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Old 10-20-2006, 01:30 PM
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Battlestar Galactica 3.4 - "Exodus, Part Two" (spoilers)

All of this has had spoilers before, and all of this will have spoilers again.

Spoiler policy: If it's aired, or if it's simply speculation, no need for a spoiler box. If it's from a future episode as revealed in interviews or by other means, or if it's speculation based on same, put it in a spoiler box, and provide a label as to the general nature of the spoiler so we can decide individually whether or not we want to spoil ourselves (e.g., "Saved by the Bell actor cast as Imperious Leader...").

Where we're at:

Lee Adama needs to decide where he stands on his father's potentially suicidal rescue run.

Saul Tigh is paradoxically more miserable and more joyfully alive than he's been in a long, long time.

Ellen Tigh loves him well but not at all wisely.

Brother Cavil's kvetching suggests that all may not be well with the Cylon download.

Not to mention the possibility that the Cylon skin jobs are fracturing into different philosophical camps.

One of the Number Threes (D'Anna) knows about Baby Poptart.

Amanda Plummer is her own particular brand of kooky hot.

Anders is a much more interesting character when Starbuck isn't around.

And speaking of whom, what does she really think about her own possible spawn?

Oh, and Baltar is skidding ever closer to the edge of total insanity. Woo hoo!

Tonight at 9pm.
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:02 PM
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I just checked the TV listings and it looks like we have two hours again tonight! That makes me all tingly inside, in a good way.

I don't know whether to love or hate all the people who got me to catch up on Battlestar over the summer - I hate that I'm staying home on a Friday night, but I've never been so excited about staying home on a Friday night.
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:04 PM
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Meant to put this at the end of the last post

- or are they just teasing me and showing the same thing back to back? Either way I'm excited after the setup that was last week's.
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:06 PM
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Can we get a clarification about spoiler policy for web content? Last week there was a short clip of "bonus content" on the web. A password was announced during the episode, and then you could use the password to view the video. Most of the video was just commentary from actors and short clips from the episode--but there was some apparrently new canon material shown at the very end, which appears likely to resurface in tonight's episode. I assumed it was spoiler-able last week, but now I don't know if I have to spoiler that info in this thread still--and there may be more "bonus content" after tonight's episode....
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:09 PM
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Last week, they showed the same episode twice on Friday night, with another program sandwhiched between showings. I'm all for two hours of Galaticy Goodness* if we get it, though.

*shamelessly stolen from someone in one of the spoiler threads.
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:10 PM
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My system shows Sci-fi playing the same episode, back-to-back...
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:23 PM
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Hah? Two hours or one hour? Double the awesomeness would be...awesome. In other new, I'm full of steak.
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:28 PM
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It's one hour, shown twice, according to the SciFi website.
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:30 PM
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News. News. Because the steak has clogged my brain. But why would they show the same show twice? This is highly irregular.
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:31 PM
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My bad on that... it's pretty stupid, though. I understand the re-airing a few hours later as they usually do (to run during PST prime), but back to back? That's just tease-y.

Either way, T minus four and a half hours!
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:32 PM
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I predict that Gaius Baltar will almost, but not quite, cry.

Seriously, they must have a PA whose sole job is to keep James Callis hydrated.
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:39 PM
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Can we get a clarification about spoiler policy for web content?
Good question. Let's say those things are "information from future episodes" so they go into spoiler boxes, with an accompanying label to the effect of "from scifi.com's official online sneak preview video, information about what happens to Dualla over the next two weeks" or whatever.

Re the teary-eyed Baltar, speaking as someone with an acting background, I've noticed that Mr. Callis occasionally resorts to the actorly trick of "not blinking for long periods" in order to get those quivering gleams on his eyelids. It's not exactly cheating, I guess, if the audience buys it, but if you know the technique it's kind of hard not to notice.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:00 PM
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Re the teary-eyed Baltar, speaking as someone with an acting background, I've noticed that Mr. Callis occasionally resorts to the actorly trick of "not blinking for long periods" in order to get those quivering gleams on his eyelids. It's not exactly cheating, I guess, if the audience buys it, but if you know the technique it's kind of hard not to notice.
Never really thought about it. I figured you're either really good at crying whenever you want or you pluck a nose-hair right before the scene or someone off camera slowly jabs you with a needle or they have special tearing-up eye drops or something. The not-blinking trick makes sense though. Now that I'm onto it, I'll be watching for it too.

Mostly what I want to know; is Chamalla-root snorting Oracle real or not?

Is knee-capped D'Anna going to off herself and get a new body or walk around on crutches for awhile?
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:19 PM
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Is knee-capped D'Anna going to off herself and get a new body or walk around on crutches for awhile?
An interesting question. How much can you injure them that they must put up with constant pain, but not enough to deal with the agony of resurrection?
Cool.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
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I think the Chamalla-root snorting Oracle is a real entity of some sort--possibly a sleeper cylon. As to whether she has actual powers of prophecy--I dunno. She's either an excellent cold reading con, a cylon agent, a human operative, or an actual prophet. Really don't think she's another "imaginary friend" character--two of those in one series is quite enough.

I'm expecting the big break out to have Lee/Pegasus save the day when all looks grim for Adama/Galactica....
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:40 PM
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Another quick question. If D'Anna decides she doesn't want to resurrect just yet, is Doc Cottle going to fix her up? Is he the only doctor on the whole planet, Cylon or otherwise? Why did Doc Cottle have Cylon blood on him too. Was is just splatter, or is he - as every good doctor should - providing care to everyone, without regard to species, race, political or religious affiliation, sexual orientation or make & model number?
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:56 PM
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Tonight at 9pm.
...8 central.
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:16 PM
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...8 central.
8 is Sharon/Boomer, actually. We don't know what number the main brain is yet.
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:20 PM
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I think the Chamalla-root snorting Oracle is a real entity of some sort--possibly a sleeper cylon. As to whether she has actual powers of prophecy--I dunno. She's either an excellent cold reading con, a cylon agent, a human operative, or an actual prophet. Really don't think she's another "imaginary friend" character--two of those in one series is quite enough.

I'm expecting the big break out to have Lee/Pegasus save the day when all looks grim for Adama/Galactica....
These are two biggies for me, in terms of speculation. The previews at the end of the last episode suggest Lee will indeed swoop in...but to save the day? Probably. This show seems averse to killing off principals who aren't actively looking for another job.

As for the prophet: My guess is she's the real deal. I want her to be a Cylon sleeper, but she just knows too damn much to be either that or an uncanny cold reader.

My expectations for this episode are pretty low. I think we're going to have some pretty cool space combat and some decent suspense related to the whole rescue, some good Orange Fireball entertainment. It'll be fun as long as you don't think about it too hard, which I'm priming myself to avoid doing so as to not be annoyed by the low standards set for the series thus far.

My hope is in future episides. This, and the prior three, were a hurried cleanup job, and maybe once they've fled New Vichy Bagdad and get back into space again, the tatters of earlier narrative threads left tangled and forgotten, things will improve. I'm looking forward to the new ideas that seem likely to come. The old ones are mostly played out, or were squandered.
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:33 PM
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More thoughts on Lee: There's another reason they aren't going to kill him any time soon: He and Kara haven't done the nasty yet. At the end of last season, they lobbed a pretty big matzo ball out there, with Kara begging for antibiotics for Anders, and Lee uninclined to even pick up the phone if Capt. Thrace was on the other end. It seems pretty clear there's some bad blood between Lee and Kara that goes beyond her tactless behavior during her reuinion with Anders. Lee's especially mad because, despite the fact she did something truly unforgiveable, he's probably been beating it like it owes him money, instead of getting busy with his wife, and it's Kara he's thinking about. Sexual tension gets eyeballs. I expect the writers to honor (or, perhaps, pander to) that.
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:41 PM
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8 is Sharon/Boomer, actually. We don't know what number the main brain is yet.
Do I have to link to that thread about 30cm fresh water sting rays mysteriously appearing in folks toilets?
Enough with the puns, already.

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Old 10-20-2006, 05:47 PM
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One more thought on Lee: He can't bite it very soon, otherwise why have him wear the fat-suit? That has to slowly disappear as he works his way back into shape as a metaphor for something or another. Otherwise there is no reason for it. So Lee is safe for awhile, and, by extension, so is Pegasus.
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:19 PM
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News. News. Because the steak has clogged my brain. But why would they show the same show twice? This is highly irregular.
Don't they often do that? I know it's S.O.P. on FX for shows like The Shield and Nip/Tuck, etc. I usually set my DVR to record a few extra minutes, and I seem to remember getting the begining of the show again in the last few minutes of the recording pertty regularly. Plus they repeat the thing about a million times during the week.
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:39 PM
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One more thought on Lee: He can't bite it very soon, otherwise why have him wear the fat-suit? That has to slowly disappear as he works his way back into shape as a metaphor for something or another. Otherwise there is no reason for it. So Lee is safe for awhile, and, by extension, so is Pegasus.
I was thinking he'd do it in a montage, just before going to rescue the Galactica. All to the tune of "You're the best" from Karate Kid.
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:16 PM
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Should we start a dead pool for Ellen? I'm thinking she's not going to survive the escape. If Tigh doesn't do it, she may conveniently catch a round in a firefight....
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:20 PM
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Should we start a dead pool for Ellen? I'm thinking she's not going to survive the escape. If Tigh doesn't do it, she may conveniently catch a round in a firefight....
...and wake up in a tub of goo... bwa, ha, ha!
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:20 PM
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I don't think we'll see the soothsayer again, or will even know if she's real or not. She was just a plot device to get the Cylons to believe the humans have a Baby of Mass Destruction, and now that's been accomplished. They had to find out somehow, and this was an especially artistic way of advancing that plot point.
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:29 PM
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...and wake up in a tub of goo... bwa, ha, ha!
Exellent possibility, although I think it would suck.

I think there will be no mass slaughter of the Vichy. Human lives are too few and the gene pool too small to kill anyone. Slavery or indentured servitude, perhaps. Some incaraction or limit of mobility and rights.
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:30 PM
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I don't think we'll see the soothsayer again, or will even know if she's real or not. She was just a plot device to get the Cylons to believe the humans have a Baby of Mass Destruction, and now that's been accomplished. They had to find out somehow, and this was an especially artistic way of advancing that plot point.
Dada, maybe.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
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Exellent possibility, although I think it would suck.
It would suck because it would be contrary to everything we've learned about Cylon skin jobs. Ellen's been around too long to be a Cylon.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:21 PM
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Ellen's been around too long to be a Cylon.
Looks like we're gonna find out.
Dammit.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:25 PM
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Holy shit!!1 Galactica is actually going to land!
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:30 PM
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:36 PM
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Leave the little monster behind Kara, she's not your daughter.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:43 PM
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One more thought on Lee: He can't bite it very soon, otherwise why have him wear the fat-suit? That has to slowly disappear as he works his way back into shape as a metaphor for something or another. Otherwise there is no reason for it. So Lee is safe for awhile, and, by extension, so is Pegasus.
Spoiler for this episode as of 40minutes in:
SPOILER:
Oops. Bad time to make one half of that prediction.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:44 PM
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Nooooo they blew it up.

Oh well, we knew it had to go sometime, taking out three basestars is a fitting funeral guard for a good ship.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:47 PM
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Hey goofball, it's not over yet...
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:48 PM
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:49 PM
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Frakkin' *AMAZING* episode this week....

Galactica re-entering NC's atmosphere, and launching vipers while doing it, then performing an *ATMOSPHERIC JUMP!*

Vipers providing A/G air support roles, taking out Centurion gunnery posts

the Pegasus just frakkin' *UNLOADING* on the basestars, and dying with honor, taking out multiple Basestars in her dying moments...

Qapla! Pegasus, you have died with Honor, dying in battle and saving your people, if Sto-Vo-Kor has a place for warships, you are among the most elite, highly honored ships

Mombuck *STILL* needs to introduce Kasey to "Mr. Airlock"

oh FRAK, Balty and Six have the Pop-Tart, now Xenabot's got her....
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:51 PM
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:53 PM
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Ahhh... Leo's a crafty ol' Toaster, so Kasey *was* human after all, i guess she won't need to be introduced to Mr. Airlock....
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:53 PM
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but when it is...

SPOILER:
holy crap, that was a short prophecy about Hera: made in one episode, fulfilled in the next

And THANK GOODNESS about Kara's "child" NEVER trust that asshole!
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:55 PM
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:58 PM
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Well, some of that sucked and some of it didn't.
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:00 PM
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Roslin looks happy back in her chair. Is Adama simply going to install her as President? It looks like Tigh's gonna arrange a shitload of lynchings.
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:01 PM
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I'm just amazed at how much content they crammed into the four episodes we've seen so far. What an awesome story arc, and I feel like all the characters have been given a fresh slate.
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:03 PM
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Qapla! Pegasus, you have died with Honor, dying in battle and saving your people, if Sto-Vo-Kor has a place for warships, you are among the most elite, highly honored ships
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But there is now one Battlestar in the universe.
And how many basestars?
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:08 PM
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That was pretty damn sweet.

It was the easy way out with the not-Kara-kid, but I think it was probably the right way to do it.

Really curious as to what happens next... do we go back to "we need X resource! let's send out Boomer and have her miraculously find it!" of the first season before they were really comfortable as a series? Do we do more of the find-Earth-mysticism? Or will (hopefully) the writers pull out something new and original? Mmmmm, wantmore.

(random other question: how will they fit in Anders, Samuel T. in a non-guerilla-warfare mode? we know he's capable and a leader-type, but short of pulling a history of flight training out of his ass, what's he going to be doing on Galactica?)
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:10 PM
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In retrospect you sort of knew that Pegasus was going to bite it. In many ways, this series is mirroring the major points of the old series. Pegasus appears and then is destroyed. Plus Baltar is now going to jet around the universe with the Cylons, just like Count Baltar did (though for different reasons).
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:17 PM
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I'm betting that Anders is given rank.
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