed in Scunthorpe it emerged on the other side as S****horpe.

A mild hijack:

I've been on vacation this week and dug out old videos of UK's Cracker.

They use 'Scunthorpe' as a toast often. Is it b/c of this or is it something else?

Thanks

(Dang, I loved that show.)
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Old 08-12-2006, 03:09 AM
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What about the word nigger?

Not as in me personally calling some one a nigger but rather to say if if I where pitting a bigot I kept overhearing at a local restaurant?

I get the OP's point, it's just that some words are a little too offensive even for me to write.

I even feel a tad bit guilty right now.
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Old 08-12-2006, 12:27 PM
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Well, yeah, because I don't know about you but when I read I hear it in my head, and I REALLY don't like hearing that word.

I don't think I do it here, but often I change one or two letters of a questionable word (like cl!toris or @ss) when typing on my blog (or commenting on someone else's) because the comments and posts are searchable and I don't want a lot of weird traffic checking out my adorable dogs. Of course, I'm still surprised by what search phrases bring people to my blog, but its public in the first place, and not really that big a deal. I just do it to do what little I can to cut it down. So it may be habit for them, or their own little kink, who knows?
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:57 AM
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I consider myself fortunate to inhabit a universe in which clitoris and ass are not questionable words.
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Old 08-14-2006, 12:50 PM
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The words themselves are in this case I cited only questionable in the context of search queries which bring people to my site. Perhaps the combination of words. Since I can't know what freaky combination is going to come out next, I take the precaution of changing those "keywords" which have a higher incidence of freakdom.

I thought I made that pretty clear, but I forgot about kneejerk reactions. I don' think we live in different universes, but maybe I just think a little more carefully about the words I choose to use, their repercussions and connotations beyond the instant of use. I certainly don't like the way it looks, but I'd rather do that than bring unwelcome traffic.

Think about the search strings which would incorporate those words you might be able to understand why I don't want someone who searched for "dog clitoris" anywhere near my blog or my friends' blogs.

Search results often don't bring up exact matches and if your blog has a post about say, sexual health, and another post about say, a day at the beach with your dog, google may parse the results like: "The size of the clitoris varies...the dog had so much fun with her new toy..." and bring a complete freak to my site.

Like I said, I'm surprised by the endless combinations of creepiness in search strings, and it's only a little thing I can do. A big thing would be not to blog at all. Or make it private, but then there's a huge, non-dogbothering population I'd miss out on.
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Old 08-14-2006, 02:38 PM
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There is a town in the east of England called Scunthorpe.

On a football board I once contributed to, whenever anyone keyed in Scunthorpe it emerged on the other side as S****horpe.
Does Middlesex have a football team? - Oh hold on - sex is ok, I'd never seen the cunt in Scunthorpe until now, I mean it's even pronounced Scun thorpe for fuck's sake!
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:03 PM
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I agree with the OP, at least in the context of this board, which doesn't have a stupid profanity filter in place. Saw one in the Pit just today that made my bite my tongue to keep from commenting on it within the thread in question. If you need to censor the word, unless you're quoting someone, just don't use the damn word. There are plenty of perfectly acceptable substitutes that don't involve the top row of the number keys. I swear, I really do know what you mean when you type bullsh!t instead of bullshit and f@ck instead of fuck, but at least with the correct spellings of the words, I don't have to translate or wonder what you've been doing on this board for the last five years to not notice what words are acceptable.
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