In this thread on the news report announcing that more studies have confirmed that circumcision cuts the risk of HIV by 60%, Alex_Dubinsky shows up and announces
To say that this comment is indicative of Alex_Dubinsky having some “issues” is like saying that an illuminated sign on the Moon lit by several million googol watt bulbs that reads, “I’m insecure about my penis.” is kind of bright.
Of, course, this isn’t the only comment he has on the matter. Nope. Next, AD compares male circumcision to female circumcision.
Never mind that female circumcision, even allowing for retaining of the clitoris, has decidely negative effects for women and that the vaginal lips serve a different function than the foreskin. Nope, cutting one part of the male anatomy is identical to cutting an entirely different part of female anatomy.
Naturally, AD has proof of this in the form of rigorously performed scientific studies, that used strict controls and was performed by the finest scientific minds in the world.
Damn, that’s gonna be tough to beat. I mean it was in a movie, and as we all well know, movies are a better indicator of how things are, than real life is. After all, the reason that at the age of 12 I was unable to master the Force and construct my own lightsabre, was because I’m an idiot and not that Star Wars is fiction. Yup, that’s it exactly.
After having a couple of posters question his beliefs and suggest that the thread isn’t the most appropriate place for such a discussion AD responds with
Apparently, this is an ethical issue, and not a medical one. So, let’s discuss the ethics of a few centimeters of skin versus the lives of millions of people. At present, in Africa alone there are an estimated 25 million people infected with HIV, it is further estimated that 2.7 million people in Africa become infected with HIV every year. Cite. Note that my source does not breakdown how those people become infected with HIV, and while many of them no doubt have become infected due to risky sexual behavior and IV drug use, it is certain that a goodly number of them became infected due to things such as rape and being born by an HIV+ mother. You know, rape is bad enough as it is, but to get AIDS from it as well, is more than adding insult to injury, it is probably one of the worst things imaginable. Especially when you’re in a part of the world where proper medical care can be next to nonexistant. According to AD’s thinking, however, all of this pales in comparison to having a few centimeters of skin removed from someone’s “pesky.”
Mind you, I’m a bit biased in my thinking. Not only because I’m snipped, but because in 1993 I watched my best friend die from the horror that is AIDS. Actually, “horror” is putting it mildly. Until you’ve seen someone waste away and die from AIDS, you have no idea how bad it can be. None whatsoever. I’ve seen people die from cancer, heart disease, smoking, suicide and a host of other ailments, and ain’t none of them as bad as AIDS. AIDS is all those deaths wrapped up in a nice big ball, cubed and then cubed again. And that’s in a developed nation, where people, like my friend, have access to some of the finest medical care in the world (My friend was treated by the doctors at Vanderbilt Hospital, a world class medical facility, and was given superb care.). Can you imagine what it must be like to become infected with HIV in a part of the world where there’s effectively no medical care? Where even basic sanitary measures (clean water, for example) are all but impossible? I shudder to even think about it.
Naturally, AD’s anti-circumcision stance has a rational basis to it, one that outweighs the potential of some 1.6 million lives being saved every year.
IOW, it numbs your dick and your partner suffers from you having pre-mature ejaculation. So, let’s see here, 1.6 million lives vs. a numb dick and a lousy lay. Hmm, that’s a tough choice. I mean, on the one hand, we have the lives of a lot of people, on the other hand, we have the possibility of not being able to feel as much and firing off a round too early. How will we ever decide which one is more important?
Perhaps it would help if we knew just how much pleasure is lost by losing a couple of centimeters of skin from an organ that’s usually several times the size of the foreskin. (I say “usually,” because there’s probably someone out there who’s stuck with a wiennie that’s smaller than the average foreskin. Wouldn’t you just hate to be someone like that, AD? Why, I bet that, unlike you and I, they’d have just all kinds of issues about their naughty bits and just be totally unable to engage in a rational discussion about all things penis.)
Admittedly, the results of this will probably be subjective, since I don’t think anyone’s done a study where they put an uncircumcised male in a scanner, taken images of brain activity while they’re orgasiming, then circumcised the male and redone the test afterwards. Fortunately, in the original thread, a couple of posters who were circumcised later on in life can provide us with some examples.
Wow, both those accounts sound pretty bad, don’t they? Especially when compared to what happens to someone who becomes infected with HIV and is unable obtain proper medical treatment (as the majority of HIV+ in Africa is). After all, what’s dying slowly, and painfully from cancer, dementia, fungal infections, viral infections, and who know’s what else (and all at once) when compared to lasting a bit too long during sex, increased penile sensitivity after sex and a postive change in hygene? Absolutely nothing, of course.
Admittedly, I can’t comment on this issue from personal experience, since I was snipped at birth. My best sexual experiences have involved me calling a halt to the proceedings since I was in danger of passing out from sensory overload. Based on what AD’s said, then those experiences for me would have been so much more powerful that I would have been unable to maintain that little section of my mind which said, “Hey, Tuck, ya better get her to give you a rest or you’re going to black out.” Now, we all know how fond women are of guys who roll over and go to sleep immediately after sex, can you imagine the kinds of praise they’d heap on a guy who “dropped out” during sex? Why, I’d bet you’d be the most popular dick in town! Not only that, but with a little effort, I bet that you’d be able to recreate that same level of sensation while jerking off! Can you imagine that? Passing out every time you jerked off! And since you’d go out before you got your nut, you’d not be bothered by any of that annoying “sexual frustration” which bothers cut males such as myself. Yup, AD’s clearly got a firm grasp on the situation, and knows exactly what’s important: a few centimeters of skin.
AD, I’d like to say that you are a festering fool, who’s ignorance, insecurity about your sexual ability and your excessively infantile castration fears are not merely irrational, but are indicative of a deep seated psychosis such that you are, in fact, a psychopathical monster. I’d like to say that, but I won’t, because that really doesn’t even begin to describe how far off the deep end you are. Anyone who would put a few centimeters of skin ahead of even one life is vile, to chose those same centimeters of skin over the lives of millions of people is so evil that even Godwinizing them doesn’t due justice to the level evil that they are.
Until you have watched someone die of AIDS (as I have), and until you’ve spent time in Africa and seen how bad AIDS is there, and how nonexistant medical care can be, you have no right, none whatsoever, to declare that a potential method for reducing the chances of even one person from becoming infected is verboten and wrong. Can you grasp that? Can you understand that there are things more important in life that a few lousy centimeters of skin that 99.99999% of the population will never miss? Wrap your mind around that, would you? If you can’t, then think of this: If someone you love (assuming you’re capable of feeling that emotion) were in danger of dying and the only way you could save them would involve the amputation of all your limbs, would you do it? If you even have to stop and think about it for a second, if your answer is not an automatic, “Yes, of course!” then your problems are greater than you can even imagine. Losing your foreskin is nothing compared to losing your life. Not even close.
